Diamondbacks made a “light” offer to Bumgarner

[AZCrazy]

Where do you like Marte playing, if not 2nd base? CF full time?

 

[1Sun]

Where do you like Marte playing, if not 2nd base? CF full time?

I prefer Marte at second base, but I understand if management for some reason keeps him at CF, as long as they don't keep moving him back and forth. I believe his body breaking down was more a result of the switch back and forth than just playing CF.

 

[BC867]

I prefer Marte at second base, but I understand if management for some reason keeps him at CF, as long as they don't keep moving him back and forth. I believe his body breaking down was more a result of the switch back and forth than just playing CF.

I absolutely agree! Especially during games. One time he made another
switch to SS during the game, because he is our backup there as well.
I think some of the outfielders were also switched twice during games.

Flexibility is one thing. A manager obsessed with looking busy is
something else. Or one who caters to his players and can't define
the difference between a starter and a bench player. Disorganized!

 

[1Sun]

I absolutely agree! Especially during games. One time he made another
switch to SS during the game, because he is our backup there as well.
I think some of the outfielders were also switched twice during games.

Flexibility is one thing. A manager obsessed with looking busy is
something else. Or one who caters to his players and can't define
the difference between a starter and a bench player. Disorganized!

The strain on the body, and which parts of the body take that strain, is different among the positions. I believe that the switch back and forth exacerbated that...kind of like not warming up properly before certain physical activity.

 

[GatorAZ]

I’m starting to come around on this because quality innings eaters are becoming more and more valuable (and rare). I always thought Madbum’s mechanics might be potentially troublesome on the shoulder but reading some stuff from Giants SB Nation his delivery is pretty clean on the shoulder/elbow.

I’m sure we keep Ray at this point because Gallen and Young are due for regression and Weaver will be on an innings plan.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[1Sun]

Brings the same mentality as Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling did, even if he no longer has the same physical tools...

 

[Ronin]

I’m curious to see how being injured the previous two years hurt his performance on the mound.

 

[GatorAZ]

Brings the same mentality as Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling did, even if he no longer has the same physical tools...

Randy and Curt (moreso RJ) were unreal into their mid-30’s. So was Clemens.. Guys back then were a different breed.

 

[BC867]

I took a look at the quantity of total MLB complete games, season by season, from 2019 back to 1951.

This is a 3-part post.

The second part appears in the next post. And a recap by groupings of consecutive years follows that.

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[BC867]

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[BC867]

Here is a recap from the previous two posts for MLB complete games by various groupings.

2019 - 45
2018 - 42
2017 - 59
2016 - 83

2015 back to 2004......150 - 104
2003 back to 1999......237 - 199
1998 back to 1994......302 - 255
1993 back to 1984......632 - 366
1983 back to 1979......913 - 734
1978 back to 1971....1089 - 907
1970 back to 1951......982 - 710

From a high of 1089 in 1974 to a low of 42 in 2018 over the past 69 seasons.

It jumped up in 1971, then began a steady decline beginning in 1991.

The expansion years were 1962 & '63, '69, '77, '93 and '98.

I remember the first "closer" in 1950 -- Jim Konstanty of the Phillies.
Hoyt Wilhelm on the Giants in 1951. Joe Black on the Dodgers in 1952.

As far as I know, before that starting pitchers were expected to finish their games.

So what are the reasons for the change from the 1970's to 2018-2019?

Greater distance between teams, possibly offset by streamlined travel and hotels?

Or is a drop from 1,089 to 42 complete games over a season by design?

By Major League baseball? By the Players Union? By the managers and pitching coaches?

By saber metrics?

Your thoughts?

 

[AZ Native]

I’m curious to see how being injured the previous two years hurt his performance on the mound.

Randy and Curt (moreso RJ) were unreal into their mid-30’s. So was Clemens.. Guys back then were a different breed.

It will be interesting to see how responds here after his 2 "freak" injuries. He seems old school too and could rebound here. Although I don't see anyone doing what RJ did: 1126 K's prior to age 30 and 3749 K's after age 29. Madbum has that spirit and edge in his play.

 

[WildBB]

907 CG's as a low in the 70's!! SP's today would fall apart. Days of 250+ IP pretty much gone by the wayside. Verlander tops with 223.

It's a different pitching style now and possibly more hitter friendly BallParks league wide.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2019-pitching-leaders.shtml

 

[GatorAZ]

It will be interesting to see how responds here after his 2 "freak" injuries. He seems old school too and could rebound here. Although I don't see anyone doing what RJ did: 1126 K's prior to age 30 and 3749 K's after age 29. Madbum has that spirit and edge in his play.

Randy has referred to his younger self as a thrower not a pitcher. Once he refined his craft it was over for the league.

 

[AZ Native]

And Randy said this about Nolan Ryan’s advice on his mechanics: Lots of people have tried working with me and they were all helpful, but it was the one thing that you taught me about landing on the ball of my foot as opposed to landing on the heel of my foot that has helped me the most. I was always throwing the ball hard, but I was never consistent with my mechanics early on.

 

[BC867]

And Randy said this about Nolan Ryan’s advice on his mechanics: Lots of people have tried working with me and they were all helpful, but it was the one thing that you taught me about landing on the ball of my foot as opposed to landing on the heel of my foot that has helped me the most. I was always throwing the ball hard, but I was never consistent with my mechanics early on.

Wow! I just simulated throwing a pitch from a windup and I landed pretty flat, ready to field a comebacker.

I wonder how many pitchers ever thought about landing on the ball of your foot? You'd think that, once
the pitch is thrown, what does it matter how you land. But it does seem logical in terms of form while
you are delivering the pitch.

Just as a batter's follow-through on his swing. Yup, consistency in mechanics.

 

[AZCB34]

Here is a recap from the previous two posts for MLB complete games by various groupings.

2019 - 45
2018 - 42
2017 - 59
2016 - 83

2015 back to 2004......150 - 104
2003 back to 1999......237 - 199
1998 back to 1994......302 - 255
1993 back to 1984......632 - 366
1983 back to 1979......913 - 734
1978 back to 1971....1089 - 907
1970 back to 1951......982 - 710

From a high of 1089 in 1974 to a low of 42 in 2018 over the past 69 seasons.

It jumped up in 1971, then began a steady decline beginning in 1991.

The expansion years were 1962 & '63, '69, '77, '93 and '98.

I remember the first "closer" in 1950 -- Jim Konstanty of the Phillies.
Hoyt Wilhelm on the Giants in 1951. Joe Black on the Dodgers in 1952.

As far as I know, before that starting pitchers were expected to finish their games.

So what are the reasons for the change from the 1970's to 2018-2019?

Greater distance between teams, possibly offset by streamlined travel and hotels?

Or is a drop from 1,089 to 42 complete games over a season by design?

By Major League baseball? By the Players Union? By the managers and pitching coaches?

By saber metrics?

Your thoughts?

I don't believe MLB nor the players union had much if any impact on the decrease of complete games. Specialization, as it crept into the league was really the impetus that began to change the pitching landscape. After that, sabermetrics hastened the decline of complete games to where we are now.

Add to that the escalation of salaries and the fear of pitching a huge guaranteed contact into oblivion by overworking pitchers created an environment where managers and front offices then began placing pitch counts on players.

 

[WildBB]

I don't believe MLB nor the players union had much if any impact on the decrease of complete games. Specialization, as it crept into the league was really the impetus that began to change the pitching landscape. After that, sabermetrics hastened the decline of compete games to where we are now.

Add to that the escalation of salaries and the fear of pitching a huge guaranteed contact into oblivion by overworking pitchers created an environment where managers and front offices then began placing pitch counts on players.

That, but in the 70's I remember bunches of times SP's went 8.0 and only then was the closer brought in if they had a lead. Otherwise the CG totals would've been even higher then the 1093 low for the decade. Tug McGraw and Rollie Fingers were the two earliest shutdown CP's that I remember.

Also of note it was exclusively 4 man rotations then. Crazy work loads.

 

[Ronin]

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