Diamondbacks made a “light” offer to Bumgarner

[Ronin]

We lose a 2nd round pick by signing Madbum

 

[82CardsGrad]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

Wow. 5 year / $85 Million. He'll be 31 in August, has pitched over 200 innings 7 times in his 10 year career. Has a career 1.11 WHiP!
Really didn't see this happening. Hazen is such a stud!

 

[Ronin]

Nick Piecoro (@nickpiecoro)
12/15/19, 3:27 PM
To be clear: It's a five-team no-trade list.

 

[Ronin]

Nick Piecoro (@nickpiecoro)
12/15/19, 4:08 PM
Since Bumgarner declined a qualifying offer in November, the Diamondbacks will forfeit their second-round pick to sign him.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Nick Piecoro (@nickpiecoro)
12/15/19, 4:08 PM
Since Bumgarner declined a qualifying offer in November, the Diamondbacks will forfeit their second-round pick to sign him.

That's a no-brainer...

 

[GatorAZ]

Wow. 5 year / $85 Million. He'll be 31 in August, has pitched over 200 innings 7 times in his 10 year career. Has a career 1.11 WHiP!
Really didn't see this happening. Hazen is such a stud!

I’m taking the wait & see approach but it’s hard to argue against Hazen’s decision making.

 

[Lefty]

I guess he really wanted to play for the Diamondbacks. Looking forward to this upcoming season.

 

[BC867]

The Diamondbacks need a legitimate ace, for the same reason that we
obtained Greinke.

It is needed to put us in the category of a contender. As Yogi Berra said,
"Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical."

To paraphrase what 1Sun posted, the only way to keep developing Robbie
Ray as a solid #2 or #3 starter is to have a solid #1.

Mad Bum is certainly not what he once was but, at the top of the rotation,
he is a major step up from what we are. At less cost than Greinke.

I didn't think we had a chance of landing Mad Bum, but I am thrilled that he
will be heading our staff.

Now we need a solid setup and closer. With that, it will so much easier to
develop a dependable rotation of pitchers.

 

[1Sun]

The Diamondbacks need a legitimate ace, for the same reason that we
obtained Greinke.

It is needed to put us in the category of a contender. As Yogi Berra said,
"Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical."

To paraphrase what 1Sun posted, the only way to keep developing Robbie
Ray as a solid #2 or #3 starter is to have a solid #1.

Mad Bum is certainly not what he once was but, at the top of the rotation,
he is a major step up from what we are. At less cost than Greinke.

I didn't think we had a chance of landing Mad Bum, but I am thrilled that he
will be heading our staff.

Now we need a solid setup and closer. With that, it will so much easier to
develop a dependable rotation of pitchers.

We also need either two outfielders or an outfielder and a second baseman.

I have a strange feeling Ray is about to be traded for an outfielder...

 

[BC867]

Like Randy, Mad Bum throws lefty but bats righty. But he has power.

I never understood why any lefty pitcher would want to switch
over and have his pitching arm facing the pitcher's mound.

I'm a lefty and, when I was a kid, they forced me to bat righty
and I had no eye/hand coordination at the plate.

One day when I was about 14, I saw a kid hitting lefty and
thought, "Why am I not doing that?"

So I walked to the plate and, in my very first swing, batting
lefty, lined a double to right-center to drive in the tying run
then score the winning run.

To this day, all these decades later, I have never forgotten
the feeling of the bat solidly hitting the ball. No orgasm has
ever felt quite as good.

 

[Ronin]

https://arizonasports.com/story/2194937/by-the-numbers-bumgarners-career-before-heading-to-arizona/

 

[overseascardfan]

$17M a year ain't bad for a SP like Bumgardner. Now they need a couple of OF's and some bullpen pieces.

 

[sdscard4]

Hes 30 stop saying hes declining. Few bad years but does that mean he will just decline? I know 1sun loves his graph but cmon. 30 yr old Ace for 85 mill hell freaking yes

 

[Ronin]

Keep him away from dirt bikes!
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...crash-that-caused-shoulder-injury-is-terrible

 

[Ronin]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

 

[Ronin]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

 

[gimpy]

I thought he has not been an "Ace" for a year or two? But, hope I'm wrong. I hope he does real well . I have always liked him, even though he was A Giant (just don't like the Giants).

 

[Ronin]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

 

[GatorAZ]

I thought he has not been an "Ace" for a year or two? But, hope I'm wrong. I hope he does real well . I have always liked him, even though he was A Giant (just don't like the Giants).

The word “ace” in MLB is like “superstar” in the NBA. It gets used way too much.

 

[Dback Jon]

The word “ace” in MLB is like “superstar” in the NBA. It gets used way too much.

Max Player!

 

[BC867]

The word “ace” in MLB is like “superstar” in the NBA. It gets used way too much.

They are two different meanings. An NBA superstar takes over at the end of close games,
among other things, potentially in every game. Some teams have no superstars. It also
applies to players who put up outstanding individual stats, whether they lead their team
to victories or not.

An MLB ace excels in two roles, primarily, every 5th game. Hopefully, to get the team off
to a good start in an important series, such as playoffs and to stop losing streaks when it
is his turn to start. Some teams have an undependable ace, but he is still his team's ace.
Such as Robbie Ray by default last season after Greinke was gone.

Greinke was a declining ace. Mad Bum is an ace, possible somewhat declining.

Phoenix has small market teams. We have to settle for hand-me-downs.

I'll say that until DBook earns All Star recognition.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Max Player!

Now they have super max...

The NBA should be sponsored by Kotex.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

 

[GatorAZ]

They are two different meanings. An NBA superstar takes over at the end of close games,
among other things, potentially in every game. Some teams have no superstars. It also
applies to players who put up outstanding individual stats, whether they lead their team
to victories or not.

An MLB ace excels in two roles, primarily, every 5th game. Hopefully, to get the team off
to a good start in an important series, such as playoffs and to stop losing streaks when it
is his turn to start. Some teams have an undependable ace, but he is still his team's ace.
Such as Robbie Ray by default last season after Greinke was gone.

Greinke was a declining ace. Mad Bum is an ace, possible somewhat declining.

Phoenix has small market teams. We have to settle for hand-me-downs.

I'll say that until DBook earns All Star recognition.

My definition of a true ace is a CY candidate. Madbum hasn’t been in the conversation for 3-4 years (finished 4th in 2016). That said we’re not paying him like an ace so we shouldn’t expect one. Just eat innings and give us 2-3 3+ WAR seasons and rake like usual. If he’s a positive clubhouse leader that provides more value.

 

[gimpy]

Well, I don't know about "your" definition of an Ace, but, imo, we are paying him like an Ace.

 

[Ronin]

The D-backs plan to sign their next ace to a five-year, $85 million deal, nearly a third of what other top free agents are getting.

In a way, it’s a more responsible version of signing former pitcher Zack Greinke. In December 2015, Greinke joined Arizona on a six-year, $206.5 million deal. Greinke’s deal worked out to $34 million a year while Bumgarner’s will consume nearly half of that at $17 million a year.

“It’s proportional risk,” Olney said.

https://arizonasports.com/story/2195980/olney-bumgarner-is-a-diamondbacks-sized-cole-strasburg-deal/