Dice signs with Detroit for 30M$!

[slinslin]

Now that is overpaying.

5yrs/30M$.

Prepare for a tough crowd Antonio.

 

[carey]

Hmmm, I guess we really are screwed on big men.

Link?

 

[elindholm]

Do they still have room for Wallace? Did they get word that he's leaving?

If he's healthy, that's an amazing PF/C contingent. Wallace/Wallace/McDyess, with Milicic waiting in the wings.

 

[slinslin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1837761

 

[slinslin]

Do they still have room for Wallace? Did they get word that he's leaving?

If he's healthy, that's an amazing PF/C contingent. Wallace/Wallace/McDyess, with Milicic waiting in the wings.

They don't renounce Wallace's rights and keep their MLE to sign McDyess. Of course they won't match Okur anyway I think.

 

[Dylan]

I was just thinking of an idea where we could help us and Cleveland out at the same time.

If they want to match for Boozer, which they may not want to now due to bad feelings, but if they are desperate, which they also may be, to unload some salary, the following could happen:

Kobe signs with Lakers, so we find out from Clippers that they will match.

We tell Q that the offer will be matched, and we don't make the offer. this is the hard part of the whole deal, as I am not sure we want to get that rep.

We call Cleveland and offer Eisley with our Q-cap room for Z.

They have enough to get Boozer, only lose Z (and his huge contract) and get Eisley's contract that will expire in 2 years and he can help them at the point.

Suns get a center for a year, and then he's a free agent. We get Eisley's contract off the books a year earlier, and we keep Boozer in the East. If Z does well, fits in and is healthy, he could be resigned over the cap or we can just let him go. This could give us 14 mill next summer to work with.

It all depends how desperate Cleveland is to unload salary. It doesn't really cost either team tooo much.

 

[elindholm]

They don't renounce Wallace's rights and keep their MLE to sign McDyess.

Ah, right, thank you.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Do they still have room for Wallace? Did they get word that he's leaving?

If he's healthy, that's an amazing PF/C contingent. Wallace/Wallace/McDyess, with Milicic waiting in the wings.

You know, after seeing what the likes of Brian Cardinal and Okur are getting, it seems like a bargain. With Dice, you know what he is capable of if healthy.

With guys like Cardinal, Blount, and Turkoglu, you know they will NEVER be close to the player a healthy Dice is.

Gutsy move by Detroit.

Right now, I am wishing we had signed Dice instead of Q, and been done with it all.

 

[slinslin]

I take Q over McDyess anytime.

With McDyess you don't know what you are getting either and you are likely to have him miss a lot of games in 5 years.

 

[George O'Brien]

I would say that Dice is the Piston's version of Googs - a guy they picked up because their own guy abandoned them. This is a huge gamble for them in that Dice has not been healthy for very long, but after looking at the Camby deal I'm not sure it makes much difference.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I take Q over McDyess anytime.

With McDyess you don't know what you are getting either and you are likely to have him miss a lot of games in 5 years.

I agree with that. But Q is a RFA, Dice is not. Q will be matched by the Clips, so we don't have him. And we can't sign anyone else either.

 

[slinslin]

Well I doubt the Suns would have offered him that contract if the chance of the Clippers matching is big. And I doubt they signed him thinking they won't match if they get Kobe.

Richardson is not a franchise player like Brand who you are matching even when he calls and begs you not to match.

 

[George O'Brien]

I agree with that. But Q is a RFA, Dice is not. Q will be matched by the Clips, so we don't have him. And we can't sign anyone else either.

We don't really know what would happen if the Suns withdrew their offer before Wednesday. They might "mutually agree" to do it if it is clear that Kobe is going to stay with the Lakers.

 

[elindholm]

They might "mutually agree" to do it if it is clear that Kobe is going to stay with the Lakers.

Why would Richardson agree to that? It would just let the Clippers lowball him.

 

[scotsman13]

We don't really know what would happen if the Suns withdrew their offer before Wednesday. They might "mutually agree" to do it if it is clear that Kobe is going to stay with the Lakers.

if it looks like kobe isnt going to come to the clippers, they may get cheap again. do you know that the clippers just broke the min. ammount of salery that they had to pay out last year even with the signing of brand and magette? i think there is a good change that the clipper wont resign sign him even if kobe doesnt go to them.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I agree with scots here. The Clipps have 2 long term contracts already. When is the last time they had three expensive long term contracts?

 

[Dave64]

If Kobe stays, then the Clips will resign Q, unless there is something weird in the offer sheet that scares the tightwad.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Like what? A $5mil bonus if the team fails to not finish last?

 

[George O'Brien]

Realistically, the Clips have a lot of cap space. So far our reports are that the Q deal is between $42 and $48 million. This would mean a start of about $5.4 million to one starting at about $6.2 million. But even if the Suns offer started at $7 or $7.5 (without the maximum growth rate), it would still leave the Clippers well below the cap.

 

[sly fly]

WTF? Was Dice brought to this Earth to crap on the Phoenix Suns?

Every time this guy gets courted by someone, he just wrinkles up like a 26 year-old virgin and says.... YES!!!

Memo to Dice: Enjoy your stay in Detroit. Protect that patella.

 

[cly2tw]

I was thinking that I would have inserted the following clause into the contract with Q: he gets 3 mil in addition to his salary each season when the average team salary over the season is more than 3 mil below the cap, and Q gets 80% of his salary for the next season upfront on 7/1 following that event. This ought to increase Q's salary to 9 mil the first year with the cheap Clippers instead of the 6 mil with the Suns committed to winning. I don't see the Clippers match!

 

[Bada0Bing]

I was thinking that I would have inserted the following clause into the contract with Q: he gets 3 mil in addition to his salary each season when the average team salary over the season is more than 3 mil below the cap, and Q gets 80% of his salary for the next season upfront on 7/1 following that event. This ought to increase Q's salary to 9 mil the first year with the cheap Clippers instead of the 6 mil with the Suns committed to winning. I don't see the Clippers match!

What salary are you starting at cly2tw? I don't follow your logic? Or are you trying to make a joke?

 

[cly2tw]

What salary are you starting at cly2tw? I don't follow your logic? Or are you trying to make a joke?

Q's starting salary this year is supposedly 5.5-6.2 mil. Say, it's 6mil. If the clippers match and they still have a lot of cap space left, Q'd get 9mil when the reason is over. and so on. If for some reason, we traded Eisley away for cap without hiring anyone new, we'd be paying 3mil more to Q too. It's only unlikely that we'd do that. What's the joke about it?

 

[Bada0Bing]

I follow now. Sorry I usually dont' thikn abotu this stuff thsi lat

 

[sunsfn]

Dylan & George,

You both mention about the suns telling Richardson that we withdraw the offer to him. (under certain circumstances)

The suns made an offer to Richardson to play for them next year, and if the Clips do not match Richardson is a sun.

I have never seen or heard a deal where someone withdrew an offer like this.

I am very sure they can not do this, when Richardson signed the offer sheet, that is the same as signing a regular contract, and there will be no changes to that offer sheet.

Have either of you seen this written somewhere.