Did we really just play for the tie??????

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That’s scared mentality 101.

Naw it’s called smart.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

If the Cardinals lost this game because they went for it in a near impossible situation and gave up a field goal, I would have been very upset.

 

[sdscard4]

You realize we just killed them in the 4th and ot. We do 1/10 in the first half the lions with Matt playing awesome are done right?

 

[Proximo]

I am far more angry about the play calling on 2nd and goal at the 1.

There is no way dj does not get in with three chances from there. That cost us the game.

 

[TJ]

If the Cardinals lost this game because they went for it in a near impossible situation and gave up a field goal, I would have been very upset.

All of the good will Murray and Kliff earned from the 4th quarter and OT would’ve been washed away had Stafford gotten one first down and then Prater hit the GW FG

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Frankie Says Relax

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[Mr. Boldin]

Some people apparently have no idea how math works. That was the most exciting tie I've ever seen and the standings slant in our favor over those 0-1 teams...

 

[GatorAZ]

Frankie Says Relax

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Do we not have a more famous celebrity fan?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Do we not have a more famous celebrity fan?

Blake Says Relax, Too

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[bojack]

You wanted to go for it on 4th and 7 on the 46 yard line, with one of the biggest legs in the NFL on the other team? No thanks

Agreed. Game wasn't over by punting. We could have won if the INT wasn't juggled. They could have muffed the punt or fumbled on a play. Chances slim but not gone.

If that 4th doesn't pay off it's a pretty likely a loss.

 

[JosiahLee]

What does a tie do for you that a loss doesn’t? You get nothing for a tie. If backed him since the hire but that move was pathetic. Whip out the participation trophy for Kliff.

What does a tie get you? Well if they are competing for a playoff spot at the end of the year and have 1 less loss than another team with the same amount of wins, that tie gets you a playoff berth.

 

[Shaggy]

A tie is a loss.

So you think a team that is 0-1 is going to be higher in the standings then a team 0-0-1? Nope, they aren't. So a tie is not a loss.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I hate being content with a tie....But if you told me at halftime we had a chance to get back in that game, I would have laughed uncontrollably.

So yeah... That was an awesome tie IMHO.


On another note... If you told me that Matt freaking Stafford would have more rushing yards than Murray, I would have lost my house if I found someone to take that bet!

 

[gbrim21]

Shocked at the number of fans who say a tie is the same as a loss. Are you talking metaphorically/philosophically or are you really that bad at math?

My team went 8-7-1 and your team went 8-8 this year. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out which record is better.

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Theres no 2nd OT, right??? I’m beyond disgusted right now. Kingsbury should be ashamed of himself.

I wanted them to go for it but an not mad. Had TB caught that gift nobody cares about not going for it.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I am far more angry about the play calling on 2nd and goal at the 1.

There is no way dj does not get in with three chances from there. That cost us the game.

This.

 

[slanidrac16]

Shocked at the number of fans who say a tie is the same as a loss. Are you talking metaphorically/philosophically or are you really that bad at math?

My team went 8-7-1 and your team went 8-8 this year. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out which record is better.

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Rocket surgeon... love it!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

A tie is a loss.

Pretty sure a tie is a tie......but do not quote me ob it, I have been reading a lot of quatum theory, so.....

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[ProdigalSun]

It was the right call. We pinned them and Stafford threw a pick that would have won us the game had Brock held on

 

[ajcardfan]

What does a tie do for you that a loss doesn’t? You get nothing for a tie. If backed him since the hire but that move was pathetic. Whip out the participation trophy for Kliff.

A tie is better than a loss. I thought you knew football.

Look at it like this, the Cards and the Lions are tied for the second best record in the ENTIRE NFL right now. Only a half game behind the best record!

 

[GuernseyCard]

What does a tie do for you that a loss doesn’t? You get nothing for a tie. If backed him since the hire but that move was pathetic. Whip out the participation trophy for Kliff.

Well, I'm certainly confused. I'm looking at the NFL standings and there are teams at 1-0 and others at 0-1 and for some reason, I'm sure you can explain AZ and Detroit are ranked ahead of the latter list. Confused... please help.

Who selects first at the draft?

The team at 8-8 or 8-7-1

 

[conraddobler]

All good points however I remain steadfast in saying that it is a game and as such should be played to win, never to avoid losing which is exactly what playing for a tie is the ultimate expression of, and also if you want anything worthwhile in life you will never get anywhere if you are more afraid of losing than you are of not winning.

Just my opinion.

 

[azsouthendzone]

if you want anything worthwhile in life you will never get anywhere if you are more afraid of losing than you are of not winning.

Just my opinion.

LMAO are you kidding me?

 

[Dr. Jones]

LMAO are you kidding me?

Get busy living...... Or get busy dying.

 

[gbrim21]

All good points however I remain steadfast in saying that it is a game and as such should be played to win, never to avoid losing which is exactly what playing for a tie is the ultimate expression of, and also if you want anything worthwhile in life you will never get anywhere if you are more afraid of losing than you are of not winning.

Just my opinion.

No offense, but this mindset is the problem with the fanbase. You are projecting your personal life philosophy onto a football game, and assuming there are only 2 outcomes: a win or a loss. Despite Donovan McNabb not being aware, a tie is also possible. Which is by definition not as good as a win, but better than a loss.

We try to boil it down to "if you're not playing to win" nonsense. Really, its Kliff's job to play for the best outcome for the team, which is usually a win. In this case, historically on a 4th and 7 you have a 30% or less chance to convert, then if you can't get another first down, what is our kicker's accuracy from 50+? Maybe 65%? So both those things have to happen, bringing our chance at a win down into the 20's. A turnover there raises the Lions chance of driving into field goal range by quite a bit versus being pinned down at their own 5 yard line after a punt. So, the coach's job is to assess the pros/cons and general probabilities of a win, loss, or in this case tie depending on going for it or not.

Yes we all want to win, and maybe going for it would have resulted in a win, but historically speaking this was probably about a 1 in 4 chance had we gone for it. Obviously there are no guarantees either way, but when we all talk about a coach "putting his team in the best position to succeed" this should be what we're referring to.

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