Diners Called 'Fat Girls' On Check From Chilly D's Restaurant

[Southpaw]

Nice logic.

Steve

It's their logic not mine. Why did they feel the need to go public (rhetorical)? Prior to that, only 4 people knew. They set themselves up for public discussion. That is what I don't get. Are they looking for public sympathy? Revenge? Validation? Money?

 

[Rivercard]

Are they looking for public sympathy? Revenge? Validation? Money?

Probably a free trip to the buffet.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's their logic not mine. Why did they feel the need to go public (rhetorical)? Prior to that, only 4 people knew. They set themselves up for public discussion. That is what I don't get. Are they looking for public sympathy? Revenge? Validation? Money?

How is it their logic? You are the one that said clause A = clause B, not them. There is an unbridgeable gap between "going public" and "wanting publicity". I can't count high enough to cover the number of reasons they may have gone public and that's assuming "they" actually went public - three people, one statement.

Steve

 

[Southpaw]

How is it their logic? You are the one that said clause A = clause B, not them. There is an unbridgeable gap between "going public" and "wanting publicity". I can't count high enough to cover the number of reasons they may have gone public and that's assuming "they" actually went public - three people, one statement.

Steve

I was attempting to decode their logic. It is not my logic. If they were embarrassed that someone identified them as fat, they were offended. By all accounts they are fat, as depicted in their photo shoot. So being embarrassed by a previous private event, they chose to go public. That makes no sense. If someone called you fat to your face, is it logical to scream from the rooftop that that person called you fat unless it was for one of the reasons I offered.

The articles made local , regional and national news. Who do you believe brought the story out? The restaurant? No, it was them. They have been interviewed without force. It wasn't compelled testimony under oath. They volunteered.

It's not that difficult to see the confusion.

 

[Southpaw]

Now this something to get riled up about

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/most-racist-restaurant-america?akid=9833.47049.Qk1pSA&rd=1&src=newsletter764612&t=9

The Most Racist Restaurant in America?
Marker's Mark Bourbon House and Lounge wanted to know the ratio of "black people to white people" for an upcoming party--then denied African Americans access.
December 20, 2012 |



The Maker’s Mark Bourbon House and Lounge in downtown Louisville, Kentucky, used to be a decently classy place, the type of glass- and wood-paneled establishment striving for a level of authenticity beyond the reach of a chain restaurant named after a bourbon label.
Late this past August, however, the Bourbon House and Lounge officially became one of the most despicable restaurants in the country when it denied African Americans access to a public event held at the site.

Here’s what happened: Andre Mulligan and his brother went to the Marker’s Mark Bourbon House and Lounge on August 17 to speak with officials from Maker's Mark bourbon company about a public event to be held at their restaurant the next day. At the meeting, Maker's Mark wanted to know “the ratio of ‘black people’ to ‘white people’ attending the event” explains Mulligan in his lawsuit against the establishment.

Mulligan and his brother explained that the party-goers would be ‘100 percent African American,’ to which information the officials from Maker's Mark said essentially, nope, you can’t hold an event at our lounge—a clear violation of not only the states’ laws, but also all human decency and basic 21st century codes of ethics and respect.

Given the clear illegality of the managers’ claims, Mulligan, his brother and some of their friends showed up the next night anyway for the event. What happened next, according to the lawsuit, is that the restaurant’s bouncers yelled at Mulligan and his friends to “shut up,” told them they couldn’t enter the bar, and then threatened to call the police and have them “locked up” if they didn’t leave the area around the bar—also known as the public sidewalk. As this is all occurring, the bouncers are politely welcoming white diners to enter the bar. Okay, so the complaint actually doesn’t say anything about how the bouncers greeted the white patrons, but you can reasonably infer that they were polite, given that their job is to welcome (all) customers into the bar...

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/most-racist-restaurant-america?akid=9833.47049.Qk1pSA&rd=1&src=newsletter764612&t=9

 

[Chaplin]

I was attempting to decode their logic. It is not my logic. If they were embarrassed that someone identified them as fat, they were offended. By all accounts they are fat, as depicted in their photo shoot. So being embarrassed by a previous private event, they chose to go public. That makes no sense. If someone called you fat to your face, is it logical to scream from the rooftop that that person called you fat unless it was for one of the reasons I offered.

The articles made local , regional and national news. Who do you believe brought the story out? The restaurant? No, it was them. They have been interviewed without force. It wasn't compelled testimony under oath. They volunteered.

It's not that difficult to see the confusion.

I'd say there was definitely a selfish bit of revenge in their motives for coming out about this. But then again, the restaurant did do a pretty poor job of trying to make the situation right. So maybe a place like that deserved to be slammed like this.

 

[Southpaw]

I'd say there was definitely a selfish bit of revenge in their motives for coming out about this. But then again, the restaurant did do a pretty poor job of trying to make the situation right. So maybe a place like that deserved to be slammed like this.

BTW, I agree, the server was an ass.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I was attempting to decode their logic. It is not my logic. If they were embarrassed that someone identified them as fat, they were offended. By all accounts they are fat, as depicted in their photo shoot. So being embarrassed by a previous private event, they chose to go public. That makes no sense. If someone called you fat to your face, is it logical to scream from the rooftop that that person called you fat unless it was for one of the reasons I offered.

The articles made local , regional and national news. Who do you believe brought the story out? The restaurant? No, it was them. They have been interviewed without force. It wasn't compelled testimony under oath. They volunteered.

It's not that difficult to see the confusion.

You really should bang your head if that's how you go about decoding someone's logic. You stated "so obviously, they are proud of their figures". There is no decoding going on in that sentence, if that was your intent then perhaps you should have said something less emphatic.

Have you never done something on principle before? It is inappropriate to label someone in this fashion and perhaps these women were strong enough to deal with the insult but were concerned about the impact this behavior could have on someone that might be less secure. Or maybe they saw a chance to make a cash grab? Or perhaps their feelings were so hurt they reacted before considering the fallout from their statement. There are so many possibilities but in the end none of them really matter. There was no need to insult these women and their actions after the fact have no bearing on this.

Steve

 

[Southpaw]

You really should bang your head if that's how you go about decoding someone's logic. You stated "so obviously, they are proud of their figures". There is no decoding going on in that sentence, if that was your intent then perhaps you should have said something less emphatic.

Have you never done something on principle before? It is inappropriate to label someone in this fashion and perhaps these women were strong enough to deal with the insult but were concerned about the impact this behavior could have on someone that might be less secure. Or maybe they saw a chance to make a cash grab? Or perhaps their feelings were so hurt they reacted before considering the fallout from their statement. There are so many possibilities but in the end none of them really matter. There was no need to insult these women and their actions after the fact have no bearing on this.

Steve

Bad debate Steve. I was questioning their motive, not labeling them emphatically. I can't imagine any of them reading this discussion in this forum.

Maybe I hit too close to home for you. Sorry if that is the case.

Blame Gee, he posted the thread.


Damn you to Hell Gee.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Bad debate Steve. I was questioning their motive, not labeling them emphatically. I can't imagine any of them reading this discussion in this forum.

Maybe I hit too close to home for you. Sorry if that is the case.

Blame Gee, he posted the thread.


Damn you to Hell Gee.

No, actually I was fine until you used the head banging icon. To me, that symbol says "what the hell do I have to do to get this through your thick head?". It has a tendency to push my buttons which is an easy thing to do when I'm not at my best and right now, I'm not at me best.

If that were me I'd have just laughed it off but I know a lot of people that have lived with weight problems their entire life and there is a lot of emotional distress that comes from living with that situation. I see no reason to add to that distress. We cavalierly dismiss weight problems as nothing more than a personal choice and perhaps that's all there is to it but even still, I think picking on someone for their shortcomings is bullying and that always incites me.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Bad debate Steve. I was questioning their motive, not labeling them emphatically. I can't imagine any of them reading this discussion in this forum.

Maybe I hit too close to home for you. Sorry if that is the case.

Blame Gee, he posted the thread.


Damn you to Hell Gee.

I mentioned I'm not at my best and here is proof, I just now realized you called me fat. I could use to drop 5 or 10 pounds, maybe I should eat at Chilly D's.

Steve

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Funny thing is - if this were three fat guys they probably would have cracked up and asked for two more copies so they could each take one home to put on their refrigerator door.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Funny thing is - if this were three fat guys they probably would have cracked up and asked for two more copies so they could each take one home to put on their refrigerator door.

Really? Most guys I know would be pissed if someone called them a fat girl.

Steve

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Really? Most guys I know would be pissed if someone called them a fat girl.

Steve

 

[Southpaw]

Really? Most guys I know would be pissed if someone called them a fat girl.

Steve

That might even make them laugh harder.

 

[Chaplin]

Funny thing is - if this were three fat guys they probably would have cracked up and asked for two more copies so they could each take one home to put on their refrigerator door.

Hmm. My stepfather died in 1998, and a major cause of his death was his being overweight (along with the diabetes and heart problems that go along with it).

Nothing gets me more mad than people making fun or joking at the expense of someone who has a weight problem. It's a SERIOUS health issue and I certainly wouldn't want to be labeled as something if it's something I'm already conscious and embarrassed about.

Thin people never realize how bad it can really be. I didn't, until I lost one of my best friends.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Hmm. My stepfather died in 1998, and a major cause of his death was his being overweight (along with the diabetes and heart problems that go along with it).

Nothing gets me more mad than people making fun or joking at the expense of someone who has a weight problem. It's a SERIOUS health issue and I certainly wouldn't want to be labeled as something if it's something I'm already conscious and embarrassed about.

Thin people never realize how bad it can really be. I didn't, until I lost one of my best friends.

It's one of the last acceptable forms of prejudice.

Regardless of how you feel about people who are overweight or why you think people shouldn't be overweight, the restaurant shouldn't have labeled A PAYING CUSTOMER as such (regardless of whether they were or not) as fat.

Why did those chicks go public? So people might think twice about giving their money to a douchebag establishment.

 

[Southpaw]

Public service?

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130106/DA3KR0800.html

Poll: Few Americans know all the risks of obesity


Jan 6, 12:10 PM (ET)

By LAURAN NEERGAARD and JENNIFER AGIESTA

WASHINGTON (AP) - Heart disease and diabetes get all the attention, but what about the many other ways obesity can damage your health?

Carrying too many pounds may lead to or worsen some types of cancer, arthritis, sleep apnea, even infertility. But a new poll suggests few Americans realize the links.

Only about one-quarter of people think it's possible for someone to be very overweight and still healthy, according to the poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Ask about the most serious consequences, and more than 7 in 10 Americans can correctly tick off heart disease and diabetes. Heart disease is the nation's leading killer, and diabetes and obesity are twin epidemics, as rates of both have climbed in recent years.

The other consequences aren't so well known.

"People are often shocked to hear how far-reaching the effects of obesity are," said Jennifer Dimitriou, a bariatric dietitian at New York's Montefiore Medical Center...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ask yourselves these questions:

When's the last time you called a stranger "fat" in a nice way? Did you say it to their face? What was their reaction?

Would have been appropriate if the server had listed them as Black girls, Indian girls, Mexican girls, Colored girls, Negro girls, Jew girls, Bimbos, etc. if the term was applicable?

How many fat people do you know that like to call themselves fat?

Fat is an aptly descriptive terms that is typically used in a negative manner like, for instance, Mexican. Most white people I know are afraid to say Mexican around Mexicans, unless they're talking about Mexican food. Why? Because amongst other white people it allows them to convey a negative stereotype quickly in a conversation.

Example:

"What's her problem?"
"She's Mexican"
"Oh, that makes sense."

Take that exchange, and substitute "Mexican" with any other adjective you like (as I did above).

See what I'm saying?

Now, I can't say that "Jeff" (the guy at the restaurant that typed that in) was being descriptive, or derogatory. Either way, it was inappropriate. As a general business practice you should avoid doing things that will piss off customers.

Understood.

If you don't wanna be called fat, then loose the weight.

I want people to stop calling me a ******, so I am working on that.

Have the two people been insulted ? Yep. It was completely unprofessional of the waiter or party responsible for them to do that. I feel the two "victims" should be compensated.

Personally ? As you said, the people can get over it.

Fat is only negative in the modern day world, and the current trends. There are times in history where the fatter your ass was the sexier the beast you were.

So, it is more about insults then anything. Back in the roman times maybe a server scratched "Two Skinny girls" on a stone tablet and got in trouble.

That is my take on it Robespierre.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Public service?

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130106/DA3KR0800.html

While I agree with the article.

There is talk about the BIM index being a farce but it is still apparent what you post.

Anyone that was heavy and lost weight can verify it.

...................even if they still eat McCrap! Delicious.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's one of the last acceptable forms of prejudice.

Slippery slope, IMO.

Prejudice, at some point, becomes relative, IMO.

And to be honest, I think some types of prejudice/stereotyping is justified. It may not be the best for the "everyone wins" crowds but it has some justification.


Again, if you don't want to be fat, then do something about it. You have that ability.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

BTW, I agree, the server was an ass.

+1

Well put!

And she had buck-teeth.....and don't know that she did but I felt like throwing that in there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/most-racist-restaurant-america?akid=9833.47049.Qk1pSA&rd=1&src=newsletter764612&t=9

WOW!

Talk about a place to lay a steamer on the front stoop late at night.

That is appalling.

 

[Gaddabout]

There is talk about the BIM index being a farce but it is still apparent what you post.

Wait, the what? Is that the metric used to measure how annoyed BIM gets at seeing a typo?

 

[Jersey Girl]

Slippery slope, IMO.

Prejudice, at some point, becomes relative, IMO.

And to be honest, I think some types of prejudice/stereotyping is justified. It may not be the best for the "everyone wins" crowds but it has some justification.

Again, if you don't want to be fat, then do something about it. You have that ability.

You callin' me fat?