Divacs to Lakers, COOOOL!!

[Cheesebeef]

That's just too funny considering that we had locked up the 8th spot at least 3 games before the season was over and that the Rockets got one game for free when the refs called Andre Miller for a lane violation on the Clippers game winning freethrow.

so are you saying we weren't neck and neck with the Rockets before Rudy T had to leave for medical reasons and they went into a tailspin?

 

[SirStefan32]

I remember him saying that JJ is better than Manu Ginobilli, not sure about him saying JJ is better than Wade, though it doesn't sound too far fetched considering he just said Caron Butler sucks, lol

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

someone didn't really say this, did they?

Unfortunately. In slin's world, Leandro Barbosa is better than Caron Butler and Joe Johnson is better than Dwyane Wade.

 

[slinslin]

This is probably the worst thing ever stated on this board, other than maybe your opinion that Joe Johnson is better than Dwyane Wade.

Dwayne Wade should be nominated for the playoff hype award in honor of Mike Bibby.

16ppg 4rpg 4.5apg in 35mpg.

Joe Johnson was about 19/5/5 in 40mpg after Marbury was traded.

And they are the same age. Excuse me but I take Johnson over the undersized Wade anytime. His ceiling is much higher because he can be a legit post-up threat unlike Wade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No I am not and I think you have depressions or something real bad.

Maybe you should go here www.lakersground.net

I have "depressions" - please enlighten me on what the hell that is? Maybe you have myopiaitis - and I was just waiting for someone to call me a Laker fan - it's what most people do when they realize their arguments are making ZERO sense. That's bush league crap man - you know as much as I do that I'm a Suns fan - sorry I can't be as delusional as you - but I would never accuse you of being anythign other than a fan - again - that's just crap.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dwayne Wade should be nominated for the playoff hype award in honor of Mike Bibby.

16ppg 4rpg 4.5apg in 35mpg.

Joe Johnson was about 19/5/5 in 40mpg after Marbury was traded.

And they are the same age. Excuse me but I take Johnson over the undersized Wade anytime. His ceiling is much higher because he can be a legit post-up threat unlike Wade.

slin - how old are you? Just for curiosity dake? And why not the friendly wager with proceeds to the site - what are you afriad of?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Dwayne Wade should be nominated for the playoff hype award in honor of Mike Bibby.

16ppg 4rpg 4.5apg in 35mpg.

Joe Johnson was about 19/5/5 in 40mpg after Marbury was traded.

And they are the same age. Excuse me but I take Johnson over the undersized Wade anytime. His ceiling is much higher because he can be a legit post-up threat unlike Wade.

If you actually truly believe what you are writing, there's no point in even arguing with you. Your opinion is so incorrect and off-base a response is not even necessary.

 

[slinslin]

If you actually truly believe what you are writing, there's no point in even arguing with you. Your opinion is so incorrect and off-base a response is not even necessary.

Great point...

 

[elindholm]

Slinslin lives in Germany. He has no way to negotiate in dollars, which is probably why he's declining the bet.

Marion is better than Odom. Wade's advantage over Johnson, to this point, is that he has shown the ability to make big shots. Johnson is a more complete player.

Both the Lakers and the Suns have a hundred question marks going into next season. My guess is that the Suns will be a little better, but it's going to be close either way.

 

[Mainstreet]

Reading this thread (for the most part), I would think I'm on the Lakers site.

I suggest Laker fans repeat several times (so they can reboot their minds) to regain perspective: Shaq is gone... Shaq is gone... Shaq is gone.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Personally, I think Butler is overhyped (or was). With that said, I would still take him over Barbosa at this point. However, 3 years from now I see it being pretty even.


I like Wade a lot, but Slin is right about the playoff hype. He got a lot of extra attention, deservingly so, from his playoff clutch performances. JJ does have the higher cieling, but who knows if he will get to that point.

 

[slinslin]

Wade's advantage over Johnson, to this point, is that he has shown the ability to make big shots.

Joe Johnson over Yao Ming for the win!

Joe Johnson lead the Suns in 4th quarter scoring as well.

Even if the Lakers are better than the Suns next season. They are not going to compete for anything with that team and they have no cap flexibility.
Even after Grant's deal expired they will have more than 33M$ tied up in Lamar Odom and Kobe Bryant plus whatever Caron Butler will make on his next deal.
And they won't be bad enough to get a great big man in the draft either.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Reading this thread (for the most part), I would think I'm on the Lakers site.

I suggest Laker fans repeat several times (so they can reboot their minds) to regain perspective: Shag is gone... Shag is gone... Shag is gone.

you are an idiot if you think SirStefan, me or Mao are Lakers fans - I don't know any more succinct way to put that. Just because we hate the Lakers doesn't cause us to lose any ability to be objective - sorry that's a problem for you.

This is the biggest problem and what Suns fans must chant aloud - Shaq is gone . . Shaq is gone . . Shaq is gone . . and we still may not be better than them with all the cap space we had?! That's what pisses me off.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Joe Johnson over Yao Ming for the win!

Joe Johnson lead the Suns in 4th quarter scoring as well.

lead us in the fourth quarter scoring to what end - LOSSES? Don
t even try and comparing the two as far as end of game or pressure performers - I'll say - every where else - you could make a decent argument, but to argue the above is just - well - I don't have to say it.

 

[SirStefan32]

Excellent post Cheese!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Personally, I think Butler is overhyped (or was). With that said, I would still take him over Barbosa at this point. However, 3 years from now I see it being pretty even.


I like Wade a lot, but Slin is right about the playoff hype. He got a lot of extra attention, deservingly so, from his playoff clutch performances. JJ does have the higher cieling, but who knows if he will get to that point.

Graham - why is it that you think JJ has a higher ceiling? I mean he's going into his fourth year and Wade did what he did in his first - and more. Isn't is possible that Wade is just scratching the surface of his game as well?

As far as Butler - we're not talking down the road -we're talking next season - so the point is kinda moot. I also like Barbosa's potential as I do Zarko - but that doesn't mean we have a strong bench.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Excellent post Cheese!

I don't get how I could be so in tune with you on this and with Red Storm with the Cards and yet be so completely on the other end of the spectrum politically? It's a weird thing this message board!

 

[slinslin]

lead us in the fourth quarter scoring to what end - LOSSES? Don
t even try and comparing the two as far as end of game or pressure performers - I'll say - every where else - you could make a decent argument, but to argue the above is just - well - I don't have to say it.

Let me guess. You aren't posting on general NBA boards are you? If you did you could find a lot of neutral NBA fans who would take Johnson over Wade.

No Joe Johnson with his 4th quarter scoring lead us to a better winning percentage than Stephon Marbury who the Suns should have never traded in your opinion.

Also let me guess TMac isn't a top20 player in your opinion because he lead his team to a 20 game losing streak and the worst record in the NBA?

Weak argument.

 

[slinslin]

Graham - why is it that you think JJ has a higher ceiling? I mean he's going into his fourth year and Wade did what he did in his first - and more. Isn't is possible that Wade is just scratching the surface of his game as well?

As far as Butler - we're not talking down the road -we're talking next season - so the point is kinda moot. I also like Barbosa's potential as I do Zarko - but that doesn't mean we have a strong bench.

Barbosa had a better season in his rookie season than Butler in his second season. You can't even argue that.

And who cares if Wade was a rookie or not? How do you know what Johnson would have been capable of in his rookie season if he stayed in college as long as Wade? Unless Wade devellops into a PG he will always be undersized at the 2.


Wade is only 5 months younger than Johnson!

And why does Johnson have a higher ceiling? Maybe because he is 6'7-6'8 while Wade is just 6'4??

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's the perfect description for some of the stuff you are saying since we signed Nash.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Let me guess. You aren't posting on general NBA boards are you? If you did you could find a lot of neutral NBA fans who would take Johnson over Wade.

No Joe Johnson with his 4th quarter scoring lead us to a better winning percentage than Stephon Marbury who the Suns should have never traded in your opinion.

Also let me guess TMac isn't a top20 player in your opinion because he lead his team to a 20 game losing streak and the worst record in the NBA?

Weak argument.

uh - excuse me - when the hell did I ever say Marbs shouldn't have been traded? And putting a ridiculous argument into my mouht such as the one about T-Mac is just as ridiculous considering how hard I got bashed here for desperately wanting him on our club at the expense of GASP - JJ and Marion. Come on Slin - you're better than the above - now you're just making crap up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Barbosa had a better season in his rookie season than Butler in his second season. You can't even argue that.

And who cares if Wade was a rookie or not? How do you know what Johnson would have been capable of in his rookie season if he stayed in college as long as Wade? Unless Wade devellops into a PG he will always be undersized at the 2.


Wade is only 5 months younger than Johnson!

And why does Johnson have a higher ceiling? Maybe because he is 6'7-6'8 while Wade is just 6'4??

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. That's the perfect description for some of the stuff you are saying since we signed Nash.

You are out of your mind. Because Johnson is taller he has a higher ceiling? I could see that maybe being a factor, but a de facto statement. Come on now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Barbosa had a better season in his rookie season than Butler in his second season. You can't even argue that.

Boy it's easy to say this when you have already stated that a guy battling injuries all season can't be taken into effect. You're arguments are spiraling into a deep hole of "depressions".

 

[slinslin]

Yes it is because being 6'8 at SG means he can become a threat in the post and play multiple positions something that Wade won't be able to add to his game.
Wade at 6'4 is limited to less and has to worry about other SGs posting him up.

 

[Mainstreet]

you are an idiot if you think SirStefan, me or Mao are Lakers fans - I don't know any more succinct way to put that. Just because we hate the Lakers doesn't cause us to lose any ability to be objective - sorry that's a problem for you.

It's not a problem for me as there are only a handful of franchise players out there, e.g., Shaq, Kobe, Garnett and Duncan.

The Lakers having Kobe surrounded by some talent of course makes them a force in the West. Perhaps they will be better than the Suns but the primary reason will be Kobe. We'll see how high or low Kobe will fly this season as the only franchise player on the Laker team.

But the Lakers no longer have the big bad wolf... Shaq.

Certainly I'm not questioning anyone's loyalty. I was just giving you my take on how the thread was unfolding. Peace.

 

[slinslin]

Boy it's easy to say this when you have already stated that a guy battling injuries all season can't be taken into effect. You're arguments are spiraling into a deep hole of "depressions".

And Barbosa was a 21yr old, foreign rookie PG who couldn't speak and hardly understand english.

How come Butler still posted sorry statistics in the playoffs if his numbers were only down cause of injuries? It's funny Amare's numbers certainly were not down because he missed some games. It is not like Butler played games on one leg that caused his stats to drop.

38% shooting in the season and 38.6% in the playoffs....