Dj Traded!!

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I still don't get why everyone liked DJ so much. I honestly didn't see the great defender everyone made him out to be. Sure he was athletic and active, but that's about all. He couldn't shoot or pass a lick. I'm not real sorry to see him go. Sorry guys. :(
 

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I still don't get why everyone liked DJ so much. I honestly didn't see the great defender everyone made him out to be. Sure he was athletic and active, but that's about all. He couldn't shoot or pass a lick. I'm not real sorry to see him go. Sorry guys. :(

From the beginning, Strawberry was described as an absolutely terrific defender. Last sumer he led the Las Vegas summer league in assists and it looked like he was was going to become an earl Watson type PG. Yet over the past year he not progressed much and was less effective as a PG than a year ago.

This year in Las Vega's, Strawberry averaged 16 ppg on 38% from the field and hit only 1 of 8 for three with 3 assists per game including just 1 assist against the Knicks.

Singletary did not do hugely better, but he did have 4.4 assists inlcuding 8 assists against the Rockets and was very active with 4.8 rpg. In college, Singletary averaged 6.1 apg his senior year; so being a floor manager is a key to his being drafted where he was.
 

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Really not too happy with this trade. I looked DJ. He's a good kid. Good attitude and willing to work hard. Thats the kind of guy you want. I really thought he had some potential to make an impact eventually on defense. And if he could have developed a little bit of a shot, he could have been a decent bench player.

As for Singletary, I know he played at UVA and that he was pretty good, but I don't know how he will translate in the NBA. Do the Suns plan on keeping Singletary? Who knows. However, I really hope this move doesn't come back to bite us. I really do hope so.
 

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Really not too happy with this trade. I looked DJ. He's a good kid. Good attitude and willing to work hard. Thats the kind of guy you want. I really thought he had some potential to make an impact eventually on defense. And if he could have developed a little bit of a shot, he could have been a decent bench player.

Marks and Pike were good guys and worked hard. Think about that.
 

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At worst, this looks like #13 guy for a #13 guy. Was DJ going to beat out any of the Suns SG's? - Bell, Barbosa, and Tucker. I'd say he has a better chance with the Rockets, though not hugely better.

If this is about playing PG, it looks like Singeltary is closer to be a real PG than DJ. since that was what Singletary played in college. I'd like to be more enthusiastic, but for a 3rd string PG, it is hard to get too excited.
 

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As to the concerns that he may become Bowen part deux... That would be fine. Bowen played his first year with Miami, went to Boston for two years, played in Phi for half a year and came back to Miami for a year and a half before going to SA and completing his transmogrification into the goon that he is now.
 

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I think this move was made to try and shore up some shooting from the bench. How many times have we seen when Nash goes to the bench, the shots stop falling? Also, we had DJ, Tucker and now added Dragic. Those 3 players are not considered good shooters.

Is this move that surprising? Singletary appears to be more of a shooter.

This tells me two things. The Suns are not overly confident in Dragic's shooting abilities and they were not confident in DJ's ability to develop into a shooter. They made this move to spark some scoring from the PG position when Nash is on the bench.

I have a feeling we will see these guys platoon at back-up PG all season long.
 

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I don't think Singletary is that great as a shooter. I suspect he'll be better than Strawberry, who has never been a shooter even in college. But it is as a floor general who can pass the ball that appears to be the big big attraction with Singletary.
 

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I don't think Singletary is that great as a shooter. I suspect he'll be better than Strawberry, who has never been a shooter even in college. But it is as a floor general who can pass the ball that appears to be the big big attraction with Singletary.

From what I have seen the guy has more raw shooting talent then DJ, Tucker or Dragic.
 

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From what I have seen the guy has more raw shooting talent then DJ, Tucker or Dragic.

Out of curiosity, how much have you seen Tucker?

This summer in Las Vegas,
Tucker shot 57.1% and 4 of 9 for three. 80% on FT
Singletary shot 26.7% and 1 of 8 for three. 80% on FT.

Senior year In college

Singletary 19.8 ppg on 42.6%, 36.7% fir three 85.1% on Free throws
Tucker 19.8 ppg on 47%, 32.6% for three, 65.8% on free throws

Based on stats, Tucker has shown some progress over the past year and did well in Summer League. Singletary has not done terribly well in Summer League, but looks more like a floor leader. The videos suggest Singletary takes more outside shots than Tucker and I expect he'll do OK. None the less, I think Tucker is bette than given credit for.
 
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Irish, U can't trust stat on this one.

When we talking about shooting, it is all about jump shot in a meaningful distance. U have to take out all dunk & layups. Shaq has an impressive 60 FG% but everyone knows he can't shoot straight.

Also, shooters r mostly streaky due to many variables, such as form and pressure. Some can be very good in a short period, but bad average in a long period, while some others r the opposite.

Bring up LB and Barnes topic again. LB's 3p is very consistent for 40% for all the past several seasons, but u dont want to read his playoff 3P%. Barnes was 36.6% in his best season and a lowly 32% for career, but in his only playoff run, he made 42% in 11 games with nearly 2 made per game.

U can't judge shooters just by stats.
 

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Obviously layups and jumps shots are different. My read on it is that Singletary is a better shooter than Summer League would suggest. I sure hope so.

Singletary does have a chance to contribute this year. I found his comments interesting.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/08/26/20080826suns0827.html

Singletary happy to be in Phoenix

Paul Coro - Aug. 26, 2008 07:31 PM
The Arizona Republic

Sean Singletary has tasted much of pro life already. Being traded twice in a month would sour any rookie's outlook, but his deals went down sweet when he wound up with Phoenix.

Singletary, who turns 23 in 10 days, once revered new teammates Grant Hill, Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal. Just check the basement of his Philadelphia home, where a "Shaq Attack" pinball machine sit"It's kind of surreal," Singletary said.

After four years at Virginia with more ACC losses than wins, joining Phoenix's title quest is a throwback thrill.

"I haven't been on an elite team since I was 12," he said.
Singletary, acquired Monday in the D.J. Strawberry trade with Houston, has been an elite point guard. He is a three-time ACC first-team player with a retired jersey at Virginia.

Despite accomplished play, Singletary heard his size, shot and ability to run a team questioned at draft time. He expected to be picked higher, prompting him to leave home on draft night before Sacramento took him 42nd (the Kings later sent him to Houston in the Ron Artest deal).

After carrying the scoring load for an average Virginia team this year, Singletary focused on playmaking at Pre-Draft Camp and posted an assist-to-turnover ration of 5 to 1.

"People didn't think I could run a team," Singletary said. "In school, I wasn't able to do too much facilitating. It was a good situation (at the camp) to get into the paint and create, and to do it on the run, too. "All I can do now is bring energy and play smart basketball. Hopefully, things will work out for me. I know it's going to be an uphill battle. I've always been able to find a way."

You take on that mind-set when you are at 6 feet and 185 pounds. The self-described warrior believes he could have had similar success in football. He received passes in his prep days from Matt Ryan, now the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback.

Singletary endured hip and shoulder surgeries in college but missed only one game in four years. He considered leaving after his junior year but stayed to finish his sociology degree for his parents, who each overcame cancer battles.

He likely will hold on to the Suns' 13th and presumably final roster spot. It would be a surprise if he cracked the rotation, but he is eager to get to work.

"You're only a rookie once," he said. "I want to learn from all these guys and incorporate it into my game. I'm going to take my time but work with a sense of urgency, too. I'm going to come and give it all I've got."
 

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Out of curiosity, how much have you seen Tucker?

This summer in Las Vegas,
Tucker shot 57.1% and 4 of 9 for three. 80% on FT
Singletary shot 26.7% and 1 of 8 for three. 80% on FT.

Senior year In college

Singletary 19.8 ppg on 42.6%, 36.7% fir three 85.1% on Free throws
Tucker 19.8 ppg on 47%, 32.6% for three, 65.8% on free throws

Based on stats, Tucker has shown some progress over the past year and did well in Summer League. Singletary has not done terribly well in Summer League, but looks more like a floor leader. The videos suggest Singletary takes more outside shots than Tucker and I expect he'll do OK. None the less, I think Tucker is bette than given credit for.

Tucker might have made progress but the MO on Tucker is that he makes most of his shots around the rim or driving to the bucket. He still plays way too much with his back to the basket as if he is a forward. That is inflating his FG%. Even the Suns have said that Tucker cannot play like that at the NBA level and needs to develop a consistent outside shot.

I didn't say Singletary was a great shooter. I said he is better then DJ, Tucker or Dragic IMO. I think that's why he was brought here. Plus he had like a 5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio which I also think peaked the Suns interest. It seems to be more of a well rounded game the Suns are looking for at the PG spot. There is potential in him. I have a good feeling about this guy for some reason. More so then Tucker or Dragic. I think Dragic could also develop into a good player. I am not so high on Tucker like some people. I think this guy will forever be a tweaner and not amount to much in the NBA. Just my opinion.
 
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It will take quite some time for Tucker find his role. What we need from him? Defence and 3p at SG, yes, a Bell 2.0. He is not close to that ... Right now, Barbosa's 40% 3p shooting is indispensable, at least for regular season.
 

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There are several related issues:

Range - Can a guy shoot that far? Right now Hill lacks range and his percentages drop like raock when he goes out further.

Ability to Hit - Can shoot but does not hit a a high percentage.

Lack of confidence - Hits a good percentage but has to be absolutely wide open.

High Percentage shooter - Someone who can shoot well when gets a good shot and won't hesidtate

Great Shooter - hits well even when defender is right up on him.

My read on Tucker is that he lacks confidence. In D-League and Summer league he has hit hit threes, but takes so few it almost doesn't matter. It sounds like that is what they are working on.
 

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As the 1st option on any team, it's hard to shoot a high %. Singletary has a very good shooting form. He just need to adopt a blue collar attitude and work on his true PG skills. He might turn out to be the next Chris Paul. ;)
 

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Here is the thing about DJ...

I attended the Summer League this year and came away knowing one thing for certain..

DJ is NOT a PG.... he may want it, he may sometimes act like one, but he shoots the ball WAY too much, and has way below ball handling skills for the position

There a game I think it was the third one they played, me and a buddy sat 3 rows up, center court, and watched DJ on 4-5 STRAIGHT posessions dribble around and force a bad 17 foot fade away for no apparent reason. He wouldn't even ATTEMPT to pass the ball...

That same game the suns were down 1 with about 10 seconds to go, and EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING knew DJ was going to dibbble down and force some BS shot, and sure enough, with 4 players around him and 2 suns players WIDE open under the basket DJ launched a 3 from about 3 feet ouside the arc which airballed and the game is over....

DJ didn't fit with the suns, and won't EVER be a rotation player in this league, so why not roll the dice on someone who potentially could....
 

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As the 1st option on any team, it's hard to shoot a high %. Singletary has a very good shooting form. He just need to adopt a blue collar attitude and work on his true PG skills. He might turn out to be the next Chris Paul. ;)

I hope so, but I'm not counting on it. I remain curious about why Singletary's shooting was so poor in Las Vegas. http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/team/index.jsp?team=kings The Kings summer team had Douby, Hawes, Williams, and Thompson, so they had plenty of scorers.

BTW, Kerr said there were some guys who impressed him at Las Vegos before he signed Amundson and traded for Singletary. I'm guessing he saw something that went beyond the stats.
 
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