Docket has some PETA issues.

[AzStevenCal]

There are an estimated 3,000 wild tigers running free in the entire world. There are more than 7,000 tigers held in captivity in the US. This is just stupid. There have been almost 400,000 people killed by tigers over the past two centuries and yet people still think it's cute to try and make them into pets. It can't be done and it's absurd to blame the tiger when the inevitable happens.

Steve

 

[Dalbrin]

It's not about blame. Blame is a word best used for sentient creatures. As you rightly state, tigers are dangerous. They're also one of the very few animals that can become accustomed to seeing humans as just another food item/okay to kill.

If they kill a human, they should be put down, because the risk is going to be tremendously increased that they'll do it again. Most especially in a pet situation. Even in a nature preserve or fenced in facility, they're still going to have contact with their handlers and such. I'd feel the same way about a dog that killed someone.

Best thing to do is to make sure that the situation never comes up in the first place. As you note, the sheer number of privately owned big cats is actually a backstop to help prevent their extinction. The only people to own them, however, should be those who are stupid rich enough to hire a full time handler to care for the cat and remind the owner of things like don't play wrestle with the ****ing tiger, and to have the appropriate facilities built.

 

[Duckjake]

All I'm saying is that for this to have any relevance whatsoever, you would have to Kevin Bacon the principles of logic and sound reasoning to such an extent that by the time you got back to this thread we'd be discussing... landscape photography? Hot air balloons? Who knows what.

You've seen Tigers ride in hot air balloons!

 

[Russ Smith]

Nothing wrong with being ignorant on a subject. It's pretty pathetic to be proud of that ignorance, though.

Here ya go, champ. "man eating tigers forest masks" put into google gave me this. Took me literally three seconds.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_attacks_in_the_Sundarbans

Not a Peta fan at all but what are you suggesting as a solution? We also know the reason the people are getting attacked and it's not because tigers are evil, it's because the population in India is so out of control that the tigers are being put in a smaller and smaller area with less and less prey, all the wild being illegally killed by poachers.

So why would anybody be surprised that a country that's depleting its resources via overpopulation is seeing it's resources "fight back?"

Are we going to shoot the ganges river too? Afterall far more Indians are killed every year by the Ganges than by tigers. Of course they're dying from diseases that are the direct result of the people there dumping untreated sewage and human waste into the river. Don't like that kids are dying like that but then anybody who's ever been camping knows you don't poop in your own campsite.

I'm certainly not in favor of tigers killing Indian people but I'm also not in favor of letting the people of India wipe out Bengal tigers, and I certainly don't think the solution is letting people keep wild animals in pens in countries they don't belong in.

Naure has a way of telling humans when we're doing something we're not supposed to do.

 

[Russ Smith]

You're right. No sane person would google that for no reason. Someone sane might, though, if they had just been told of a forest in India where man-eating tigers lived, where villagers wear masks to try and trick them.

Or, you know, they could do what you did, and scoff at it because they'd never heard of it and were too lazy to take a few seconds to check for themselves. Yeah, that sounds like more fun.

It's a bad idea to keep a tiger as a pet, yes. They're incredibly dangerous. My issue with what you said was when you implied that an animal's life is worth more then a human's. Darnell Dockett should have his throat crushed, and his flesh potentially eaten, because he keeps one as a pet? That seems to be the implication in your first post on this thread.

Of course he shouldn't. But if he does keep one as a pet, and it does wind up killing him, who exactly is at fault?

Sure as hell isn't the tiger, what part of WILD animal do people not understand?

It's like ignoring the sign and peeing on the 3rd rail and then suing when you get electrocuted.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

The Big Cats and Public Safety Protection Act was introduced into the Senate just a few days ago. The goal is to ban private possession and breeding of tigers, lions, and other captive big cats in the United States. This legislation is largely in response to the Zanesville massacre when an exotic animal owner released 38 big cats into the community, then killed himself. Unfortunately, all of the animals had to be killed, as well. They were literally hunted by an unprepared police force.

There are some good organizations that provide care for these animals and one I that I support is Big Cat Rescue in Tampa. It is unfortunate that these sanctuaries have to exist, but some people see tigers as profit machines and do not respect the animals themselves. In fact, people run tiger mills just like they run puppy mills. Baby tigers are bred and people pay to have their pictures taken with them or "adopt" them as pets and when they become too big to handle, the cats are killed, and the mother is forced to produce more babies (often incestuously) and the cycle repeats. It's just an awful situation.

The problem with what Darnell Dockett is doing is that he is spreading a wrong and very dangerous idea. Not only does it promote an industry that abuses animals, it could be putting people's lives at risk if they think that owning a wild animal would be cool or fun.

My $.02.

 

[moosehead]

My wife is severely disabled and for a brief spell had a Capuchin Monkey as a service animal. She needed a permit from the State and it came with a lot of restrictions.

Here are some (unverified ) websites with info about exotic animals in AZ:

http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubsectionID=1&ArticleID=99713

That's because the Game and Fish Department basically refuses to issue the permits to people who want a large predator, primate or poisonous exotic snake for a pet.

"We are probably one of the most restrictive states in the country," said John Romero, law enforcement programs coordinator for Game and Fish.

"Through their permit process, they're able to prevent people from having tigers in their backyards," said Kari Nienstedt, Arizona director for the Humane Society of the United States.

http://voices.yahoo.com/arizona-exotic-animal-laws-1295595.html

http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a2_exotic_animals_state.php?s=az

 

[NJCardFan]

Peta!

I have no use for people who rip the heads off lettuce just so they can have a salad.

Or who kill dogs and cats by the hundreds and brag on how friendly they are toward animals.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Or who kill dogs and cats by the hundreds and brag on how friendly they are toward animals.

PETA does a lot of good, imo, but they are being awfully stupid about running a kill shelter. It's a small part of what they do, but it makes them look hypocritical and tone-deaf. If they'd just change their shelter policy or even stop running it altogether, they'd take away a major issue from their critics. I really can't understand how they can be so stubborn as to continue doing what they're doing there.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If the Tiger can teach Dockett how to be aggressive, then I'm all for it.

 

[Dalbrin]

If the Senate passes some kind of blanket federal no big cats law, you can bet that the vast majority of the 7,000 tigers and who knows how many lions kept as pets will promptly be put to sleep. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

[EndZone]

Dockett it a PITA

 

[Gee!]

http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/k...ockett-and-the-tiger-story-that-wont-go-away/

 

[THESMEL]

http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/es/jaguar_management.shtml

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In Arizona and New Mexico, a state-led Jaguar Conservation Team (JAGCT) is working to protect and conserve a species that many people do not even know is native to the United States. Created in 1997, JAGCT is a voluntary partnership among state, federal, and local government agencies, private individuals, and other entities with an interest in jaguar conservation. Their efforts and those of colleagues in Mexico are helping create a more promising future for the jaguar in the U.S.-Mexico borderlands.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...ures-of-the-day-11-February-2010.html?image=8




I seen a black panther on the West Fork of the Black River, it was stalking a little Palomino colt drinking at day break. It was about 30 yards across the water, as the sun hit the big 300 lb Male cat, I could see spots glistening in the sun - but not in the shade. (darker than the one above)The Panther caught my scent looked me right in the eye and leaped straight up the 100 foot rock wall- he touched twice - about 30 feet straight up - each bound -with little to no effort.

DD's Bengal Tiger cub is a handsome little guy, and the only natural predator of man - yes db's and big uglies are on "buddy's" menu. I had a Siberian White Tiger, at out of Africa in FT Mcdowell snarl and lunge at me. there was a fence- but our eyes were only 2 feet apart- ( snuck up for a pic) I can't explain the primal fear it left in me for 3 days- different than car wreck trauma, different than combat- it is a special kind of fear that vibrated my inner soul like a tuning fork that wouldn't stop ringing.


Jake Plummers Cardinal commercial link.
http://www.tvspots.tv/video/32360/

 

[FORKTUNG]

Give back the cat and end the distraction
footballl #1

 

[PDXChris]

Give back the cat and end the distraction
footballl #1

As I stated earlier in this thread, there were doubts he owned it and that is in fact the case.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/05/darnell-dockett-apparently-doesnt-own-a-tiger/

Last month, Cardinals defensive tackle Darnell Dockett said he has a tiger in Arizona, and that he wanted to bring the 60-pound (at the time) pet to practice.

According to Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, Dockett was speaking with fork tongue about an animal that uses its tongue to clean itself.

Per Somers, the owner of Predators Unlimited Wildlife Preserve in Florida says he didn’t sell a tiger cub to Dockett. And the Animal Rights Foundation of Florida agrees.

 

[SECTION 11]

If the Senate passes some kind of blanket federal no big cats law, you can bet that the vast majority of the 7,000 tigers and who knows how many lions kept as pets will promptly be put to sleep. Not sure how I feel about that.

C'mon Siegfried, make up your mind are we killing the bastards or not? Don't tell me I've been cruising the mean streets of Ahwatukee with this stupid mask on for two days for nothing.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/es/jaguar_management.shtml

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In Arizona and New Mexico, a state-led Jaguar Conservation Team (JAGCT) is working to protect and conserve a species that many people do not even know is native to the United States. Created in 1997, JAGCT is a voluntary partnership among state, federal, and local government agencies, private individuals, and other entities with an interest in jaguar conservation. Their efforts and those of colleagues in Mexico are helping create a more promising future for the jaguar in the U.S.-Mexico borderlands.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...ures-of-the-day-11-February-2010.html?image=8




I seen a black panther on the West Fork of the Black River, it was stalking a little Palomino colt drinking at day break. It was about 30 yards across the water, as the sun hit the big 300 lb Male cat, I could see spots glistening in the sun - but not in the shade. (darker than the one above)The Panther caught my scent looked me right in the eye and leaped straight up the 100 foot rock wall- he touched twice - about 30 feet straight up - each bound -with little to no effort.

DD's Bengal Tiger cub is a handsome little guy, and the only natural predator of man - yes db's and big uglies are on "buddy's" menu. I had a Siberian White Tiger, at out of Africa in FT Mcdowell snarl and lunge at me. there was a fence- but our eyes were only 2 feet apart- ( snuck up for a pic) I can't explain the primal fear it left in me for 3 days- different than car wreck trauma, different than combat- it is a special kind of fear that vibrated my inner soul like a tuning fork that wouldn't stop ringing.


Jake Plummers Cardinal commercial link.
http://www.tvspots.tv/video/32360/

I bet!

That picture you posted is awesome. Stunning creature.

 

[TigToad]

5-11 with the tiger, 5-11 without him.

Ok. I laughed out loud.

 

[Dalbrin]

C'mon Siegfried, make up your mind are we killing the bastards or not? Don't tell me I've been cruising the mean streets of Ahwatukee with this stupid mask on for two days for nothing.

Hey *******, there's nothing contradictory in my statements. An animal that kills a human should be killed in turn. Unless all 7,000 of these animals have killed humans, then there's nothing wrong with me not supporting killing them all.

Reading comprehension, look into it.

 

[slinslin]

here have been almost 400,000 people killed by tigers over the past two centuries

I'd like to see the source on that. 400,000 seems very hard to believe..

And of course people should not be allowed to own a tiger, lion or any wild animal.

It leads to all sorts of problems, those animals are not meant to be kept. Just look at some of the problems Florida has with released wild animals like pythons.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

5-11 with the tiger, 5-11 without him.

5/5

That is darn funny

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I stopped paying attention, but just to tie a bow on this can you let me know where to get one of those masks? I just want to be prepared is all.

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[RugbyMuffin]

All I'm saying is that for this to have any relevance whatsoever, you would have to Kevin Bacon the principles of logic and sound reasoning to such an extent that by the time you got back to this thread we'd be discussing... landscape photography? Hot air balloons? Who knows what.

I am game!

Kevin Bacon Bacon Portrait & Bacon Landscape Photography
http://www.marcs-culinary-compass.com/2013/01/kevin-bacon-bacon-portrait.html

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[RugbyMuffin]

PETA does a lot of good, imo,

As a ex-Kennel Manager, I very much disagree.

Great ideas, but horrible actions.