Dockett, Dansby remain holdouts

[azdad1978]

Dockett, Dansby remain holdouts

By Darren Urban, Tribune

FLAGSTAFF - Larry Fitzgerald is under contract, but getting Karlos Dansby and Darnell Dockett in a Cardinals uniform might be a little bit harder.

Vice president of football operations Rod Graves on Monday refused to characterize himself as pessimistic that the two, drafted in the second and third rounds, respectively, would sign soon. But, he added, “at some point, realistic conversations have to take place, and it doesn’t seem those conversations have taken place fast enough for their side.”

The agents for Dansby and Dockett could not be reached.

Graves said the Cards would continue negotiations with both players “if they choose to contact us.”

Dockett, a defensive tackle, has already been named a starter. Dansby is expected to compete for significant playing time at linebacker. Coach Dennis Green earlier Monday didn’t seem fazed by the holdouts, saying it was just part of the system. He also said he expected Dockett to retain his starting job once he showed up.

“It’s a business,” Green said. “A player has a right to get what he think he is worth. It doesn’t mean we have to give it to him. He has a right to fight for his money, everyone else does.”

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[maddogkf]

We really need to get these guys in here. They need all the reps they can get.

 

[ajcardfan]

Looks like the Cards willingness to bend for first round picks is not extending to the second and third rounders. Which I actually approve of. They should not be getting out of slot in rounds 2-7.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Graves said the Cards would continue negotiations with both players “if they choose to contact us.”

i love that stance. That is awesome

 

[maddogkf]

Looks like the Cards willingness to bend for first round picks is not extending to the second and third rounders. Which I actually approve of. They should not be getting out of slot in rounds 2-7.

I concur.

 

[40yearfan]

I concur.

 

[Shane]

I concur too!

 

[seesred]

I don't agree.You can not get things done if both parties are waiting for the other to call. Even though we want fiscal resposability we also know we need these kids in camp. I expect our Cards to be just as aggressive signing these two as any of the others.

Graves said he was doing Fitz and the new guy was doing the rest of them. It's time for Graves to make some calls. Heck we might need Dockett more than we needed Fitz. I hope we get it done soon even if we have to fly to where the agents are and go face to face.

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[imaCafan]

Maybe the draftees need to get on their agents butts to get a deal done now.

 

[Chainthroer]

Jmo, but I believe we need to get Dockett in here fast. If DG already has him cast as a first stringer, then they should pay him some extra coin and get him signed and ready for the season. We have plenty of LBs, so Dansby is not so much of a priority. But, we do not have the same luxury at DT!!

 

[azdad1978]

I concur.

 

[spanky1]

There is ample room between the #63 and the #65 draft picks to fit Dockett in. The problem is that Graves wants a SB closer to Kaeding's than Hill's. Kaeding got an unusally low SB for a #64 pick because he is a Kicker.

This is not going to be resolved anytime soon methinks.

As for Dansby, I don't know what Chris Snee (#34) received and Ben Watson (#32) isn't signed as of yet. New England do not appear to be in any particular hurry to sign him either.

But we DO DEFINITELY NEED TO GET DOCKETT in ASAP. His signing is every bit a critical as Fitz's was.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jmo, but I believe we need to get Dockett in here fast. If DG already has him cast as a first stringer, then they should pay him some extra coin and get him signed and ready for the season. We have plenty of LBs, so Dansby is not so much of a priority. But, we do not have the same luxury at DT!!

I think Dockett can certainly play,but I really think the reason DG has been so vocal about him is his desire to motivate his other DT's, in particular Wendell Bryant.

I want all players signed as soon as possible, but I think Dockett is only going to be part of a rotation of players at that UT position.

 

[ajcardfan]

There is ample room between the #63 and the #65 draft picks to fit Dockett in. The problem is that Graves wants a SB closer to Kaeding's than Hill's. Kaeding got an unusally low SB for a #64 pick because he is a Kicker.

This is not going to be resolved anytime soon methinks.

As for Dansby, I don't know what Chris Snee (#34) received and Ben Watson (#32) isn't signed as of yet. New England do not appear to be in any particular hurry to sign him either.

But we DO DEFINITELY NEED TO GET DOCKETT in ASAP. His signing is every bit a critical as Fitz's was.

Have you heard what they've offered Dockett as a bonus, or are you just using logic? I think they should basically ignore both Hill (too much) and Kaeding (too little) and give a decent raise over the contract in Dockett's slot last year. I'd guess this is the offer they made.

 

[spanky1]

Have you heard what they've offered Dockett as a bonus, or are you just using logic? I think they should basically ignore both Hill (too much) and Kaeding (too little) and give a decent raise over the contract in Dockett's slot last year. I'd guess this is the offer they made.

I have read that they wanted to fit Dockett into a SB range of $600-$650,000..........and I can't recall exactly where I read this so I cannot direct you there unfortunately.

Dockett and Hill are similar storylines. Both were expected to go in the 2nd round but didn't for whatever reasons. Both are players of potentially unusal talent.

Hill's SB was $1,150,000. Kaeding's was $585,000. If indeed they want Dockett closer to Kaeding than Hill there is a VERY REAL disconnect. Especially when Drew Rosenhaus is Dockett's agent. He plays hardball.

The key is to find out where #64 fell last year before I would be more prepared to think this thing through.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Piss on em.

Bryant has already turned in up a notch....thank goodness before he got cut.

LBer is our strongest depth position.

Piss on em.

 

[PAQ77]

I just don't get how a third round pick has the balls to hold out. I don't care if you have first round potential... You were NOT a first round pick. You weren't even a SECOND round pick... YOU WERE A THIRD ROUND PICK! Get your ass in camp and make them WANT to give you more money.


Just my humble opinion...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe the draftees need to get on their agents butts to get a deal done now.

someone says this every year and every year it just strikes me as a somewhat dumb comment. the players hire the agents for a reason, to get them the best contract they can. they hire particular agents for reasons too. the agents of dansby and dockett are notorious for holdouts and tough negotiations. don't make it seem like the evil agents are behind all this and the players just want to play. there are no clean characters in contract negotiations. everyone, including the cardinals organization, is out for themselves. dansby and dockett calling their agents would do NOTHING unless they decided to cave for less than what they and their agents have decided is fair market value.

 

[PAQ77]

someone says this every year and every year it just strikes me as a somewhat dumb comment. the players hire the agents for a reason, to get them the best contract they can. they hire particular agents for reasons too. the agents of dansby and dockett are notorious for holdouts and tough negotiations. don't make it seem like the evil agents are behind all this and the players just want to play. there are no clean characters in contract negotiations. everyone, including the cardinals organization, is out for themselves. dansby and dockett calling their agents would do NOTHING unless they decided to cave for less than what they and their agents have decided is fair market value.

I agree in some sense... But I do think that players can call their agents and tell them to get a little more creative in structuring their version of a contract to speed up the process. I agree with ya that the players and agents are probably on the same page as far as the negotiating process is concerned.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I just don't get how a third round pick has the balls to hold out. I don't care if you have first round potential... You were NOT a first round pick. You weren't even a SECOND round pick... YOU WERE A THIRD ROUND PICK! Get your ass in camp and make them WANT to give you more money.


Just my humble opinion...

if the cards are lowballing the signing bonus as some on this thread suggest the onus is not on the player but the cards organization.

as for getting into camp and making them WANT to give you more money, well, that's just ridiculous. this is football. you have a very short average career span. an injury could take it all away in an instant. you have to get as much guaranteed money as possible. if the signing bonus is a lowball offer, the player HAS to hold out, third rounder or not. detach emotion and look at the situation objectively.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

if the cards are lowballing the signing bonus as some on this thread suggest the onus is not on the player but the cards organization.

as for getting into camp and making them WANT to give you more money, well, that's just ridiculous. this is football. you have a very short average career span. an injury could take it all away in an instant. you have to get as much guaranteed money as possible. if the signing bonus is a lowball offer, the player HAS to hold out, third rounder or not. detach emotion and look at the situation objectively.

 

[Sandan]

if the cards are lowballing the signing bonus as some on this thread suggest the onus is not on the player but the cards organization.

Or conversely, if the agents are asking for unrealistic contracts then the onus is on them to compromise.

Why the assumption that it is the Cardinals that are the roadblock, they wern't with Fitz.

 

[Shane]

Or conversely, if the agents are asking for unrealistic contracts then the onus is on them to compromise.

Why the assumption that it is the Cardinals that are the roadblock, they wern't with Fitz.

Regardless of Fitz history of this organization dictates that train of thought.

But I agree I think the agents are asking for unrealistic amounts.

 

[Sandan]

Since Rod Graves took over these things seem to have gone much smoother

 

[PAQ77]

if the cards are lowballing the signing bonus as some on this thread suggest the onus is not on the player but the cards organization.

as for getting into camp and making them WANT to give you more money, well, that's just ridiculous. this is football. you have a very short average career span. an injury could take it all away in an instant. you have to get as much guaranteed money as possible. if the signing bonus is a lowball offer, the player HAS to hold out, third rounder or not. detach emotion and look at the situation objectively.

But what if the Cards are not lowballing him and Dock and his agent just want more money due to his supposed first round talent? Then what? What if they want second round money? Should the club give in to the agent and player because rumor had it that he should have been a top 32 pick? Now, if THAT'S the case, screw him and his short average career span. Like I said, take the money they're giving you, play your heart out and make them want to give you more money. Make them want to renogotiate your contract after a year or two. Your right in that this is football and your career can end in a second. But this IS football and it's a game about proving yourself to your employers if you want the big money. If they are not willing to take that risk, they probably shouldn't have entered the draft.

I guess nobody really knows what the situation is but I just hope Dock and Dansby get into camp soon so we can start talking about actual football rather than contract negotiations.