Dockett on the Radio this morning. 3-6-10

[joeshmo]

Congratulated all three players.

Cant sit back and dwell on it. Initial reaction was hurt. At the end of the day you have to move forward. Guys like Fitz, Wilson, and himself have to work even harder, they have to put more time in the weight room, put more time in the film room. Every team losses players and you just have to deal with it. The teams that deal with it the best are the best teams. As long as he is there they will always have an attitude, always compete and will always work hard. He really appreciates the teams efforts, especially the coaches in trying hard to keep Dansby and Rolle. Note, that he got the word about how hard the team worked to keep them from the players themselves (Dansby and Rolle).

As long as we have the best Strength coach, the best Head coach and a solid staff behind him they are always going to win they are always going to compete, they are always going to compete. No excuses, they will be prepared to win.

Not worried about his contract. Has two years to work still. It will work itself out.

On Matt, he knows he is already working out, already working hard and has the right mind set. But they need to help him by playing better D, they gave up to many big plays last year that hurt our O.

Doesn't want fans to lose faith, the players have to work harder, the fans have to expect more, and any players that come in better be prepared to work.

Didn't say anything negative or disparaging.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

we'll see what happens if his contract doesn't get re-done. He knows right now that he's in line for a new deal so he's playing the good soldier. Let's see his reaction when the Cards come in with their ridiculous first offer.

 

[joeshmo]

we'll see what happens if his contract doesn't get re-done. He knows right now that he's in line for a new deal so he's playing the good soldier. Let's see his reaction when the Cards come in with their ridiculous first offer.

You say that like its a fact that is what will happen. The only player the Cards have ever done that to was Boldin. Wilson, Dansby, and Rolle did not get ridiculous first offers.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You say that like its a fact that is what will happen. The only player the Cards have ever done that to was Boldin. Wilson, Dansby, and Rolle did not get ridiculous first offers.

Fact, or no fact, I'll put my money on RG coming with a low ball first offer. We don't know what their 1st offer was. We do know they waited too long to give their best offer.

 

[Buckybird]

You say that like its a fact that is what will happen. The only player the Cards have ever done that to was Boldin. Wilson, Dansby, and Rolle did not get ridiculous first offers.

Obviously they did because they never signed. Again, I understand the why & how they are playing elsewhere but this team has a history of holdouts & drawn out negiatiations with its own. Everyone thinks its a given DD wil resign here, but who's to say he isn't pissed about his buds & teammates leaving. He has openly stated that if he wasn't signed this offseason he will sign with another NFC West team. Maybe he's bluffing maybe he isn't. Maybe the players don't trust RG or ownership to pay them what they feel they are worth. We will see.

 

[Buckybird]

Fact, or no fact, I'll put my money on RG coming with a low ball first offer. We don't know what their 1st offer was. We do know they waited too long to give their best offer.

you tell 'em Cbus, I'm with ya. As long as Mr. B still has a breath some part of this franchise will never change. RG is the puppet & Mr. B is the puppetmaster.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Obviously they did because they never signed. Again, I understand the why & how they are playing elsewhere but this team has a history of holdouts & drawn out negiatiations with its own. Everyone thinks its a given DD wil resign here, but who's to say he isn't pissed about his buds & teammates leaving. He has openly stated that if he wasn't signed this offseason he will sign with another NFC West team. Maybe he's bluffing maybe he isn't. Maybe the players don't trust RG or ownership to pay them what they feel they are worth. We will see.

Good points. Also throw in that RG let Warner hit the open market and visited SF after playing lights out and leading the Cards to th SB.I guarantee if Warner had been a couple years younger, he would have been gone as well.

 

[joeshmo]

Fact, or no fact, I'll put my money on RG coming with a low ball first offer. We don't know what their 1st offer was. We do know they waited too long to give their best offer.

You don't go straight from ridiculous offer straight to offers that would make them some of the highest paid players at their positions. It just doesn't work that way. Plus I know for a fact that none of them got ridiculous offers to start with. Not to mention Drew has already given the Cards an offer last year.

You can go ahead and put money on it, but so far the odds are at 25% with it happening to only one player out of 4 so far.

Graves just tried to make Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL. Tried giving Dansby 8.7 mill a year and 20+ mill guaranteed. We have been on average the top 10 spenders in terms of Salaries in the NFL the last 5 years now. The top 5 in coaching salaries in the last 4 years now. People are still worried about us trying to be cheap, I don't get it.

 

[Gee!]

Obviously they did because they never signed. Again, I understand the why & how they are playing elsewhere but this team has a history of holdouts & drawn out negiatiations with its own. Everyone thinks its a given DD wil resign here, but who's to say he isn't pissed about his buds & teammates leaving. He has openly stated that if he wasn't signed this offseason he will sign with another NFC West team. Maybe he's bluffing maybe he isn't. Maybe the players don't trust RG or ownership to pay them what they feel they are worth. We will see.

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[40yearfan]

You don't go straight from ridiculous offer straight to offers that would make them some of the highest paid players at their positions. It just doesn't work that way. Plus I know for a fact that none of them got ridiculous offers to start with. Not to mention Drew has already given the Cards an offer last year.

You can go ahead and put money on it, but so far the odds are at 25% with it happening to only one player out of 4 so far.

Graves just tried to make Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL. Tried giving Dansby 8.7 mill a year and 20+ mill guaranteed. We have been on average the top 10 spenders in terms of Salaries in the NFL the last 5 years now. The top 5 in coaching salaries in the last 4 years now. People are still worried about us trying to be cheap, I don't get it.

Chronic complainers prefer the past. It gives them something to hang onto.

 

[joeshmo]

Obviously they did because they never signed.

Obviously?

That doesn't make sense at all.

We are talking about "ridiculously low offers". Just because they didn't sign doesn't mean the first offer was "ridiculous" it just means it wasn't high enough. Ridiculous is trying to get Boldin to Extend without any signing bonus. It is not ridiculous to try to pay Dansby 7 mill per year to start off with in negotiations.

 

[Gee!]

Personally.. From watching Docketts twitter this week, he seems to be happy in AZ and seems like he is truly hurt by his buds leaving because he wants to make it happen here in AZ.. Dockett can be all over the place at times on that twitter, but if youve followed him enuff on it, what he's been saying this week seems genuine..

 

[Buckybird]

You don't go straight from ridiculous offer straight to offers that would make them some of the highest paid players at their positions. It just doesn't work that way. Plus I know for a fact that none of them got ridiculous offers to start with. Not to mention Drew has already given the Cards an offer last year.

You can go ahead and put money on it, but so far the odds are at 25% with it happening to only one player out of 4 so far.

Graves just tried to make Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL. Tried giving Dansby 8.7 mill a year and 20+ mill guaranteed. We have been on average the top 10 spenders in terms of Salaries in the NFL the last 5 years now. The top 5 in coaching salaries in the last 4 years now. People are still worried about us trying to be cheap, I don't get it.

It's all about the timing of the offers

Lets just see what happens with DD & Fitz in the future

 

[joeshmo]

He has openly stated that if he wasn't signed this offseason he will sign with another NFC West team. Maybe he's bluffing maybe he isn't.

He also said he will just shut his mouth and just play. Dockett says a lot of things out of emotion on his twitter account, you cant actually take him seriously the comments he makes on Twitter.

Dockett also said we should sign Peppers on Twitter. Is he upset that didn't happen now?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You don't go straight from ridiculous offer straight to offers that would make them some of the highest paid players at their positions. It just doesn't work that way. Plus I know for a fact that none of them got ridiculous offers to start with. Not to mention Drew has already given the Cards an offer last year.

You can go ahead and put money on it, but so far the odds are at 25% with it happening to only one player out of 4 so far.

Graves just tried to make Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL. Tried giving Dansby 8.7 mill a year and 20+ mill guaranteed. We have been on average the top 10 spenders in terms of Salaries in the NFL the last 5 years now. The top 5 in coaching salaries in the last 4 years now. People are still worried about us trying to be cheap, I don't get it.

What did the Cards do with that offer? My guess is nothing. How do you know ,for a fact, what their first offer was. Obviously it wasn't anything close to getting a deal done.
I know you don't start out with you best offer but, at some point you have to progress to get close to an agreement. Graves may have tried to make Rolle and Dansby high paid players. Too bad it was after the fact. My point is why did they wait until these guys were ready to sign with someone else to make those offers? It wouldn't surprise me if they made those offers knowing they weren't going to be acccepted because it was too late in the game.

 

[Buckybird]

He also said he will just shut his mouth and just play. Dockett says a lot of things out of emotion on his twitter account, you cant actually take him seriously the comments he makes on Twitter.

Dockett also said we should sign Peppers on Twitter. Is he upset that didn't happen now?

I don't take all of his comments on twitter "as word" but its very possibly he could be insulted by the Cards 1st offer & never be willing to take another offer seriously after than, thus moving on. I still think many of the Cards players believe "cheap" is still part of the Cards philosphy

 

[joeshmo]

It's all about the timing of the offers

Lets just see what happens with DD & Fitz in the future

But we were talking about "first offers" not timing.

Timing is another issue, which I would tend to agree with in some but not all situations, such as Warner and Rolle, but not with Wilson, Boldin, or Dansby(who has always had great offers on the table for a year now).

 

[joeshmo]

I don't take all of his comments on twitter "as word" but its very possibly he could be insulted by the Cards 1st offer & never be willing to take another offer seriously after than, thus moving on.

Well he has 3 years to wait an move on.

Also his agent is Drew, Drew will never stop negotiating, Drew doesn't get insulted or let personal feelings into the mix, its why players like him. Its why Boldin dropped him as well. Drew was trying to keep negotiating when Boldin told him to stop.

 

[Cardiac]

Fact, or no fact, I'll put my money on RG coming with a low ball first offer. We don't know what their 1st offer was. We do know they waited too long to give their best offer.

you tell 'em Cbus, I'm with ya. As long as Mr. B still has a breath some part of this franchise will never change. RG is the puppet & Mr. B is the puppetmaster.

Good points. Also throw in that RG let Warner hit the open market and visited SF after playing lights out and leading the Cards to th SB.I guarantee if Warner had been a couple years younger, he would have been gone as well.

It's all about the timing of the offers

Lets just see what happens with DD & Fitz in the future

What did the Cards do with that offer? My guess is nothing. How do you know ,for a fact, what their first offer was. Obviously it wasn't anything close to getting a deal done.
I know you don't start out with you best offer but, at some point you have to progress to get close to an agreement. Graves may have tried to make Rolle and Dansby high paid players. Too bad it was after the fact. My point is why did they wait until these guys were ready to sign with someone else to make those offers? It wouldn't surprise me if they made those offers knowing they weren't going to be acccepted because it was too late in the game.

Chronic complainers prefer the past. It gives them something to hang onto.

Finally someone besides Joeshmo making some sense.

 

[Buckybird]

But we were talking about "first offers" not timing.

Timing is another issue, which I would tend to agree with in some but not all situations, such as Warner and Rolle, but not with Wilson, Boldin, or Dansby(who has always had great offers on the table for a year now).

sorry I wasn't more specific Joe, I was talking about MJ talking about the Cards trying to negotiate with Dansby & Rolle as free agency began & after. Dansby had a fair offer last year, but he obviously wanted more & they countered yesterday & thats too late

 

[Cardiac]

sorry I wasn't more specific Joe, I was talking about MJ talking about the Cards trying to negotiate with Dansby & Rolle as free agency began & after. Dansby had a fair offer last year, but he obviously wanted more & they countered yesterday & thats too late

Do you really believe Los was going to accept an offer from the Cards without hearing from another team? Really?
He knew that without getting an offer from someone besides the Cards he wouldn't know how high is high.

 

[joeshmo]

We got off topic.

Dockett sounded great and more up beat then I thought he would. I think he is more hurt about losing some friends then anything else, but he truly believes in Wiz and the staff he built.

 

[Buckybird]

Do you really believe Los was going to accept an offer from the Cards without hearing from another team? Really?
He knew that without getting an offer from someone besides the Cards he wouldn't know how high is high.

If the Cards had offered him that deal (yesterdays) last year before franchising him again, I just don't beleive his in Miami right now. How about 2 years ago? How much did we pay him by the tage the last 2 seasons? How much did Miami give him guaranteed? I rest my case.

 

[Cardiac]

If the Cards had offered him that deal (yesterdays) last year before franchising him again, I just don't beleive his in Miami right now

Well you are wrong. He wanted 30 mil guarenteed and didn't get it.

I get that some want to think there was a way to avoid what happened. If not then this could happen to any player and we are just bags of water on a rock hurdeling through the cosmos with no control over anything.

 

[Cardiac]

We got off topic.

Dockett sounded great and more up beat then I thought he would. I think he is more hurt about losing some friends then anything else, but he truly believes in Wiz and the staff he built.

This is the best news we have had in the past 2 days.