Does anybody else see how the coaching staff cost us this game?

[D-Dogg]

You have to have a 2 point conversion at 10:08 left or when we were on the final TD drive. So question becomes which is better?

Option #1 - 10:08 score a TD, go for 2-point conversion miss it and know your down by 2 full TD's now, and have 10:08 in time to know how you have to play for those 2 TD's.

Option #2 - 10:08 score a TD, go for 2-point conversion make it and know you need a TD and FG to tie the game with 10:08 and again know how you have to play to get that TD/FG.

Option #3 - 10:08 score a TD, go for extra point obviously make it and know you need a TD w/2-point conversion and FG. Now do you play for a TD and a FG option? Lets say the game happens almost the exact same way as before except we score the extra point, so we end up with 4th and 13 at the Min 15 with 3:17 to go, we kick the field goal. So now down by a TD + 2 point conversion. questions now abound on how you play and where your at, do you kickoff and hope your defense stops them, go for the onside kick and since Minnesota knows the game is now alot closer with 3 minutes on the game do they do better on the onside coverage? And knowing the percentages of 2-point conversions anyways how much time do you really have to get the ball back to score that TD and 2-pointer? I mean lets assume we go ahead and kick the onsides then, do we take more time going down to score the TD and miss the 2-point then thinking all we need is the 1 score and then no time on the clock to try to get another score?

Conventional wisdom in the NFL states when you get into the 4th quarter you take the shot at the 2-points so you know exactly where you stand as opposed to having it hanging over your head. I was all for the 2-point attempt, just wish we had made it.

Perfectly stated...absolutely perfect.

I am 100% in agreement.

 

[D-Dogg]

If you kick the extra point, you KNOW we are down 11 pts. A fg, atd and a 2 pt conversion. By NOT kicking the extra point makes it mandatory to go for 2 td's .
Down only 11 pts our next possesion would have meant that we had an option to kick a field goal to make it an 8 pt game instead of going for the td, failing and coming away with no pts which is exactly what happened. HAd we kicked the extra point we WOULD have kicked a fg with 3:08 left to play to make it an 8 pt game. AT the :58 mark we scored and would have THEN been forced to go for the 2 pts. Make it we're tied. Miss it we go onside which we happened to recover and would have only needed a FG to win.
Call me crazy, but with 10 minutes to play I would rather have my team in a 2 possession situation, with 1 of those possessions only needing to be a fg.
This is not hindsight on my part . I was screaming at the tv when we went for the 2 pts.

It's nowhere near as cut and dry as you are trying to make it. Most NFL coaches would have gone for it there, just as Denny did. There is a long list of things you can bash Denny about...this isn't on that list.

 

[john h]

He would've been second-guessed just as hard if he hadn't gone for two there.

Most teams have a chart as to when to go for two in any situation and with any score. They do not need to discuss it as they have the stats in front of them. That being said you never know if DG went against the chart or not.

 

[gusmahler]

If you kick the extra point, you KNOW we are down 11 pts. A fg, atd and a 2 pt conversion. By NOT kicking the extra point makes it mandatory to go for 2 td's .
Down only 11 pts our next possesion would have meant that we had an option to kick a field goal to make it an 8 pt game instead of going for the td, failing and coming away with no pts which is exactly what happened. HAd we kicked the extra point we WOULD have kicked a fg with 3:08 left to play to make it an 8 pt game. AT the :58 mark we scored and would have THEN been forced to go for the 2 pts. Make it we're tied. Miss it we go onside which we happened to recover and would have only needed a FG to win.
Call me crazy, but with 10 minutes to play I would rather have my team in a 2 possession situation, with 1 of those possessions only needing to be a fg.
This is not hindsight on my part . I was screaming at the tv when we went for the 2 pts.

There is absolutely no difference between going for 2 with 10 minutes left and going for 2 with less than 2 minutes left. In fact, in addition to the arguments above wrt to knowing how to plan, you also have the fact that the defense will be trying harder with 2 minutes left than with 10 minutes left.

 

[Duckjake]

Last night Seattle went for two with about 14 minutes left in the fourth quarter. They trailed 21-19 before the TD.

The difference is that the Seahawks were successful making the score 27-21 in their favor.

 

[Pariah]

Last night Seattle went for two with about 14 minutes left in the fourth quarter. They trailed 21-19 before the TD.

Mike Holmgren is an idiot. What has he ever won?

 

[earthsci]

Mike Holmgren is an idiot. What has he ever won?

Ummm....the Super Bowl.

 

[Pariah]

Ummm....the Super Bowl.

Sarcasm, catch it.

 

[earthsci]

Sarcasm, catch it.

Weiner

 

[Russ Smith]

Mike Holmgren is an idiot. What has he ever won?

Sort of a tangent but in my local paper today they had a list of the 10 best CCS highschool football championship games ever (Central Coast Section). One of the games was Oak Grove beating St. Francis 52-7 in the title game after St Francis allowed 62 points in the previous 11 games.

The Offensive Coordinator for Oak Grove was Mike Holmgren, the QB was Marty Morninhweg! That's just not fair in a HS game.