Does anyone know if this is legal?

[JCSunsfan]

Let's say the Suns want to pick up Gadzuric in trade (Milwaukee papers are speculating that Phoenix would be a good place to deal him if the Bucks decide to put him on the market).

Gadzuric's deal is 4.7 mil. Jim Jackson is 2.7 mil. In order to get within 25% (3.52 mil) we would have to add about $850,000 in a salary (plus a pick or two) to get him.

Could we use the trade exception to pick up a $1 million player (there are scads of them) then combine that player, with Jackson and picks, to get Gadzuric? The only hindrance would be if there is some rule about having to wait a period of time before dealing a player that you just traded for. I think there is some rule like that concerning FA's but I don't know of any restrictions on dealing recently traded players.

Its a way to get around that "you can't combine the trade exception" thing.

 

[scotsman13]

first of all you cant sign a play for the TE. you have to make a trade to get them. so you make a trade and pick up a million dollar player if you did it as a multi part trade you could then trade for Gadzuric at the same time. giving them jim jackson and the million dollar player and walk away with Gadzuric but why? why would the bucks want jim jackson at 34 almost 35 and what would Gadzuric bring for the suns?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Like Scotts said, you cannot sign a player with the TE.

We could however make a deal with a team for a 2 million dollar player and trade him again 30 days later (IIRC that is the timeframe).

The player could not be on a minimum deal because that involves using a different exception and the salary wouldn't be added into our total we are sending out.


The real question is how much the Bucks would want from us. They may not have a ton of time for him, but he is still getting decent minutes with Smith hurt. And they certainly won't just give him away.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

What's the deal witheveryone always wanting to trade Jimmy Jax? I understand he is one of our most tradeable pieces, but I want him on my team, not somewhere else. He is a highly valuable piece to this team. Frankly, I'm sick of all these trade proposals involving JJax. I'd rather unload some players from the back half of our bench and package them with a moderately conditioned 1st than trade JJax. That said, I think Gadzuric would be a decent addition for this team....

 

[Yuma]

I'm thinking the Bucs would take pieces in trade, not necessarily a player of Jackson's level, the TE, and the icing on the cake for them would be one of the Atlanta first round picks we got in the JJ deal. As bad as ATL is playing now, I'm sure that's what they are after, protected pick or not.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK, pardon my terminology. I meant "pick up" as in trade for a player--from $850,000 to $2.5 million. I do know that you can't use the TE to sign FA's.

Second. This is a hypothetical situation. I'm not advocating getting rid of JJax, its just that his contract works best in most trade scenarios. Nothing personal. While it would be great to unload players from the back half of the bench, none of them make enough to really be of value in trade.

Third. I wasn't even thinking about what the Bucks would want. I was just trying to figure out a way to combine the TE and a player to get a player of a higher salary. It seems it might be possible if a 3rd team is included.

Here is the general idea.

Use the trade exception, (plus a pick?) to get a player that Milwaukee wants (or a player that can be cap fodder for the purpose of trade).

Combine that player with a player from our present roster in trade for Gadzuric (or whoever).

This post really isn't about advocating a particular trade, its about understanding what our options might be.

 

[Errntknght]

I don't see where there would be a problem with what you are suggesting. We can certainly use our TE to trade for another player - thus completing the non-simultaneous trade that began with us trading JJ. After a waiting period, if there is any, we could trade that player so, of course, we could trade him to Milwaukee - and use the normal 25% trade exception. Now if we want to combine him with JJax or someone else in that trade we may have a longer waiting period - I'm no expert on this stuff but I seem to recall multi-player trades sometimes require a longer waiting period.

 

[jlove]

JCSUNSFAN.....It would be awesome if the Suns could get Gadzuric. With Amare out for at least 4 months (I'm getting to the point where I think he may not be back this year), Gadzuric ($4.75 Mil) could be the low post threat we do not have right now. A way to get him here without giving up much, would be the rest of the TE (2.5 Mil) that we have along with either J Jax ($2.7 Mil) and Lakers first rounder OR $2.5 mil TE plus combo of some of our bigs and smalls (Burke--> Approx. $400K, Ford--> Approx. $380K, Reiner --> Approx. $380k, House --> $836K, Barbosa --> $930K, Grant --> $1.67 mil) plus Lakers 1st rounder. We would be a little hard pressed, but I'm sure if the BC is interested, hw would work something out for us.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Jlove, you cannot combine players and the TE like that

 

[panfolk]

What's the deal witheveryone always wanting to trade Jimmy Jax? I understand he is one of our most tradeable pieces, but I want him on my team, not somewhere else. He is a highly valuable piece to this team. Frankly, I'm sick of all these trade proposals involving JJax. I'd rather unload some players from the back half of our bench and package them with a moderately conditioned 1st than trade JJax. That said, I think Gadzuric would be a decent addition for this team....

I think JimJ has become expendable. Barbosa is turning into a nice 2 guard and with Diaw playing PF Jones and Marion can split minutes at the 3. If you look at the box scores JimJ is 3rd or 4th in most games for bench minutes. I am opposed to any trade involving a starter, Diaw, Barbosa, or Grant. Those players will be instrumental in our future and are at bargain basement prices still. Now Burke I would personally not like traded because I like what I've seen of him this far but I could understand throwing him into a trade for business' sake.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I think JimJ has become expendable. Barbosa is turning into a nice 2 guard and with Diaw playing PF Jones and Marion can split minutes at the 3. If you look at the box scores JimJ is 3rd or 4th in most games for bench minutes. I am opposed to any trade involving a starter, Diaw, Barbosa, or Grant. Those players will be instrumental in our future and are at bargain basement prices still. Now Burke I would personally not like traded because I like what I've seen of him this far but I could understand throwing him into a trade for business' sake.

Yeah, because Barbosa has proven consitent over a long period of time, now....

JJax has proven to be a valuable veteran leader and a calming influence on the floor when things get squirrelly. The fact that we have a player as good as JJax as our 3rd or 4th bench option is simply a testament to our great depth even WITHOUT Stouds. What a great luxury it is to have depth like that. Teams do not win the ring without depth and JJax is a perfect complement to this team I'm all for throwing picks, cash and lower bench players along with our remaining TE to make a trade, but what we could get salarywise using JJax in trade combined with the other pieces would be a net loss, in my opinion. For that reason, JJax is "essentially" untradeable....

 

[Errntknght]

jlove, "Gadzuric ($4.75 Mil) could be the low post threat we do not have right now."

I haven't seen Gads play very much but what I did see of him he wasn't a low post threat. He faced up and shot medium distance jumpers.

Actually, Nash is turning KT into more of a low post threat than he's ever been before.

 

[jlove]

Jlove, you cannot combine players and the TE like that

Graham, do we have to through all this again? Atlanta traded Diaw, 2 future 1st rounders and a $4.9 mil TE to the Suns for JJ.

So, you can trade a player along with the TE for another player. The only way you can't do the trade would be if it was a group of players and the TE for more than one player in return.

 

[Chaplin]

Graham, do we have to through all this again? Atlanta traded Diaw, 2 future 1st rounders and a $4.9 mil TE to the Suns for JJ.

So, you can trade a player along with the TE for another player. The only way you can't do the trade would be if it was a group of players and the TE for more than one player in return.

Wrong.

The Hawks did not trade a TE. A TE was created when the trade occured to make up for the rest of the salary. The TE did NOT EXIST before the trade happened.

 

[elindholm]

Graham, do we have to through all this again?

That's up to you. I posted an answer from Larry Coon himself, so if that's not good enough for you, I'm not sure what else can be done.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Wrong.

The Hawks did not trade a TE. A TE was created when the trade occured to make up for the rest of the salary. The TE did NOT EXIST before the trade happened.

Exactly.

 

[nowagimp]

JCSUNSFAN.....It would be awesome if the Suns could get Gadzuric. With Amare out for at least 4 months (I'm getting to the point where I think he may not be back this year), Gadzuric ($4.75 Mil) could be the low post threat we do not have right now. A way to get him here without giving up much, would be the rest of the TE (2.5 Mil) that we have along with either J Jax ($2.7 Mil) and Lakers first rounder OR $2.5 mil TE plus combo of some of our bigs and smalls (Burke--> Approx. $400K, Ford--> Approx. $380K, Reiner --> Approx. $380k, House --> $836K, Barbosa --> $930K, Grant --> $1.67 mil) plus Lakers 1st rounder. We would be a little hard pressed, but I'm sure if the BC is interested, hw would work something out for us.

I can't believe that Gadzuric is going to draw double teams on the low block and free up our outside shooters. I also cant believe that we would trade J. Jax and Barbosa for a guy that probably cant defend his (C) position. I can just see our fast break then, with KT and Gadzuric leading the way.