Does everybody have to be right, or do you want your team to win

[CardLogic]

Ha ha. Good story, BRR!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

6-2 vs 2-6 tells a different story.

Agreed.

What I don't get is why people are being looked down upon because they don't blindly follow Kolb.

The reason being "do you want to be right or do you want to win"

Uh. Why don't some of these people turn that judgemental eye back on themselves. Cause last time I checked Skelton was the QB with the winning record.

And no, I don't need to hear the 1,000 excuses why Kolb woulda, shoulda, coulda done this or that. Check the record for last season, it is what it is. No, amount of excuses or arguements in the world are going to make the NFL go back and change the record.

To then go out, and say your opinion of the matter is fact, and then say people that don't agree are bad fans ? Well, what else is there to say about that logic ?

I say, continue to debate and let it play out. We have been through this before with Warner and Leinart. I was a huge Leinart supporter, but was more than happy once Warner exploded onto the scene.

 

[ryanshaug]

A story for entertainment about being right:

Wednesday my black lab caught a bird in the back yard. She was running around wagging her tail happiuly with this bird in her mouth. I noticed the birds head was still moving and the wife and daughter were concerned so I advised them to get the bird. Once the bird was removed from the dogs mouth we noticed it was mostly fine. We put it in a small box and it could walk / possibly had wing damage or it would have flown away. The girls continued to place the box on my grill in the back yard.

From here I say: put it in the front yard, the dogs are going to figure out a way to do it.

An argument ensued. My idea was not a good idea. I am mean and dont care about the bird. They will put it out front when the time comes.

I cool off and say whatever. They take the box and put it on the playground and put the dogs inside. The dogs cannot get onto the playground so its a good spot in theory.

Over the next hour the bird gets out of the box. its walking around on the bplayground. Awesome. Bird jumps and glides to the ground. Excellent ; progress. Bird goes over and hangs out under a bush.

20 minutes later my daughter goes back outside and the bird is gone. Did the bird fly away? Likely not, it may be in the bush or something but im busy and dont want to go look for it.

Wife asks if she should let the dogs out and I say probably not. A few minutes later she goes outside to smoke and lets the dogs out. within seconds my Black lab again d a bird hanging from its mouth and instantly chops it in half like it knew it would lose it again if it did not take action.

My daughter wasnt out there so we didnt tell her it happened but the wife was upset. I didnt have to say a thing. I was right and she knew it.

Listen to me and put the bird out front. You may not think I am right but I am.

What I take from this story is that Kolb is the bird, and opposing defenses are your black lab.

 

[crisper57]

What I take from this story is that Kolb is the bird, and opposing defenses are your black lab.

What I take from it is that the wife probably still found a way to make it his fault, or at the very least, get even later on.

 

[BigRedRage]

What I take from it is that the wife probably still found a way to make it his fault, or at the very least, get even later on.

she went silent and let it go. I won this round.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes I just want to be right.

 

[Stout]

In my opinion, Kolb only has 16 games left to prove he is a starter, or he will be knocked back into the Leenart category forever. Skelton has time, and can benefit from every second of it, clipboard or on the field. I do think Kolb is the clear cut. Anything less would be uncivilized, his job to lose. I've said 14 hundred times I like Skelton, but I be thinking Kolb does bring the better stats and the best opportunity to win, and only time will tell.

You contradict your own thread title. You simply *have* to be right about this. You are quite wrong, because you refuse the middle ground. Sure, I think Skelton should be the starter, but I'm cool with an open competition (as long as it is actually an open competition). Others are Kolb backers, but are cool with an open competition. You flatly deny there should be a competition and, based on absolutely nothing, think Kolb should be handed the job. Ergo, you simply have to be right, and are one of the troublemakers you are referencing in your own thread. Right?

 

[john h]

This disgust for our QB is for lack of a better word...stupid. I don't usually take the Lord's name in vain, glad this is a keyboard. Judge him for what he does this season, what the Hell happened to that? I've made some cool predictions, we all have, but this yard burning is stupid dot com. Everybody loves Larry, nobody loves the O-line, yada yada.

Funk yall!!!! I got love for Kevin Kolb. Betted he would last the season so please keep that drama in your own threads. You want to diss the guy keep dissing him on all those awsome threads you created.

Tired of it. everybody, let him play, over-reacting like some Phrazbits. We better than that.

I think that bottom line is that every fan on this board would be thrilled if Kevin Kolb stepped up and became an elite QB. Same with Skelton. None of us want either to fail. What we are hearing from the negative post is based on performance from last year not on what we hope will happen this year. We all have good reasons to be skeptical and the board serves a good purpose in allowing us to vent our skepticism. Our future next year rest largely on our QB's. They are likely the ones who will determine if we win the division or not. I read a lot of complaints on the board I do not like but each is expressing his feelings just as I express mine. If we all agreed on everything the board would be a dull place. I look forward to the coming season knowing if one of these QB's steps up we could have a good year.

 

[john h]

I agree, aside from the drunk/sober jab. Shouldn't have gone there, my bad. My opinion (still a safe word right?) is that everybody is dissing stuff that hasn't happened yet. And turning to Skelton (who I do love and don't have to diss), we have 2 QBs.

Kevin Kolb is our starter, John Skelton is our back up and he is a good one with all things considered. That simple.

Not much simple that I can see. My baseball team the Cubs are now officially the worst team in all of baseball and headed for a 100+ year worst record. I cannot wait for NFL season to start. I hope I have used up all my bad luck with the Cubs and have a lot of good luck to pass on to the Cards.

 

[john h]

But it isn't that simple. Last year, our biggest weakness, arguably, was at the QB position. It's great to hear that some fans are confident that it won't continue to be the anchor that holds us down but I don't see how anyone could fault the rest of us for having a concern or two. I'd love to see either or even both of them succeed but until I see real improvement I'll remain skeptical.

Steve

You sort of nailed it IMHO. I would be happy to see the devil himself walk out and become our all star QB. What Cardinal fan does not want one of these two QB's to become a great QB? I do not know either of them and have no personal attachment to either of them. I will be happy with either of them if they do well. I do have some skepticism about both of them which is well justified. Most of us do. No problem with hearing all the skeptics complain no matter which guy they think will be the man. Actually I learn some things from these negative post on occasion.

 

[desertdawg]

You contradict your own thread title. You simply *have* to be right about this. You are quite wrong, because you refuse the middle ground. Sure, I think Skelton should be the starter, but I'm cool with an open competition (as long as it is actually an open competition). Others are Kolb backers, but are cool with an open competition. You flatly deny there should be a competition and, based on absolutely nothing, think Kolb should be handed the job. Ergo, you simply have to be right, and are one of the troublemakers you are referencing in your own thread. Right?

Yamon, I am one complex dude.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Yamon, I am one complex dude.

Complex.... inferiority or superiority??? It's hard to tell sometimes...

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Complex.... inferiority or superiority??? It's hard to tell sometimes...

Well done.

 

[desertdawg]

Complex.... inferiority or superiority??? It's hard to tell sometimes...

I guess it's pick my poison at this point.

 

[THESMEL]

my Grades Rule! har Har
Leinart should still be our QB, Whiz was exactly wrong, completely and utterly. I have no doubts and never have, This team needed to adapt to ML's skill sets- but We keep an offense adapted to Warners skillsets and just force QB meat through Whiz's offense Grinder!BLEEDING ALL OVER THE FIELD

Mike miller has no nuts, He would not be OC on another NFL team and probably pretty far down the college ranks before he found another OC position he is qualified for, Thankfully Chris Miller was dismissed - not bad men but way over their heads as a coaches, just like Our QB's since Leinart.

Kolb is a low end starter qualty NFL QB great back up. He could win on a team that emphasized defense and a run game, I can't think of a QB that could thrive in this Cardinals offense? I don't think Kolb nor Skelton is the problem.

A poisonous fan culture remains but it is lead by Whiz! Deuce, Branch, A Smith, Reggie Wells, Dansby, Rolle, Q and on and on and on are not crying to return. My hope is that Beanie ran us closer to 40% rushing last year, than we have been since Levi Brown helped Edge get 1222 in 07.

I think another HC with a solid experienced NFL staff would have made the playoffs these last 2 years with current Cards talent. It is no great mistery? Its a lack of coaching fundementals, Horton has our defense playing fundementally sound and I applaud him. Yes turnovers are nice but not at the expense of poor fundementals.

Run 45% + and reduce the offensive turnover risks, take pressure off D and ST, play within NFL statistical norms and both QB's would be OK, skelton seems to have more upside.

 

[Red Dawn]

I think that bottom line is that almost every fan on this board would be thrilled if Kevin Kolb stepped up and became an elite QB. Same with Skelton.

^ This is it in a nutshell, with a minor addition.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Why cant it be both?

I hate BLOK as a player AND want the team to win. Until he proves otherwise, I will continue to harp on the putrid garbage he brings to a game on a weekly basis.

I will very gladly eat crow if he shows something else and becomes even an average QB.

Until then: KOLB FREAKING BLOWS!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Why cant it be both?

I hate BLOK as a player AND want the team to win. Until he proves otherwise, I will continue to harp on the putrid garbage he brings to a game on a weekly basis.

I will very gladly eat crow if he shows something else and becomes even an average QB.

Until then: KOLB FREAKING BLOWS!

LIAC, you're a good poster, and an asset to the board, but this is the kind of rant that polarizes the issue.

I think the OP is referring to view points like yours. It's so extreme that you don't give yourself any way to save face if you're wrong. We're all human, and in a situation like this, I bet you'll be sub-consciously pulling for Kolb to fail, even if that means the cards fail. Am I wrong? Because if I'm not, maybe I you can see how I think that pretty much sucks.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

LIAC, you're a good poster, and an asset to the board, but this is the kind of rant that polarizes the issue.

I think the OP is referring to view points like yours. It's so extreme that you don't give yourself any way to save face if you're wrong. We're all human, and in a situation like this, I bet you'll be sub-consciously pulling for Kolb to fail, even if that means the cards fail. Am I wrong? Because if I'm not, maybe I you can see how I think that pretty much sucks.

I do not root for anyone on the Cardinals to fail, because if they are failures, that usually means the team is a failure (especially at QB). I feel exactly the same way about BLOK that I did about DA. I never wanted him to fail, it hate him as a player becauase he just plain sucked.

Right now BLOK plain sucks, but I really mean it that I would gladly eat crow should he prove me wrong.

Until then, I will operate under the assumption that he is going to stink worse than a rotted skunk corpse.

 

[Gee!]

I can tell ya this..

Yes, I have done things that others dont approve of.. I, and alot of other Diehards did their time at SDS defending the Cards and Cards fans.. Maybe it wasnt the way you think you it should have been done.. But in the long run.. You needed people like us..

That being said..

I have never boo'd any Cardinals player at any game, much less a practice.. And I find it disgraceful..

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I do not root for anyone on the Cardinals to fail, because if they are failures, that usually means the team is a failure (especially at QB). I feel exactly the same way about BLOK that I did about DA. I never wanted him to fail, it hate him as a player becauase he just plain sucked.

Right now BLOK plain sucks, but I really mean it that I would gladly eat crow should he prove me wrong.
Until then, I will operate under the assumption that he is going to stink worse than a rotted skunk corpse.

Awesome. You may not care, but the bolded part above restores my faith in you sir.

Have a good evening!!

 

[Phrazbit]

I think everyone would be happy if any of the extremely rosey outlooks on a Cardinal QB came true.

I thought Warner was a washed up bum when the Cards signed him and was a waste of 8 mil per year and time spent on the QB position, but i was THRILLED to be wrong about him.

I thought Anderson was a complete pile of garbage and shouldnt have been a roster spot, much less the starters job and I screamed at my TV at his failures.

I offered in another thread to compose a glowing song about my misjudgement should Kolb prove me wrong, but that does not mean my opinion of him is any different and all I have seen of him so far only reinforces my view. Maybe he will have me composing sweet music in his name this time next year, but my expectation is that he wont be on the roster.

 

[Stout]

Why cant it be both?

I hate BLOK as a player AND want the team to win. Until he proves otherwise, I will continue to harp on the putrid garbage he brings to a game on a weekly basis.

I will very gladly eat crow if he shows something else and becomes even an average QB.

Until then: KOLB FREAKING BLOWS!

 

[Longcolts]

I neither root for or against Kolb or Skelton. What I AM rooting for is for one of them to be the quarterback we need to once again become a contender. Hell if Darnell Docket could turn out to be a quarterback I wouldn't care as long as he does the things necessary to help this team win!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I guess it's pick my poison at this point.

Do it!

Just say Kolb is the horse I am backing, and be done with it.

That is what I have done with Double Deuce. Let the best man win and all that, but I am rooting for Double Deuce.

After it all pans out, and we get our "winner" we will smoke a peace pipe is joint support of said starting QB.