Does Shaq Have Positive Trade Value?

[Mainstreet]

I just do not see the Suns making a long run in the playoffs or being a Championship contender. They shop for a backup PG and a backup big man at flea markets. I would rather they have considered a trade. Anyway, if the Suns are not going to win it, why not think about improving the team long term?

I have mixed feelings but with so many fans locked onto Amare, I wonder what the Suns could get for Shaq if they shopped him? He's proven he can be a legit center this season. Just curious if he could return some positive assets. I just don't see the Suns commitment to win it all this season.

I can understand if fans are content with how the Suns are playing not to make a move. However, I'm not feeling good about the team right now. I figure if the Suns got something positive in return, they could always return to playing a 7 seconds or less and play just about as good.

 

[Covert Rain]

After what the Cards just did on Sunday, I say letting us ride it out is the best move. I wouldn't be too confident if the Suns eeked into the playoffs. However, it sounds cliche but once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.

IMO the way Shaq is playing....this team has a chance...even if it's a small one. Unless this teams goes into a complete tail spin I see no reason to blow it up.

Besides...a bigger issue is who you trade Shaq for. Unless it's for another legit center there is no point to it. Honestly, do you really want this team to go back to Amare as our center? How about Lopez? Amare never has been and never will be a center.

 

[Mainstreet]

After what the Cards just did on Sunday, I say letting us ride it out is the best move. I wouldn't be too confident if the Suns eeked into the playoffs. However, it sounds cliche but once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen.

IMO the way Shaq is playing....this team has a chance...even if it's a small one. Unless this teams goes into a complete tail spin I see no reason to blow it up.

Besides...a bigger issue is who you trade Shaq for. Unless it's for another legit center there is no point to it. Honestly, do you really want this team to go back to Amare as our center? How about Lopez? Amare never has been and never will be a center.

I periodically want to compare Shaq delivering a Championship to Miami and think he might be able to do the same in Phoenix. However, I also see how poorly the Suns play against teams like the Raptors and Minnesota. Also they frequently do not fair well against good teams. The Suns lack something and I'm not sure if it can be corrected. Maybe it's the illusive chemistry issue or the coaching. So if the Suns are not going to win it all, Shaq would have to be considered tradeable. I would want at least to add youth, hopefully pick(s), and a serviceable veteran in return.

Maybe the Suns start by looking at contenders who are only one player away. The Suns window is closing or maybe already closed. I think the Suns could easily return to 7 seconds or less and play just as well... and still build for the future. Again, I understand if you think you have the winning hand, you hold it. I don't think the Suns have the winning hand. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[JS22]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'd actually prefer trading Amare over Shaq if it ever came to that. Shaq brings leadership, and he is dominating most games. He's playing like he's 32.

Amare would net you a few solid players and possibly a nice pick. Unfortunately, it looks like Amare will always be a "very good" player. But never great.

 

[arwillan]

Amare will be very good for years to come, Shaq will be for another year or two.


that said, i doubt either is traded.

 

[Mainstreet]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'd actually prefer trading Amare over Shaq if it ever came to that. Shaq brings leadership, and he is dominating most games. He's playing like he's 32.

Amare would net you a few solid players and possibly a nice pick. Unfortunately, it looks like Amare will always be a "very good" player. But never great.

My thoughts flow this direction as well, however, many fans still hold onto the vision of a dominant Amare. So this is why I am looking to see if fans think Shaq has trading value.

 

[JS22]

I know that Shaq is probably done in a year or two. But Amare is, dare I say, overrated here. He is a VERY GOOD player, but he will never be great. He is incredibly dominate offensively when his mind is in the game. But other than that he is below average in the defense and rebounding department.

I know Shaq basically averages the same amount of rebounds per game, but Shaq is busy clogging the lane and boxing out. Amare is basically playing the Marion role now. Having the ability to grab most of the boards. But he doesn't. I don't know if he's lazy, or if he just doesn't have the rebounding skills that some 6'10 players do.

 

[green machine]

Yes, he'd have positive trade value, because he's good. And, for that reason, the Suns should not trade him.

 

[elindholm]

I could see O'Neal having positive trade value, but only to the right team. For example, Dallas would probably want him, and I imagine they'd be delighted to give up Josh Howard and whatever fillers were necessary. Detroit, another "window closing, one last gasp" team, could also be interested.

But I don't see the point. The Suns can't do anything this season or next anyway; they are just like nearly every other team in the league, biding their time until the summer of 2010. So they might as well enjoy the relative pleasures of 50-and-fade for as long as they can. If a young superstar in the making were to become available, of course that would be something to pursue, but I don't see O'Neal having that kind of value.

 

[Andrew]

You want to trade the most consistent player on this roster to get better? That doesn't make any sense, I would much rather do some small trade/aquistions like Lopez for a better big man and a veteran pg to backup Nash, not some drastic and unrealistic moves.

 

[Mainstreet]

You want to trade the most consistent player on this roster to get better? That doesn't make any sense, I would much rather do some small trade/aquistions like Lopez for a better big man and a veteran pg to backup Nash, not some drastic and unrealistic moves.

This thread was not meant for your eyes.

If the Suns are not going anywhere in the playoffs (or maybe not even make the playoffs) they better start thinking about rebuilding for the future. I look at it because Shaq has value now but is not a building block for the future (other than maintaining salary space for 2010). If there is solid NBA talent for Shaq out there now, I'd take it. I'm not a big believer in sitting and waiting for the future. I'm not sure Phoenix will attract any big names in 2010 anyhow. Probably a lot of those players will be extended.

 

[arwillan]

You want to trade the most consistent player on this roster to get better? That doesn't make any sense, I would much rather do some small trade/aquistions like Lopez for a better big man and a veteran pg to backup Nash, not some drastic and unrealistic moves.

Sure, because no other team watches the suns. they have no idea that lopez sucks, and they would be very willing to give up a big man and veteran point guard for him. What a great idea!

The title of the thread isn't "Let's trade Shaq". It's asking if people think he has any value in a trade.

 

[mojorizen7]

I could see O'Neal having positive trade value, but only to the right team. For example, Dallas would probably want him, and I imagine they'd be delighted to give up Josh Howard and whatever fillers were necessary. Detroit, another "window closing, one last gasp" team, could also be interested.

But I don't see the point. The Suns can't do anything this season or next anyway; they are just like nearly every other team in the league, biding their time until the summer of 2010. So they might as well enjoy the relative pleasures of 50-and-fade for as long as they can. If a young superstar in the making were to become available, of course that would be something to pursue, but I don't see O'Neal having that kind of value.

Agree.
Trading Shaq now would be incredibly dumbfounding in my eyes.
I also would think that if the FO were to decide to blow this thing up that Amare would obviously demand higher returns in any trade.

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Agree.
Trading Shaq now would be incredibly dumbfounding in my eyes.
I also would think that if the FO were to decide to blow this thing up that Amare would obviously demand higher returns in any trade.

Of course Amare would net us higher returns but when you factor in Shaq not being in here in 2 years while Amare might still be here, it makes sense that Shaq is the one on the block.


Would u rather have Amare and whoever the Suns get for Shaq?

or

Whatever the Suns get for Amare?

 

[Mainstreet]

Agree.
Trading Shaq now would be incredibly dumbfounding in my eyes.
I also would think that if the FO were to decide to blow this thing up that Amare would obviously demand higher returns in any trade.

This would be just a semi-blowup. If the team improves itself for the future, maybe the Suns keep Amare. A good young PG could really help the Suns now and into the future. It might not help the Suns win the big one but I still think the Suns could run themselves to 50 wins. Anyway, with or without Shaq, I don't like the Suns advancing more than the first round if that.

Look at it this way. The Suns move Marion + Banks for Shaq, then move Shaq for a trade that benefits the Suns long term.

 

[Mainstreet]

Of course Amare would net us higher returns but when you factor in Shaq not being in here in 2 years while Amare might still be here, it makes sense that Shaq is the one on the block.


Would u rather have Amare and whoever the Suns get for Shaq?

or

Whatever the Suns get for Amare?

We see this one alike.

 

[elindholm]

Would u rather have Amare and whoever the Suns get for Shaq?

or

Whatever the Suns get for Amare?

Why isn't the second option, "O'Neal and whoever the Suns get for Stoudemire"? That would be my choice.

 

[mojorizen7]

Of course Amare would net us higher returns but when you factor in Shaq not being in here in 2 years while Amare might still be here, it makes sense that Shaq is the one on the block.


Would u rather have Amare and whoever the Suns get for Shaq?

or

Whatever the Suns get for Amare?

If we're talking about blowing it up then you move Amare/Nash.
If we're talking about tweaking to win a title now then you move neither of the two(Amare/Shaq).

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Why isn't the second option, "O'Neal and whoever the Suns get for Stoudemire"? That would be my choice.

Because Shaq will not be here after next season. Unless u think he stays and him at 39 will be helpful to this team.

If we're talking about blowing it up then you move Amare/Nash.

Why would we trade Amare if we were blowing up? Why not look to trade Shaq/Nash for draft picks/younger players/cap space?

 

[mojorizen7]

Because Shaq will not be here after next season. Unless u think he stays and him at 39 will be helpful to this team.


Why would we trade Amare if we were blowing up? Why not look to trade Shaq/Nash for draft picks/younger players/cap space?

We agreed that Amare would garner higher returns than Shaq.....
IMO if you intend to blow it up you need to find the most efficient way to do it as well as quickly change the pieces(players) from those that have been here to move on to the new.....
Amare for whomever + high draft pick(s) would be the best way to quickly change the direction of this team IMO.
Shaq will be off the books soon after that and would allow some flexability to build on a foundation set in place by moving Amare.
P.S. I'm not neccessarily in favor of this, just sayin.
I would have blown it up last summer.

 

[AceP]

Trade Amare to the Bulls for Hinrich + Noah, should give us a good future and still a good team this season and next.

 

[AceP]

Follow up, if the bulls dont want to give up Noah, I'll take Tyrus Thomas or Drew Gooden, and their first round pick of this summer. They have little hope to make playoff, the pick might be quite high.

 

[Covert Rain]

I say we hold onto Shaq and trade Amare. I never thought I would EVER EVER say it. I have turned to the dark side on this issue. I am sorry. Amare has no post up game whatsoever and dissappears on defense and the boards. I am sick of him playing great one game and lousy the next.

In tonights game one of the announcers even said it. If Amare wants to be one of the elite players, he has to bring it every single night. He doesn't.

Let's not stop there though. Nash is not the same. He can't drive to the bucket, gets 8 assists per game but also gets about 3 to 5 turnovers. What about Barnes??? He was suppose to bring defense to this team which he has according to the SF position oppenents points per game stats. However, he is turning over the ball and we are relying on him for offense.

Sorry but I for the first time would be OK with trading Nash, Amare & possibly Barnes if that could get us 2 legit players in return who don't turn the ball over and someone who can rebound. That trade might not be there but it's time.

 

[mojorizen7]

No hindsight is 20/20 here(you can look it up), but i felt that when DA left, Nash,Bell,and to a certain extent....Amare & Barbosa should have followed.
I still think Barnes is a solid addition to any team including this one.
Kerr hired the wrong HC but it didn't help matters that DA's pedigree of players remained when Kerr decided to take the philosophy in a completely different direction.

 

[AceP]

We don't need to trade both Nash and Amare, we still have a good shot if we pull a right deal by either one of them. But if we trade both, it would be a total rebuild, then we'd better trade Shaq as he is the oldest one.