Does the Card Organization give a damn about the Fans?

[az jam]

I'm a season ticket holder in the Club section. This past off-season, I renewed my 3 year lease for tickets and now spend around $4,000 per year. I know that we will not win every game but I want a team out there that is entertaining and doing their best to win.

That is no longer the case with this team. The organization is in chaos. We have a GM that is totally inept and closes his door on trades and free agents when the season starts. We have a HC that is trying to prove a point and not putting the best players out there to win game. We had a hell of a better chance to beat the Rams and Jets with Skelton than Lindley. We also have an owner's son who now runs the team but appears to be a recluse and never addresses the media. The product that is on the field from an offensive viewpoint is a total embarrassment and the biggest joke in the NFL.

If Michael Bidwill doesn't clean house starting with Graves than he can take me to court to try and collect on the last 2 years of my lease. I won't be alone. When you see a sell out, it doesn't include the premium seats which is the Club Section. It is less than half full and will get worse.

This Board is against using profanity so I'll just end it now.

 

[desertdawg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrSXn3JOvAs

 

[100%CardsFan]

No

 

[PJ1]

I'm a season ticket holder in the Club section. This past off-season, I renewed my 3 year lease for tickets and now spend around $4,000 per year. I know that we will not win every game but I want a team out there that is entertaining and doing their best to win.

That is no longer the case with this team. The organization is in chaos. We have a GM that is totally inept and closes his door on trades and free agents when the season starts. We have a HC that is trying to prove a point and not putting the best players out there to win game. We had a hell of a better chance to beat the Rams and Jets with Skelton than Lindley. We also have an owner's son who now runs the team but appears to be a recluse and never addresses the media. The product that is on the field from an offensive viewpoint is a total embarrassment and the biggest joke in the NFL.

If Michael Bidwill doesn't clean house starting with Graves than he can take me to court to try and collect on the last 2 years of my lease. I won't be alone. When you see a sell out, it doesn't include the premium seats which is the Club Section. It is less than half full and will get worse.

This Board is against using profanity so I'll just end it now.

Feel for you. My investment is the NFL package and one miserable Sunday after another.

I guess it doesn't change until the Bidwill's are no longer in the picture.

Unfortunately for me I will probably be gone by then.

 

[100%CardsFan]

This Board is against using profanity so I'll just end it now.

Profanity deleted.

There you go..... Hope it helps cause I'll probably get a vacation from the mods but maybe I need one

 

[ANDY440]

Thank God I only have $30 seats,will keep getting them but you have the right to be a lot more upset than me

 

[RedViper]

Thank God I only have $30 seats,will keep getting them but you have the right to be a lot more upset than me

Me too. But I'm finally not renewing after 21 years. Even in the darkest days at SDS I never remember resenting the time and money I spent on this team like I have this year. I'm stepping down my fan-dom. End of an era. I'm sure I'll still always be a fan of this team, but I'm going to put less into it. I'm tired of having my Sundays ruined. Sick to death of it really. Maybe I'll hate it and sign up again in two years. But I doubt it.

 

[Stout]

To answer the thread title, only so far as to get the stadium filled. And they'd be fine if it was filled with opponents' fans, so no, they don't give a damn about us, one little bit.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Tonight, I'm going to dream that Mark Cuban buys the Arizona Cardinals.

 

[jw7]

Profanity deleted.

There you go..... Hope it helps cause I'll probably get a vacation from the mods but maybe I need one

No you won't be timed out. Save the foul language. You know the rules. Cooling off period after this abysmal game.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

To answer the thread title, only so far as to get the stadium filled. And they'd be fine if it was filled with opponents' fans, so no, they don't give a damn about us, one little bit.

Exacly this. I thought MB came out and said something like he wants to win, blah, blah few years ago. If he wants to back this up, he needs to realize how inept his front office is. If he replace Graves with some football minded guy, then I will give him a ton of credit trying to win. I am just about getting on "fire Whis" bandwagon, but really, I need to see Graves gone first.

 

[Chopper0080]

That is your choice as a purchaser.

 

[Duckjake]

The Bidwills definitely care about their fans. You can see it in the way the new stadium was constructed and in the terrific customer service you get from all areas of the Cardinals organization.

For some reason they just cannot get football. Is it the coaches, players or, scouts they hire? I really can't say because it just seems like no matter what they do it doesn't work.

 

[az jam]

The Bidwills definitely care about their fans. You can see it in the way the new stadium was constructed and in the terrific customer service you get from all areas of the Cardinals organization.

For some reason they just cannot get football. Is it the coaches, players or, scouts they hire? I really can't say because it just seems like no matter what they do it doesn't work.

Maybe they can do something really novel like bringing a real football executive to run the program.

 

[ANDY440]

The Bidwills definitely care about their fans. You can see it in the way the new stadium was constructed and in the terrific customer service you get from all areas of the Cardinals organization.

For some reason they just cannot get football. Is it the coaches, players or, scouts they hire? I really can't say because it just seems like no matter what they do it doesn't work.

Agreed ..

IMO its not possible to own a team and not care if you win or not

 

[NJCardFan]

To answer the question, no. They never have and as long as the Bidwills own the team, they never will.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe they can do something really novel like bringing a real football executive to run the program.

I wonder what happened with Bob Ferguson who was supposed to be a real football executive. That didn't work out at all. Personality conflict? Bidwills couldn't let go of the reins? The Pottsville curse?

 

[ANDY440]

To answer the question, no. They never have and as long as the Bidwills own the team, they never will.

And you would know this how ?
Have you ever delt with the organization or talked to Michael Bidwill ?

 

[Duckjake]

And you would know this how ?
Have you ever delt with the organization or talked to Michael Bidwill ?

He knows because he's surmised it from the inept moves they keep making. Nothing wrong with that.

But I disagree because I have talked to many people in the organization as well as Bill, Michael and Nicole Bidwill and they are the most fan friendly sports group I've ever seen. Comparisons are my interaction with the
Texas Longhorns and the Dallas Cowboys when the latter had their training camp here in Austin. The Cards are light years better than those two when it comes to caring about their fans.

 

[ANDY440]

He knows because he's surmised it from the inept moves they keep making. Nothing wrong with that.

But I disagree because I have talked to many people in the organization as well as Bill, Michael and Nicole Bidwill and they are the most fan friendly sports group I've ever seen. Comparisons are my interaction with the
Texas Longhorns and the Dallas Cowboys when the latter had their training camp here in Austin. The Cards are light years better than those two when it comes to caring about their fans.

And thats been my experiance also but we are not debating ineptitude.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Andy, I know how you feel bro. I just hope you are tailgating regardless still. See you in 2 weeks.

 

[ANDY440]

Andy, I know how you feel bro. I just hope you are tailgating regardless still. See you in 2 weeks.

Oh yea I will be. Call me a sucker but I've only missed 3 regular season home games since 88 and tailgated at every one of them.

 

[Gee!]

And you would know this how ?
Have you ever delt with the organization or talked to Michael Bidwill ?

I have.. And Michael Bidwill does care about the fans.. Everyone is just upset right now so they feel like they don't care..

 

[Duckjake]

And thats been my experiance also but we are not debating ineptitude.

True. But for those who haven't had experience with the Bidwills and the Cards organization other than the W-L record I can understand why they would base their feeling on ineptitude and prefer to point out how terrific the Bidwills and the Cardinals have always been to their fans. And my first hand dealings with them date back to 1989.

 

[100%CardsFan]

And you would know this how ?
Have you ever delt with the organization or talked to Michael Bidwill ?

I have..I used to sit down with Ron Minager and have drinks and talk. I've sat down with Michael Bidwill and had a few w him as well more then once Michael wants to win...he does. But you can check my credentials, hell I wear Clancy Pendergrast old polos he gave me a box of he didn't wear anymore. You know all those "get your mind right" Lott tshirts for only players and coaches, I wear mine all the time, I was on the field when we won the NFC.... But I've also seen the other side. Nate Poole and Nate Hodel were both friends of the family as well as Dexter Jackson. And they wouldn't bite their tounge. I promised someone I wouldn't say anything so I won't specific but Whiz drug Nate Hodel thru the mud saying he couldn't pass a physical and that's why he was cut when a month before signed a 4year deal. Then when that was proven untrue he said he wasn't a good special teams player. At the time it was him and Adubb who were here the longest.....the FO and whiz threw Hodel under the bus and it had nothing to do with pay or play......