Does Warner have any trade value?

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Leinart is the guy next year,as we all think, why not see what's out there, value-wise, for Warner. If the Cards could somehow finnagle a 3rd round pick out of someone, i would trade him. You can keep Rattay as a backup and draft a youngster,like Henne, to be the 3rd guy. Warner did a very nice job this year and i doubt they trade him but i'm all for sell high and Warner's value may never be higher. I realize he's probably the #1 backup in the NFL but i don't like planning around my backup QB when it comes to improving the team. It would have a be a 3rd or higher for me to consider trading him but teams like Miami, Detroit, Minnesota, Bmore, Chicago,and Atlanta are in the market for a legit starting QB. We are probably only going to have Warner for 1 more year anyway.Let's get a young prospect,say a 3rd round guy like Cason , for him.

 

[BigRedMO]

Leinart is TOTALLY UNPROVEN. His numbers are those of a back up QB. Hell no to the idea of trading Warner. Imagine this season without Warner. It would have been a disaster. Compare Warner's numbers to every other second string QB this year. Even if Leinart is the guy a team cant count on the starter making it through the whole season. Teams need 2 good QBs.

 

[moklerman]

When's the last time any team gave up a decent draft pick for a veteran QB? If a 3rd round pick would essentially be a miracle value for the Card's, would it really be worth it to get rid of Warner? What are they going to get for that 3rd round pick? Special teams depth?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Leinart is TOTALLY UNPROVEN. His numbers are those of a back up QB. Hell no to the idea of trading Warner. Imagine this season without Warner. It would have been a disaster. Compare Warner's numbers to every other second string QB this year. Even if Leinart is the guy a team cant count on the starter making it through the whole season. Teams need 2 good QBs.

I don't buy that at all.Look at the playoff teams QB's. Brady, Manning, Manning, Romo, Favre, Hasselback, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Garcia, Young, Collins. Only 1 of them, Washington, had to count on a backup QB for a playoff push.The top 6 guys didn't miss any time other than rst at the end of the year. I know Garcia, Garrard, and Young all missed some time but they were the main guys more than 80% of the season. If you have to count ou your backup QB, you are in trouble. I don't care how good he is. Warner did keep the season from being a disaster. That's why you trade him at his highest value. Look what SD did by letting Brees walk for nothing and giving the job to Rivers. It's Leinart's time and,if you could get a potential impact player, i say you have to do it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When's the last time any team gave up a decent draft pick for a veteran QB? If a 3rd round pick would essentially be a miracle value for the Card's, would it really be worth it to get rid of Warner? What are they going to get for that 3rd round pick? Special teams depth?

You kind of contradict yourself. You say a 3rd rounder is alot but then say it's only special team depth.But i see what you mean.

Most teams can get a pretty good player in round 3. If the Cards had 2 3rd round picks, i'll bet at least one them makes the roster . I agree a 3rd round pick would be alot to expect for Warner.

 

[BigRedMO]

I don't buy that at all.Look at the playoff teams QB's. Brady, Manning, Manning, Romo, Favre, Hasselback, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Garcia, Young, Collins. Only 1 of them, Washington, had to count on a backup QB for a playoff push.The top 6 guys didn't miss any time other than rst at the end of the year. I know Garcia, Garrard, and Young all missed some time but they were the main guys more than 80% of the season. If you have to count ou your backup QB, you are in trouble. I don't care how good he is. Warner did keep the season from being a disaster. That's why you trade him at his highest value. Look what SD did by letting Brees walk for nothing and giving the job to Rivers. It's Leinart's time and,if you could get a potential impact player, i say you have to do it.

What has Leinart done to prove he is a starting QB? What if he fails? If he were a 4th round pick from NW Missouri State with his current stats it would not even be debated that he was not the starter. Ok, he was a Heisman trophy winner and a first round selection. What has he done since draft day?

 

[Redheart]

When's the last time any team gave up a decent draft pick for a veteran QB? If a 3rd round pick would essentially be a miracle value for the Card's, would it really be worth it to get rid of Warner? What are they going to get for that 3rd round pick? Special teams depth?

Well, look at what we got with last year's 3rd round pick...err...nevermind.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What has Leinart done to prove he is a starting QB? What if he fails? If he were a 4th round pick from NW Missouri State with his current stats it would not even be debated that he was not the starter. Ok, he was a Heisman trophy winner and a first round selection. What has he done since draft day?

If he fails then the Cards are screwed.What did Carson Palmer do before he was handed the job.Same with Rivers,the Mannings, Ben, and so on. You took him in round 1 so you believe he is the guy.You can't make a judgement on Leinart after the limited games he has played but,at some point, you give him the reins and go with him. The fact remains that he is a 1st round draft choice and a Heisman winner so he does have more legitimacy.

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't buy that at all.Look at the playoff teams QB's. Brady, Manning, Manning, Romo, Favre, Hasselback, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Garcia, Young, Collins. Only 1 of them, Washington, had to count on a backup QB for a playoff push.The top 6 guys didn't miss any time other than rst at the end of the year. I know Garcia, Garrard, and Young all missed some time but they were the main guys more than 80% of the season. If you have to count ou your backup QB, you are in trouble. I don't care how good he is. Warner did keep the season from being a disaster. That's why you trade him at his highest value. Look what SD did by letting Brees walk for nothing and giving the job to Rivers. It's Leinart's time and,if you could get a potential impact player, i say you have to do it.

The big difference here is Leinart is considered injury prone. In addition to his injuries since he was a pro, he had elbow tendinitis in 2004 and surgery in 2005, as well as a rotator-cuff problem in high school. We need a good backup and we are lucky to have Kurt on the roster at this point.

 

[moklerman]

Look what SD did by letting Brees walk for nothing and giving the job to Rivers. It's Leinart's time and,if you could get a potential impact player, i say you have to do it.

I agree that you buy low and sell high but that's a really risky proposition with the QB position. Speaking of SD in particular, they should never have let Brees go. They would have been much better served to trade Rivers and keep Brees. Either way, they wouldn't get much in return compared to a starting caliber QB. What will the draft pick likely get you and who do you replace the QB spot with? Those are the two questions that have to be answered. The shiny looking draft pick is nice to think about but getting rid of the only proven QB on the roster isn't really appealing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The big difference here is Leinart is considered injury prone. In addition to his injuries since he was a pro, he had elbow tendinitis in 2004 and surgery in 2005, as well as a rotator-cuff problem in high school. We need a good backup and we are lucky to have Kurt on the roster at this point.

I'm not ready to call him injury prone but if he goes down next year i will be concerned. He got knocked out on a cheap shot from the Rams. The encouraging thing is our OL didn't allow Warner to get sacked very often,none the last 2 games, and he holds the ball forever.

 

[moklerman]

What did Carson Palmer do before he was handed the job.Same with Rivers,the Mannings, Ben, and so on.

Here's where your comparison starts to take on water. The guys you mentioned, essentially did nothing before being given the starting job. Leinart has been handed the job twice, been injured twice and regressed in the time that he was healthy. That's a lot different than just being green and going through the learning process.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree that you buy low and sell high but that's a really risky proposition with the QB position. Speaking of SD in particular, they should never have let Brees go. They would have been much better served to trade Rivers and keep Brees. Either way, they wouldn't get much in return compared to a starting caliber QB. What will the draft pick likely get you and who do you replace the QB spot with? Those are the two questions that have to be answered. The shiny looking draft pick is nice to think about but getting rid of the only proven QB on the roster isn't really appealing.

It will be interesting to see what the Browns do. It's funny around here because i would think the fans would want to keep Anderson.But,all the Browns fans i talk to want Anderson traded and go with Quinn. I tend to agree with them. The Browns gave up alot for Quinn.They could re-coup some of that with an Anderson trade.

 

[moklerman]

I still think Baltimore will make an offer for Anderson since he was theirs to begin with. So many players seem to bounce around within their divisions because of familiarity. Anderson's a unique situation though and a bit more of a risk. Was his year a fluke and/or a product of being surrounded by talent? Will the confidence that comes along with success stay with him or will he revert back to the guy that was cut by Baltimore and didn't win the job in camp in '07? Quinn will likely be too expensive for the Browns to keep on the bench though and Anderson will likely be gone. I predict he will not do too well wherever he goes though. I think he's a very solid QB but not on a bad team. If he goes to Baltimore or Miami or any of the other bad teams that actually need a QB, his performance will obviously take a dive.

 

[BigRedMO]

If he fails then the Cards are screwed.What did Carson Palmer do before he was handed the job.Same with Rivers,the Mannings, Ben, and so on. You took him in round 1 so you believe he is the guy.You can't make a judgement on Leinart after the limited games he has played but,at some point, you give him the reins and go with him. The fact remains that he is a 1st round draft choice and a Heisman winner so he does have more legitimacy.

In Eli Manning's case they had a viable alternative in Warner until Manning did something to prove he was the guy. With Rivers there was Brees as an alternative. I cant recall situation with Peyton Manning or Palmer but I bet there was a veteran QB waiting in the wings. Leinart has to prove himself. He cant be coronated. I dont want the Cards to end up with a guy like McCown as a starter because Warner is traded and Leinart is not the guy.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

In Eli Manning's case they had a viable alternative in Warner until Manning did something to prove he was the guy. With Rivers there was Brees. Leinart has to prove himself. He cant be coronated.

Manning . The Giants were something like 5-2 when Coughlin gave the team to Manning. That's why Warner was PO'd. They gave the job to Manning in the middle of the season. I think they may have said Kurt was injured but that was questionable,at best.

Rivers . I guess i don't see what you mean. Brees started and was great but they,i agree, mistakenly, let him walk in free agency and gave the job to Rivers.

 

[BigRedMO]

Manning . The Giants were something like 5-2 when Coughlin gave the team to Manning. That's why Warner was PO'd. They gave the job to Manning in the middle of the season. I think they may have said Kurt was injured but that was questionable,at best.

Rivers . I guess i don't see what you mean. Brees started and was great but they,i agree, mistakenly, let him walk in free agency and gave the job to Rivers.

It comes down to this. I am not willing to sink or swim with Leinart. I dont want to put all the eggs in that one basket. An injury prone inexperienced QB who has not excelled when he has played without a viable alternative is an idea that would make me wake in anxiety from a dead sleep. Imagine this year without Warner.

 

[crdnl85]

What has Leinart done to prove he is a starting QB? What if he fails? If he were a 4th round pick from NW Missouri State with his current stats it would not even be debated that he was not the starter. Ok, he was a Heisman trophy winner and a first round selection. What has he done since draft day?

My first thought is thst he led us to a win over the unbeatten Bears,untill Dennis Green and his cohorts gave it back to them.

 

[RonF]

It comes down to this. I am not willing to sink or swim with Leinart. I dont want to put all the eggs in that one basket. An injury prone inexperienced QB who has not excelled when he has played without a viable alternative is an idea that would make me wake in anxiety from a dead sleep. Imagine this year without Warner.

I agree with your comments, Leinart is unproven at this time. When he was hurt last year his QB rating was pretty low and interceptions were high. I think Whiz made a mistake when he said that Leinart was the starting QB, he should have let them compete during pre-season, then make his choice.

Dan Bickley made the point in today's paper that, "what if the Patriots had given the job back to Drew Bledoe, whose injury opened the door for Tom Brady?"

 

[ajcardfan]

Yes, he has trade value. He finished in the top 10 of QBs this year. Trading him right now would be immensely ********. Taking the pressure off of Leinart would be exactly the wrong move to make at this point in his development.

 

[cardsfanmd]

In Eli Manning's case they had a viable alternative in Warner until Manning did something to prove he was the guy. With Rivers there was Brees as an alternative. I cant recall situation with Peyton Manning or Palmer but I bet there was a veteran QB waiting in the wings. Leinart has to prove himself. He cant be coronated. I dont want the Cards to end up with a guy like McCown as a starter because Warner is traded and Leinart is not the guy.

I agree with you about keeping Warner, but your arguement weakens your case. Eli sucked and still kinda sucks and the Chargers had no clue what they had in Rivers, they just knew that they couldn't afford both and no one was gonna trade for Philip. At this point, from what I have seen, he isn't half the QB that Brees is.

 

[BigRedMO]

I agree with you about keeping Warner, but your arguement weakens your case. Eli sucked and still kinda sucks and the Chargers had no clue what they had in Rivers, they just knew that they couldn't afford both and no one was gonna trade for Philip. At this point, from what I have seen, he isn't half the QB that Brees is.

My point was to have alternatives for an unproven QB in case he fails. Just because you have alternatives doesnt gurantee that you will make the right choice. It guarantees you have a choice which is far better than to realize you bet the farm on a loser and have no choices at that point. If Leinart makes it through an entire season and plays well then he can be given the job.

AJ also makes a good point that harkens back to Plummer too. Dont corronate a young QB as the starter and get rid of his competition. That competition makes the young QB work. This year Whiz could not run his entire offense with Leinart because Leinart had not learned how to run it. Sitting on the bench this season seems at least in perception to have lit a fire under Leinart. I want that fire to stay lit. Warner is not going anywhere.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

with the Bengals,Kitna was the starter but i think they kept him around for Palmer's first year. I'm not sure about Peyton either. THey had to stink because they had the #1 pick. I wouldn't be upset at all if Warner's on the team as an insurance policy. But i'm also inlcined to get something for him if they can. I son't think you can start him and stunt Leinart's growth. No doubt,Leinart will have to show that he's improved this year. But, when he does, Warner is gone after next year anyway.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I don't buy that at all.Look at the playoff teams QB's. Brady, Manning, Manning, Romo, Favre, Hasselback, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Garcia, Young, Collins. Only 1 of them, Washington, had to count on a backup QB for a playoff push.The top 6 guys didn't miss any time other than rst at the end of the year. I know Garcia, Garrard, and Young all missed some time but they were the main guys more than 80% of the season. If you have to count ou your backup QB, you are in trouble. I don't care how good he is. Warner did keep the season from being a disaster. That's why you trade him at his highest value. Look what SD did by letting Brees walk for nothing and giving the job to Rivers. It's Leinart's time and,if you could get a potential impact player, i say you have to do it.

80% of the season means your starting QB could miss 2-3 games...and that's enough to keep you out of the playoffs...just ask the Cards. Imagine if Warner had started the entire season, instead of just the last 11 games...Do you think he could've gotten one or two more wins for the club?

 

[cardsfanmd]

80% of the season means your starting QB could miss 2-3 games...and that's enough to keep you out of the playoffs...just ask the Cards. Imagine if Warner had started the entire season, instead of just the last 11 games...Do you think he could've gotten one or two more wins for the club?

Great point. I would venture to say that we would have won the Baltimore game and the first SF game.