Doesn't Sound Good For MJD

[Gee!]

The new Jags owner sounds rough..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--j...en-it-comes-to-riled-up-workers-like-mjd.html

 

[Pariah]

I heard a rumor that Denver is trying to trade for him. The rumor didn't come with any substantiation, but I wouldn't be surprised as they're clearly trying to get a ring with Manning's 2-3 year window.

 

[52brandon]

I heard a rumor that Denver is trying to trade for him. The rumor didn't come with any substantiation, but I wouldn't be surprised as they're clearly trying to get a ring with Manning's 2-3 year window.

interesting... would be a smart move on their part. If they still have a great line, that may just do it....

 

[Bodha]

I like the new Jags owner. You see immediately why hes a billionaire, because he doesnt put up with BS.





Maybe its because IVe seen the class of a true professional in guys like Adrian Wilson, but I despise players like MJD and Revis.


You agree to be paid X amount of money to play as hard as you can for X amount of years. Whether you rush for 700 yards or 2500 is irrelevant. There is no such thing as "out playing your contract", ever. When your contract expires, you will sign a new contract for X amount of money for X amount of years to continue to play as hard as you can. Given your performance in the previous contract, you will get a new X amount of money accordingly as dictated by the law of supply and demand.


In other words, these morons should be happy to be making a dime playing football and not working at mcdonalds since most of them dont have the competantcy to work a lawmower.

 

[Pariah]

I like the new Jags owner. You see immediately why hes a billionaire, because he doesnt put up with BS.





Maybe its because IVe seen the class of a true professional in guys like Adrian Wilson, but I despise players like MJD and Revis.


You agree to be paid X amount of money to play as hard as you can for X amount of years. Whether you rush for 700 yards or 2500 is irrelevant. There is no such thing as "out playing your contract", ever. When your contract expires, you will sign a new contract for X amount of money for X amount of years to continue to play as hard as you can. Given your performance in the previous contract, you will get a new X amount of money accordingly as dictated by the law of supply and demand.


In other words, these morons should be happy to be making a dime playing football and not working at mcdonalds since most of them dont have the competantcy to work a lawmower.

That's all well and good if they were guaranteed contracts. But do you feel the same sort of outrage when a team cuts a player before the contract expires?

I don't begrudge these guys getting what they can when they can. And, if they don't want to risk their bodies and their future playing for a contract they don't think is worth it, then they shouldn't.

 

[kerouac9]

MJD is the only marketable player in Jacksonville. If he's not playing, they don't stand a chance of winning 3 games. They can't cover up enough seats to lift a blackout. I'd be like Arizona in 2002 if Anquan Bolin was holding out.

 

[Bodha]

That's all well and good if they were guaranteed contracts. But do you feel the same sort of outrage when a team cuts a player before the contract expires?

No, because those terms are dictated during negotiations.

Guaranteed money/ performance elevators/ years/ franchise tag/ anything you can imagine are in black and white when the player signs the contract. He knows A,B,or C could happen.

There are zero surprises. Players, and their agents, take all of these factors under consideration when deciding whether or not to sign.

 

[Pariah]

No, because those terms are dictated during negotiations.

Guaranteed money/ performance elevators/ years/ franchise tag/ anything you can imagine are in black and white when the player signs the contract. He knows A,B,or C could happen.

Then so does the team. They know that the player could holdout--otherwise you'd see the NFL suing for breach of contract every year.

 

[Bodha]

Then so does the team. They know that the player could holdout--otherwise you'd see the NFL suing for breach of contract every year.

We're talking principals here, not reality.

The reality is, holdouts exist and will never go away. They infuriate me, but I understand they are here to stay. You disagree, thus we are discussing it.

In a perfect world, the team should not fear a holdout when they offer a contract because the player is making the commitment to play as hard as they can for X..etc. etc.

 

[Pariah]

We're talking principals here, not reality.

In principle, a contract should be binding--by both parties.

 

[Stout]

In principle, a contract should be binding--by both parties.

If it isn't binding for one side, it isn't binding for the other either. And the owners know that when they sign the contract. I used to hate the players for doing stuff like that, until Javon Walker got screwed utterly.

 

[cardncubfan]

I like the new Jags owner. You see immediately why hes a billionaire, because he doesnt put up with BS.





Maybe its because IVe seen the class of a true professional in guys like Adrian Wilson, but I despise players like MJD and Revis.


You agree to be paid X amount of money to play as hard as you can for X amount of years. Whether you rush for 700 yards or 2500 is irrelevant. There is no such thing as "out playing your contract", ever. When your contract expires, you will sign a new contract for X amount of money for X amount of years to continue to play as hard as you can. Given your performance in the previous contract, you will get a new X amount of money accordingly as dictated by the law of supply and demand.


In other words, these morons should be happy to be making a dime playing football and not working at mcdonalds since most of them dont have the competantcy to work a lawmower.

This doesn't help your case. competency/lawnmower (BIM)

 

[Shane]

IMO MJD can suck it. He just signed a 31 million dollar deal in 2009 and is scheduled to make a shade under 5 million this year. Kick rocks dude.

 

[40yearfan]

In principle, a contract should be binding--by both parties.

It is binding for both parties. C'mon Pariah. You know better than this. The contract is written with an escape clause for the team. Both the player and team know this when the contract is signed. The owners cannot "break" a contract. They have to live up to it's terms. When a player holds out, he is "breaking" the contract and not living up to his contractural obligations. Quit listening to the players bellyaching and acting like they didn't know the terms of the contract. Their agents inform them fully before they ever sign a contract.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like the Jags owner. It's not like MJD is being paid on his initial rookie contract. MJD will blink first and return to Jax. If I'm the owner I don't trade him either. He plays for the Jags under his current contract or he sits at home. That is, unless I get blown away with an offer like Cincy did for Palmer last year.

 

[Pariah]

Quit listening to the players bellyaching and acting like they didn't know the terms of the contract.

I'm not saying they don't understand the terms. I'm saying if they change their mind and decide they're not making enough money to lay their bodies on the line like they do and feel they have enough leverage to get more--then they should hold out. Because lord knows that if the team feels like they're paying too much money for a guy that isn't performing like they thought they were going to, that contract isn't going to be worth the paper its written on.

Both parties in these NFL contracts will look to change the terms of the contract when it's not working for them anymore...but only players get vilified for it.

 

[Pariah]

And, for the record, I don't think MJD should be holding out. I think the Jags ought to (and will) wait him out on this thing..or trade him and get good value. Jennings is a more than capable back. It's not like MJD is the difference between playoffs or no playoffs--and probably won't be in the next couple of years. Plus, he's a little guy with A LOT of carries under his belt (he probably recognizes that, too).

 

[Stout]

It is binding for both parties. C'mon Pariah. You know better than this. The contract is written with an escape clause for the team. Both the player and team know this when the contract is signed. The owners cannot "break" a contract. They have to live up to it's terms. When a player holds out, he is "breaking" the contract and not living up to his contractural obligations. Quit listening to the players bellyaching and acting like they didn't know the terms of the contract. Their agents inform them fully before they ever sign a contract.

Baloney. Green Bay tried to shove this bullcrap logic down Javon Walker's throat, when he had clearly outplayed his rookie deal. Even Farva stepped in and called him out, which was classless and a *******, hypocrite move, coming from a player with plenty of cheddar in the bank already. So Walker does the 'right' thing, so-to-speak, what you insist players should do, and reported in. What happened after he blew his knee out? He got the shaft, got cut, didn't get the contract he deserved. I'm sure you'll just claim it's part of the game, but you know, so are holdouts.

 

[Phrazbit]

NFL contracts are not guaranteed so the players have every right to hold out.

However, I'm with the Jags on this one. They paid MJD huge money his first few years of this deal, way over the franchise tender price, entirely so they would have flexibility later. Now that his yearly salary is lower he conveniently forgets how much he was already given and whines about it. If his holdout extends into the season then the Jags can and should go after his signing bonus money... which would probably quickly get him back onto the field.

 

[Stout]

NFL contracts are not guaranteed so the players have every right to hold out.

However, I'm with the Jags on this one. They paid MJD huge money his first few years of this deal, way over the franchise tender price, entirely so they would have flexibility later. Now that his yearly salary is lower he conveniently forgets how much he was already given and whines about it. If his holdout extends into the season then the Jags can and should go after his signing bonus money... which would probably quickly get him back onto the field.

I agree that MJD shouldn't be holding out right now, for the reasons you have laid out. I do not, however, think that they can go after his bonus money. I don't think they have the contractual right to do so. If he comes in for the last 6 games, he gets an accrued season. They might be able to recoup some of the bonus money if he doesn't report by then.