Don Banks Mock

[Reddog]

He shows us taking Glenn at 13. His last mock had us trading down to 17 to take him. If Richardson is still on the board we might be able to grab a 2nd or definitely a 3rd. The more I hear about this kid the more I like him as our pick. I don't think he is a reach given his nastiness and athleticism along with our need at OT. I do like the idea of getting a pick and nabbing him a little lower but I think we need him and wouldn't be shocked if he goes before we pick at 13.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...04/nfl.mock.draft.4/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a0

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think that Glenn is the 4th O-lineman to come off the board and, as such, given he's strictly seen as a RT / guard prospect, he'll be there when the Cards select. The X-factor, to me, is whether Decastro is still there.

 

[Reddog]

I think that Glenn is the 4th O-lineman to come off the board and, as such, given he's strictly seen as a RT / guard prospect, he'll be there when the Cards select. The X-factor, to me, is whether Decastro is still there.

Yea but unfortunately DeCastro cant play OT. I think he may go higher than the #4 OL off the board. Martin is dropping.

 

[Goldfield]

Yea but unfortunately DeCastro cant play OT. I think he may go higher than the #4 OL off the board. Martin is dropping.

You would think a guy rated as highly as decastro could play OT.

 

[Duckjake]

Is it just me or does it seem that this year's Mock Drafts are all over the place when it comes to who gets selected where more so than in previous Aprils?

I see guys on one mock at #14 and on another at #28.

 

[Stout]

Glenn at 13 is just a huge risk. No frickin' thank you!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Glenn at 13 is just a huge risk. No frickin' thank you!

Scout Inc. gives Decastro and Reiff 94 ratings. Glenn is at 93. Can't see how the comparative risk can be seen as "huge".

Andrew Luck*
99
Robert Griffin III*
97
Matt Kalil
97
Morris Claiborne*
96
Trent Richardson*
96
Fletcher Cox*
95
Justin Blackmon*
95
Ryan Tannehill
95
Quinton Coples
95
Luke Kuechly*
95
Mark Barron
94
Melvin Ingram
94
Michael Brockers*
94
David DeCastro*
94
Dontari Poe
94
Riley Reiff*
94
Courtney Upshaw
93
Michael Floyd
93
Stephon Gilmore*
93
Dont'a Hightower*
93
Cordy Glenn
93
Chandler Jones*
93
Kendall Wright
92
Janoris Jenkins
92
Dre Kirkpatrick*
92
Jonathan Martin*
91
Mike Adams
90
Lavonte David
90
Andre Branch
90
Nick Perry*
89
Peter Konz*
89
Jerel Worthy*
89

 

[Stout]

I will not let my opinion be formed by random numbers on a sports website, no matter how respected the site may be. If we were leaving Glenn at his position, he would be picked behind DeCastro, and probably not in the first round. I have doubts that he'll transition to RT, and that's why I think he'll be a reach. And I don't think that's such a wild opinion either.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I will not let my opinion be formed by random numbers on a sports website, no matter how respected the site may be. If we were leaving Glenn at his position, he would be picked behind DeCastro, and probably not in the first round. I have doubts that he'll transition to RT, and that's why I think he'll be a reach. And I don't think that's such a wild opinion either.

Feel free to hold on to your opinion, but this is just one illustration that Glenn is highly regarded and will likely be a first round pick. Mayoch is a big fan and believes that he will be a starter at R-tackle. If the Cards select him there won't be any gasps from those in the business of evaluating this class.

 

[Dayman]

After going back and watching more video of Glenn, the thought of drafting him at 13 seems riskier than ever. He looked dominant at times. Other times he reminded me way too much of a bigger Levi. I just can't get behind spending another top 15 pick on an over-sized tackle who struggles with speed rushers and mental lapses. And his weight, according to a few reports. I think Glenn can be a solid tackle or a dominant guard with the right coaching. Playing RT under Grimm, I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he would be over the garbage we've endured in the past.

Drafting a RT so high also seems like a bit of a short-sighted move. It would likely mean Levi's long term future is at LT, which is a scary thought. Even if Levi starts next season on the left, my hope is that a developmental LT taken in the mid-rounds will eventually take over and move Levi back to the right side. Or Levi will last the year at LT and move to the right when an upgrade is found next offseason. Glenn would obviously prevent either of these scenarios from happening, unless one of them was moved to guard.

I know a lot of knowledgeable draft folks love the guy, so there's a good chance I'm way off on all of this. Still, I can't get past my feeling that Glenn is the wrong pick for this team. Especially at 13.

 

[Stout]

Feel free to hold on to your opinion, but this is just one illustration that Glenn is highly regarded and will likely be a first round pick. Mayoch is a big fan and believes that he will be a starter at R-tackle. If the Cards select him there won't be any gasps from those in the business of evaluating this class.

That means less than nothing, of course. Many analysts fall in love with players that go on to do nothing in the league. It makes for good buzz and talk and whatnot, but bears no reflection on what will actually happen with that player.

I guess my worry on Glenn isn't as much his talent, per se, but the transition he'll have to go through and how soon he can be expected to start. I have doubts that a transitional player would be a good starter in year one, and we've backed ourselves into a corner of NEEDING a good starter in year one.

 

[kerouac9]

I will not let my opinion be formed by random numbers on a sports website, no matter how respected the site may be. If we were leaving Glenn at his position, he would be picked behind DeCastro, and probably not in the first round. I have doubts that he'll transition to RT, and that's why I think he'll be a reach. And I don't think that's such a wild opinion either.

He played LT at Georgia this year, and played it very well. He wasn't the transition prospect that current Kansas City Chiefs OT Branden Albert was coming out of Viriginia. So your facts are wrong.

I think that Glenn with focused coaching and a pro conditioning program could be a dominating left tackle in the NFL.

I'd prefer to trade down a little and get Cordy Glenn, but if DeCastro, Ingram, and Malcolm Floyd are all off the board by the time we pick, I won't squeal about the selection.

I don't understand you guys who will squeal about taking a certain guy "too high". Whom would you rather take that's on the board?

 

[Dayman]

I don't understand you guys who will squeal about taking a certain guy "too high". Whom would you rather take that's on the board?

In Don Banks' scenario, DeCastro, Floyd and probably Upshaw (he's been over-analyzed to death this spring).

 

[kerouac9]

In Don Banks' scenario, DeCastro, Floyd and probably Upshaw (he's been over-analyzed to death this spring).

I don't like Upshaw as an OLB. He doesn't seem quick off the snap, and he's REAL big. I like him as an ILB, but not at 13 overall.

FWIW, I don't think that Upshaw's been picked apart. It's not like he was a Top 15 pick that has tumbled down boards. I think he's just a guy who's been a part of a great college defense with a bunch of NFL prospects on it, and those guys are REALLY hard to evaluate.

 

[Reddog]

After going back and watching more video of Glenn, the thought of drafting him at 13 seems riskier than ever. He looked dominant at times. Other times he reminded me way too much of a bigger Levi.
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Glenn will be a beast. He is way more athletic and has a mean streak that Levi doesn't. I also expect him to be way better than Reiff and Martin and is flexible enough to play OG or OT. I would rather trade down and grab him but he may not drop that low. Its not like we are using a #5 pick to take him.

 

[kerouac9]

Glenn will be a beast. He is way more athletic and has a mean streak that Levi doesn't. I also expect him to be way better than Reiff and Martin and is flexible enough to play OG or OT. I would rather trade down and grab him but he may not drop that low. Its not like we are using a #5 pick to take him.

That, and it's not like we'd be passing on Adrian Peterson to take him. Or Patrick Willis. Or Darelle Revis.





But I wanted us to take Peterson or Jamaal Anderson with that pick. So shows how much I know.

 

[Chopper0080]

He played LT at Georgia this year, and played it very well. He wasn't the transition prospect that current Kansas City Chiefs OT Branden Albert was coming out of Viriginia. So your facts are wrong.

I think that Glenn with focused coaching and a pro conditioning program could be a dominating left tackle in the NFL.

I'd prefer to trade down a little and get Cordy Glenn, but if DeCastro, Ingram, and Malcolm Floyd are all off the board by the time we pick, I won't squeal about the selection.

I don't understand you guys who will squeal about taking a certain guy "too high". Whom would you rather take that's on the board?

If we can get a starting OT in the first round, who might be a bit of a project, I am ok with taking him anywhere in the teens. Obviously if we are able to move back a couple picks (say a team like Cincy wants DeCastro or Upshaw and are worried about the Jets, Philly wants Poe/Cox and are worried about the Cowboys, or Floyd drops and San Diego wants him) it would be a solid move, but I wouldn't say it would be a reach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

If we take Glenn with Decastro & Upshaw on the board I will lose my lunch.

 

[Stout]

He played LT at Georgia this year, and played it very well. He wasn't the transition prospect that current Kansas City Chiefs OT Branden Albert was coming out of Viriginia. So your facts are wrong.

Oh. I thought he had only played OG in college. Definitely had my facts wrong.

 

[WildBB]

After going back and watching more video of Glenn, the thought of drafting him at 13 seems riskier than ever. He looked dominant at times. Other times he reminded me way too much of a bigger Levi. I just can't get behind spending another top 15 pick on an over-sized tackle who struggles with speed rushers and mental lapses. And his weight, according to a few reports. I think Glenn can be a solid tackle or a dominant guard with the right coaching. Playing RT under Grimm, I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he would be over the garbage we've endured in the past.

Drafting a RT so high also seems like a bit of a short-sighted move. It would likely mean Levi's long term future is at LT, which is a scary thought. Even if Levi starts next season on the left, my hope is that a developmental LT taken in the mid-rounds will eventually take over and move Levi back to the right side. Or Levi will last the year at LT and move to the right when an upgrade is found next offseason. Glenn would obviously prevent either of these scenarios from happening, unless one of them was moved to guard.

I know a lot of knowledgeable draft folks love the guy, so there's a good chance I'm way off on all of this. Still, I can't get past my feeling that Glenn is the wrong pick for this team. Especially at 13.

In a trade down only. There in the 20's he's got value as a prospect. At 13 you want an instant starter, who'll excell.

 

[Dayman]

I don't like Upshaw as an OLB. He doesn't seem quick off the snap, and he's REAL big. I like him as an ILB, but not at 13 overall.

FWIW, I don't think that Upshaw's been picked apart. It's not like he was a Top 15 pick that has tumbled down boards. I think he's just a guy who's been a part of a great college defense with a bunch of NFL prospects on it, and those guys are REALLY hard to evaluate.

You're not alone in your concerns about Upshaw as an OLB, although most pundits I've seen question his ability in coverage more than his burst off the snap. Your point about the Alabama D is also a good one. Still, I think Upshaw will make a great OLB, as long as he's allowed to play to his strengths. The guy showed some serious skills at the position over the last couple years. It will be interesting to see where he lands.

Glenn will be a beast. He is way more athletic and has a mean streak that Levi doesn't. I also expect him to be way better than Reiff and Martin and is flexible enough to play OG or OT. I would rather trade down and grab him but he may not drop that low. Its not like we are using a #5 pick to take him.

I hope you're right. Like I said, I'm more down on him than a lot of people. I just think he'll struggle if he's left on an island as much as he would be in this offense, especially in the beginning.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I still really love Upshaw and believe that he has been the victim of being picked apart in the evaluation process.

His gameday tape is twice as good as many of the defensive players that will be drafted above him. This includes Ingram and Coples.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I am leaning more and more towards fine tuning our awesome D with our 1st pick if DeCastro and Reiff arent there for us. I have been in several mocks now and in each one there is a very good OG with OT experience available for us with out 3rd round pick. Even if we have to move up a few spots when the 3rd round comes, we can get a Jeff Allen, Brandon Brooks, or even a OT like Schwartz in that position. Schwartz would be a fine OT for us and would be a lot more popular and recognized if Kalil wasn't in the same conference.

So I would love to finish off our D with a great OLB/DE type in the 1st round and get a slightly less than 1st round OG or OT in the 3rd. We then can find our speedster WR in the 4th. That is a perfect scenario for me. Except I would not pass up DeCastro or Reiff. They are too good, experienced, and well coached to pass on with our need for an OLman.

 

[Duckjake]

I think that Glenn with focused coaching and a pro conditioning program could be a dominating left tackle in the NFL.

Then his family should hope he gets drafted by a team other than Arizona.

Where are all the 2008 draft picks that got better thanks to the Cardinals focused coaching and pro conditioning program?

 

[Chopper0080]

I still really love Upshaw and believe that he has been the victim of being picked apart in the evaluation process.

His gameday tape is twice as good as many of the defensive players that will be drafted above him. This includes Ingram and Coples.

When a guy looks stiff in agility drills and continues to put on weight throughout the off-season process (274 at combine, 279 at pro day), those are observations, not picking him apart.

And the tape doesn't lie either. He didn't look supremely athletic in college, and was successful using his power.