although I am upset, I stand by that assessment. I'm not ignoring the health issues. The mavericks were only healthy towards the beginning of the year and that is when they played their best. Doncic got hurt on Christmas Day and it kind of spiraled from there. trading for AD means you are relying on a player that misses a lot of games and the rest of the team already had health problems at that point. AD got hurt in his first game. Irving got hurt probably from playing too much trying to keep everything together, although mavs players and coaches did not acknowledge that to be the case and wrote it off to disgruntled fans making that scenario up. I think it is a terrible trade when you look at AD's history of always being hurt and he goes down in his first game as a mavericks player. it is exactly what Harrison deserved.
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I agree. I think that Harrison and maybe even Kidd/M. Finley got tired of Doncic. But instead of trying to work things out with the player, they put the organization first in their minds. but it was their perspective from a management level. managers don't play the game, and they obviously underestimated Doncic's value to the fans and the community. Dallas fans were not paying money to see Nico or J-Kidd. they were paying to see Luka who was a once and a lifetime type player.
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What's important to understand is the player power. With his contract extension, Luka could dictate where he could go and how much the Mavs got.
The real issue here is why did they decide to trade him. Once they did though, I do understand both the deal they got, and what the situation is.
Now what I don't understand is why they came to the conclusion that trading a top 10 player in the NBA at 26 years is the right move and giving him 350 million is the wrong move. I have no reason to believe Luka is not worth that money based on how he plays on the court. Yes his defense sucks, but so does the defense of many superstars who get maximum contracts. Something went on between Luka's team and Dallas and something they saw about Luka must have really convinced them he's never winning a ring as the leader of the team. So they made that decision.
Back to when the decision was made, once that was made. I think they would have had only those 2 options. Trade a disgruntled Luka to a team he would force them to trade to and get assets either worse than the Lakers deal or get a complete re-build package. The issue with getting a rebuild package like most wanted from a Luka deal is that you have Kyrie, Gafford, Wahington and many more making "win now" money and type of team that is in "win now". You probably have to then scrap the entire roster and only keep Lively and go all out re-build. I am not sure they had the draft picks incoming or the means to do that (or did the owners maybe want that?).
As I said I've seen players like Shaq and KD get traded. I've seen many great players get traded while they could still give a team a championship or 5 more years. I have never seen them get back a player who was an all NBA player. This is the first time this happened. So I don't think the Mavs did bad in that regard, if their objective is to try and win.
Problem? Kyrie tore his ACL. He may not be himself again, and he may not even come back next season. So now unless you replace Kyrie with an all-star guard, while it's nice to have AD/Gaff/Lively and all that size/defensive potential, in the end you're a play in team unless you get a Kyrie replacement.
Honestly our Suns are in the same boat in many ways. We just don't have that kind of franchise star in Booker. We should absolutely be looking to sell Booker off for a similar level player and some future assets. If the Lakers had given us AD, a future unprotected pick and a young starter I'd jump on it. They never would. Maybe some team will give us something comparable, and we should definitely take it. We can't rebuild for a while, so we need to try and win with the pieces we have until we get a situation where we are 1 move away.
Even if we trade Durant, we won't get nearly as much as we gave. We have to try and stay competitive because the team's draft situation is such, we'd give away great lottery picks. Honestly, I don't see how Booker helps this team. He's neither a point guard that you can build your offense around. Nor is he an elite defender you can build your defense around. He's a really good secondary weapon to have when all your other pieces are in place. Well, KD is the exact same thing. Anything Book does for a good team, KD does as well. Might as well try to shop Book and get a defensive piece or a point guard that can run your offense or just plain get more starting level depth. You certainly won't get that with trading KD or Beal.
The real issue here is why did they decide to trade him. Once they did though, I do understand both the deal they got, and what the situation is.
Now what I don't understand is why they came to the conclusion that trading a top 10 player in the NBA at 26 years is the right move and giving him 350 million is the wrong move. I have no reason to believe Luka is not worth that money based on how he plays on the court. Yes his defense sucks, but so does the defense of many superstars who get maximum contracts. Something went on between Luka's team and Dallas and something they saw about Luka must have really convinced them he's never winning a ring as the leader of the team. So they made that decision.
Back to when the decision was made, once that was made. I think they would have had only those 2 options. Trade a disgruntled Luka to a team he would force them to trade to and get assets either worse than the Lakers deal or get a complete re-build package. The issue with getting a rebuild package like most wanted from a Luka deal is that you have Kyrie, Gafford, Wahington and many more making "win now" money and type of team that is in "win now". You probably have to then scrap the entire roster and only keep Lively and go all out re-build. I am not sure they had the draft picks incoming or the means to do that (or did the owners maybe want that?).
As I said I've seen players like Shaq and KD get traded. I've seen many great players get traded while they could still give a team a championship or 5 more years. I have never seen them get back a player who was an all NBA player. This is the first time this happened. So I don't think the Mavs did bad in that regard, if their objective is to try and win.
Problem? Kyrie tore his ACL. He may not be himself again, and he may not even come back next season. So now unless you replace Kyrie with an all-star guard, while it's nice to have AD/Gaff/Lively and all that size/defensive potential, in the end you're a play in team unless you get a Kyrie replacement.
Honestly our Suns are in the same boat in many ways. We just don't have that kind of franchise star in Booker. We should absolutely be looking to sell Booker off for a similar level player and some future assets. If the Lakers had given us AD, a future unprotected pick and a young starter I'd jump on it. They never would. Maybe some team will give us something comparable, and we should definitely take it. We can't rebuild for a while, so we need to try and win with the pieces we have until we get a situation where we are 1 move away.
Even if we trade Durant, we won't get nearly as much as we gave. We have to try and stay competitive because the team's draft situation is such, we'd give away great lottery picks. Honestly, I don't see how Booker helps this team. He's neither a point guard that you can build your offense around. Nor is he an elite defender you can build your defense around. He's a really good secondary weapon to have when all your other pieces are in place. Well, KD is the exact same thing. Anything Book does for a good team, KD does as well. Might as well try to shop Book and get a defensive piece or a point guard that can run your offense or just plain get more starting level depth. You certainly won't get that with trading KD or Beal.
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I think Dallas had a WCF run in them if healthy. Lively and Gafford were big losses along with Kyrie.
Had Reeves and the 31’ pick been in the deal it would’ve been a justifiable return for Luka.
I think the mavs were on a WCF run with Luka, not sure about AD because he is always injured. I would have still picked the thunder to beat dallas, although head to head they were also one of the few teams that beat the thunder a couple times this year.
Tim McMahon is a long time Dallas writer that works for ESPN. He wrote an article that was released today that talks about the dysfunction within the mavericks organization, particularly with the medical/fitness staff, players, and General Manager. I found it interesting that Harrison inserted himself in medical decisions and also did not have a problem with AD and Kyrie both having their own fitness trainers, yet he had problems with anyone that Luka had a positive relationship with in that regard. Ironically including Dirk Nowitzki. Which leads to Harrison firing long time Mavs trainer Casey Smith (on a zoom call because he was out of town grieving a loss of a family member). Smith was beloved in Dallas. Nico's alleged reason for firing Smith was that he was too negative. Interestingly smith is now in New York where Jalen Brunson lobbied for him to get a job there.
That said, this once again shows where a manager who doesn't play the game thinks that he knows better or perhaps believes that he is more important than the players or other professional specialists within the organization. He made the decision to trade Luka because of prolonged pettiness that turned into a much bigger problem than it should have. But that is because of his own inability to communicate and collaborate effectively within the organization.
As for AD, maybe dallas got the only all NBA player that they could. One that is unreliable to play from game to game, hence his famous nickname. There are rumors that the mavericks asked about Edwards and Giannis and were told no. I don't know if those rumors were true because the narrative that was told by most including the Dallas front office is that the lakers/mavs trade was a secret one. I would think maybe the mavericks called to ask if Edwards or Giannis were untouchable..which is a completely different thing all together because they had no idea that Doncic was getting moved.
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As stated, for sure the Mavs had asked about Giannis and Edwards. The thing is if they had pushed it, then that gets leaked. If that gets leaked, now it's a whole new ball game. There was definitely a report on some talks with other teams. I know Nico is not stupid enough to prefer AD over the younger Edwards. No way Minnesota does that deal. As much love as Luka gets, Edwards is a two way player who has more potential. He's not close to his peak, while I believe Luka has reached his peak already.
So back to the situation, they had Kyrie, Gaff, Klay, Washington and players they had given up draft picks for. In a way the one season where they could tank is this one as they had control of their own pick. Currently they have the projected #11 pick. So they do have some quality pieces to work with. The main issues for them are going to be whether they can get a Kyrie level replacement/addition. They just can't go into next season buying in that Kyrie will return to all-star level right off the bat and need to consider that Kyrie will likely even sit out the year, possibly or come back on a limited minutes role. For them to have any shot at making this work, they need to draft well with that #11 pick, continue to develop Max Christie into a starter like he was with the Lakers, develop Lively, and hope that AD has 2 to 3 more all-star years left in him. Then, on top of it, somehow find a way to deal for another quality ballhandling guard without giving up AD/Lively/Gafford/Christie/#11 pick. Which won't be easy to find.
On our end I feel we're in the same boat. We have a win now roster that has some star power but the actual results aren't there. The best thing for us to do is deal Book for some longterm assets and get depth around Durant and Beal. We just won't get a good deal for Durant/Beal. We have to pray that someone values Book alot.
So back to the situation, they had Kyrie, Gaff, Klay, Washington and players they had given up draft picks for. In a way the one season where they could tank is this one as they had control of their own pick. Currently they have the projected #11 pick. So they do have some quality pieces to work with. The main issues for them are going to be whether they can get a Kyrie level replacement/addition. They just can't go into next season buying in that Kyrie will return to all-star level right off the bat and need to consider that Kyrie will likely even sit out the year, possibly or come back on a limited minutes role. For them to have any shot at making this work, they need to draft well with that #11 pick, continue to develop Max Christie into a starter like he was with the Lakers, develop Lively, and hope that AD has 2 to 3 more all-star years left in him. Then, on top of it, somehow find a way to deal for another quality ballhandling guard without giving up AD/Lively/Gafford/Christie/#11 pick. Which won't be easy to find.
On our end I feel we're in the same boat. We have a win now roster that has some star power but the actual results aren't there. The best thing for us to do is deal Book for some longterm assets and get depth around Durant and Beal. We just won't get a good deal for Durant/Beal. We have to pray that someone values Book alot.
Nico Harrison continues to worsen public image
Since trading Luka Doncic in February, Harrison has tried to justify the controversial move with comments that many felt only heightened the Dallas fan base's contempt toward him.
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They were discussing this on Unsportsmanlike this morning. Basically, the hosts were saying, "Shut up about the trade. Just tell people 'This is our team moving forward.' The more you try and justify it, the worse you make things."Nico Harrison continues to worsen public image
Since trading Luka Doncic in February, Harrison has tried to justify the controversial move with comments that many felt only heightened the Dallas fan base's contempt toward him.
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In a bit of role reversal, think of the uproar if the Lakers had traded a 25-year old Doncic for Anthony Davis at this stage of his career. Lakers fans would be incensed, and rightly so.
Yeah, Nico Harrison shouldn't keep trying to justify the trade. It was a very bad trade, right up there with the worst trades in NBA history.
Are fans going to forget? No. I'm still steaming about the Durant trade.
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