Donte Stallworth hit and killed a pedestrian

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He'll be back to play after he serves his NFL suspension. He and Leonard Little can start a club now
 

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30 days for taking an innocent life.

Then again, why did I believe that the justice system would finally make an example of a pro athlete and give them a fair sentence?
 

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Why would any of you be shocked by this. Murderers are let back on the street all the time. I mean true and real "i put a plan into place and carried it out" murderer's. pre-meditated planning murderer's often serve small prison sentences.

Sounds about right from what I can tell. It certainly doesn't shock me and I highly doubt any "celebrity" status had anything to do with it. Stallworth isn't very high up in the NFL hierarchy as far as fame goes. In fact he is probably in the lower 1/3 of the league.
 

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My hope is that he messes up(without killing someone again), becuases 10 years is a lot of years and opportunity to screw up while under probation.

Thats pretty lame IMO. He has been sentenced and will serve the penalty imposed on him by the law. He has settled with the family of the victim in a way satisfactory to them as well. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will take to heart what has happened and he will be upstanding from hear on out. JMHO.
 

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Why would any of you be shocked by this. Murderers are let back on the street all the time.

They shouldn't be allowed to return to the NFL. If I was convicted of murder (or any felony), I would lose my job.... as I'm sure many people here would too.

So why does he get to go back to his job in the NFL or any of the other felons??
 

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Not surprised at all. Disappointed and frustrated, hell yes. The Reyes family traded a jail sentence for a cash settlement, and if that is true, then so be it.

The interesting one still in play is the Jim Leyritz DWI vehicular homicide. He is broke.
 

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They shouldn't be allowed to return to the NFL. If I was convicted of murder (or any felony), I would lose my job.... as I'm sure many people here would too.

So why does he get to go back to his job in the NFL or any of the other felons??

Are you saying felons dont have a right to work? Should they just become bum's on the street putting a strain on the system? That really makes no sense. Or do you feel that they should only qulaify for certain jobs? On top of that who's job is it to determine what jobs they can hold?

There are many jobs felon's cant hold for good reason. I dont see the NFL as being one of those. IE around sensative information, law enforcement, handling money, etc etc...
 
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Thats pretty lame IMO. He has been sentenced and will serve the penalty imposed on him by the law. He has settled with the family of the victim in a way satisfactory to them as well. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will take to heart what has happened and he will be upstanding from hear on out. JMHO.

Serving the penalty imposed on him by the law and fair and just are not the same thing in my book, but thats just me. He hasnt paid for killing a man yet. I believe in second chances only after they have paid their debt, and in my opinion he hasnt yet.

And of course 5 mill is going to be satisfactory to a poor family riding the poverty line who lost their bread winner.

Maybe I am bias after my wife was killed by a drunk driver 5 years ago, but thats how I feel. Dont know why I ever talk about this stuff, my bias is just to strong.
 

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Maybe I am bias after my wife was killed by a drunk driver 5 years ago, but thats how I feel.

That sums it up right there most likely. Rightfully so too. Sorry to hear that Joe. :(
 

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Are you saying felons dont have a right to work? Should they just become bum's on the street putting a strain on the system?

No, I never said that.... Felons can rarely get high level positions. My company will not hire a convicted felon, the run back ground checks (that goes from the most basic position all the way to the top). I know this practice is repeated by many other companies. So why is the NFL in the business of hiring felons?
 

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Sounds about right from what I can tell. It certainly doesn't shock me and I highly doubt any "celebrity" status had anything to do with it. Stallworth isn't very high up in the NFL hierarchy as far as fame goes. In fact he is probably in the lower 1/3 of the league.

I don't think many lower-tiered players sign 7 year, $35 million free agent deals.
 

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No, I never said that.... Felons can rarely get high level positions. My company will not hire a convicted felon, the run back ground checks (that goes from the most basic position all the way to the top). I know this practice is repeated by many other companies. So why is the NFL in the business of hiring felons?

Once again which business should be in the business of employing felons and which shouldnt? How do you determine that and how do you pick the NFL as being one that shouldnt? Just because of the salary they make?

Just because you are a player in the NFL doesnt mean you are at a high level. You could be at the bottom rung of players in the organization. You arent performing any type of management duties?

Also Im sure if the NFL didnt employ felons they would lose many a player and a HOFer or two.
 

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I don't think many lower-tiered players sign 7 year, $35 million free agent deals.

You havent watched many NFL contracts lately have you? Is Antonio Smith upper tiered? Calvin Pace? No they arent. Especially from a fame standpoint. Big money contract doesnt equate to your celebrity staus and fame.

Stallworths stats speak for themself. MEDIOCRE!
 
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Once again which business should be in the business of employing felons and which shouldnt?

You're missing the point... It's not my decision what jobs a felon can get. However, a felon can't get a job at the state or federal level, 99% of corporate jobs, or really ever settle into a career. Their options are retail jobs, physical labor or self employment.

If corporate America will not hire a felon, why does the NFL? These guys have trading cards, appear in your child's video games. Why are they eligible for this when they couldn't even get a job at Walgreens (they background check, my cousin will attest to this)?

Again, if I killed someone, my company would instantly fire me and I would never be allowed to return. Moreover I would likely not find another position that has the same earning potential This guy will be welcomed back after he serves a suspension. There's something not right about that.

To sum it up: Average American = Screwed if they commit a felony. NFL Player = Mildly inconvinienced
 
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You havent watched many NFL contracts lately have you? Is Antonio Smith upper tiered? Calvin Pace? No they arent. Especially from a fame standpoint. Big money contract doesnt equate to your celebrity staus and fame.

Stallworths stats speak for themself. MEDIOCRE!

So you think Stallworth's salary is in the bottom 1/3 of the league? :doi:
 

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So you think Stallworth's salary is in the bottom 1/3 of the league? :doi:

Never said that and if you read what I wrote you would know that. This isn't about $ it's about his celebrity status that people are claiming. Stallworth in NFL circles isn't much of a celebrity. Salary is irrelevant.
 

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Pace had the highest LB salary last year. Can you provide a link to rank LB by status and fame? I'd like to see where Pace ranks

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/...yersbyposition.aspx?pos=138&order=Salary+desc

Nope can't provide that. But now your just playing dumb Ryan and you know it. Salary does not equate fame. If you asked the casual fan to list LBers they know of and like I would be willing to bet real money pace is WAY down the list. He's notvan a list NFL playervwhennit comes to fame and you know it.
 

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No, I never said that.... Felons can rarely get high level positions. My company will not hire a convicted felon, the run back ground checks (that goes from the most basic position all the way to the top). I know this practice is repeated by many other companies. So why is the NFL in the business of hiring felons?

Because they can run fast, jump high and score TDs.
 

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Nope can't provide that. But now your just playing dumb Ryan and you know it. Salary does not equate fame. If you asked the casual fan to list LBers they know of and like I would be willing to bet real money pace is WAY down the list. He's notvan a list NFL playervwhennit comes to fame and you know it.

I'm playing dumb? I'm sorry but I have no idea where people's fame ranks or even how it's equated. The only tangable thing I have in their stats and their salary. Fame is not measurable!
 

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Why would any of you be shocked by this. Murderers are let back on the street all the time. I mean true and real "i put a plan into place and carried it out" murderer's. pre-meditated planning murderer's often serve small prison sentences.

Sounds about right from what I can tell. It certainly doesn't shock me and I highly doubt any "celebrity" status had anything to do with it. Stallworth isn't very high up in the NFL hierarchy as far as fame goes. In fact he is probably in the lower 1/3 of the league.

And yet our prisons our cluttered with people who committed lesser crimes. Just doesn't seem like justice to me.

I agree it wasn't about his celebrity status, it was more about him paying off his the family and who knows maybe he bribed the judge too. Being a celebrity doesn't get you out of crime punishments, being rich does.
 

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Because they can run fast, jump high and score TDs.

Exactly, use them up, then dump'em. We're not talking about high ranking employees that companies want to keep for extended periods of time.
 

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I'm playing dumb? I'm sorry but I have no idea where people's fame ranks or even how it's equated. The only tangable thing I have in their stats and their salary. Fame is not measurable!

Fame isn't measurable? How bout jersey sales? Who sells more urlacher or pace? Briggs or pace? Harrison or pace? Heck dansby or pace? And I could likely find 30 other lbers that are more popular in sales. Yet they all made less than pace last year right?
 

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Fame isn't measurable? How bout jersey sales? Who sells more urlacher or pace? Briggs or pace? Harrison or pace? Heck dansby or pace? And I could likely find 30 other lbers that are more popular in sales. Yet they all made less than pace last year right?

Come on, you're grasping at straws and you know it. Jersey sales are based on several factors. Fan base, availability, etc.

Chris Cooley was the 22nd most sold jersey last year. Is he the 22nd most famous player? Where is James Harrison on this list? Where is Ray Lewis?

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/126730
 

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I wonder if his Madden number will be affected by this, 'cause ya know that this number is the only one that truly matters in regards to fame, talent, and all that kind of stuff.

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