Draft Mike Williams

[Harry]

I watched the Davis vs Big 10. He was fine, the line & QB weren't.

I can't imagine Watson & Turbisky will last until 13. I wouldn't risk Kizer that early. Normally I'd agree on passing a medium speed WR at 13, but Williams isn't you typical WR. He's the best in this draft by a wide margin. Sadly I think the National Championship Game ended any chance of him lasting until 13. This draft early is clean and obvious. If Keim doesn't try to show superior intelligence and goes by the book the Cards should come away with 3 contributing players in the first 3 rounds.

 

[cardncubfan]

Well, if you don't think level of competition comes into play then you're severely flawed in your assessments. Kupp may never have seen the field at a school like Clemson. But now he puts up big numbers against guys more likely to sell insurance than sniff a NFL training camp and he's better. Okay got it.

In your world only is Kupp a better NFL prospect than Williams, regardless of what cartoon you post.

By your thinking every Mike Leach coached QB should be drafted in round 1. I mean, hey, they put up the numbers. That's all that matters. First RB off the board this year should be the kid from SD St right?

He is also the one who said if they are drafted in rd 1 then their talent is infinitely better than someone drafted in rd 3 or something similar to that. Draft round plays a huge part in their talent level according to him. The problem is if they can utilize all of that talent. So if Williams is drafted in rd 1 & Kupp rd 2 Williams has to be better. (according to almighty Bodha) But he is contradicting himself here saying Kupp is the better prospect.

 

[Finito]

No way on Mike Williams... True dominant #1 WRs are just a luxury and not needed to win a SB... Can anyone name me a team with a true dominant #1 WR that has won a SB in the last 10+ years???

It's been great having Larry and watching his greatness... But I'm firmly in the belief that WR that touch the ball 7 to 8 times a game don't effect the game enough and aren't worth the money or the investment... you can strengthen your team in so many other areas and still win A championship...

I agree, Larry is great but let's be honest. Fitzgerald, Megatron, Andre Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, TO, Randy Moss have how many combined rings? You can get good WR late.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just think that WR is such a dependent position that it is a waste in round 1 if you aren't set along the offensive line, at QB, and have a good defense.

I go back to all of the years Fitzgerald was wasted in Arizona because of the QB position, and just don't see the long term value.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Thats the laziest, most baseless reach. Football is football. Still have to catch, run and tackle. And The Big Sky puts multiple players into the NFL every year.

Khalil Mack was the most dominant player in the nation, for Buffalo, in the lowly Mid Atlantic Conference, vs Mid Atlantic Conference opponents, and he went 5th overall and is now dominating in the NFL.

Kupp has dominated for 4 years. Williams has put up 1 good year, that still doesnt match any of Kupps 4. Considering his dominance for 3 years, its fair to say defenses schemed for Kupp his senior year...and he still had a Copper Kupp monster season

Really, say that after you try to get open and then outrun a defender or break a tackle against superior competition. Your examples are an exception to the rule, because the NFL is not comprised of a majority of small school players... so you are damn right it's lazy on my part because the obvious often is when the base of my argument is the foundation of the NFL

 

[Reddog]

Special, HOFrs. Mike isnt in the same area code as those guys.


You know whos the perfect Mike Williams comparison? Michael Floyd. Dead ringer.

+ Same size
+ Same speed
+ Same circus catches
+ Same blocking ability
- Same inconsistencies
- Not a game changer

Williams and Floyd are the same guy. Good players. But not elite.

Lets hope they don't share
- Same drinking problem.

 

[Finito]

Why was Russell Wilson a 3rd rounder? Because hes "too short" and every knows touchdowns thrown by guys under 6'2 are only worth 5 points.


I loathe these pre-determined biases.

Heres the universal rule for small school guys: If hes great, then he should dominate.

Kupp dominates. Therefore hes great.

And the convo of Williams vs Kupp isnt even a convo. Ive provided 4 years worth of evidence why Kupp is better than Williams, and the only response im getting is "conference".

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Just stop. Dude you can always point to a Mack or Wilson because there's always exceptions to the rule to say they pump out big time players like the big time conferences is just plain wrong

 

[NJCardFan]

Williams, nor most WRs, arent special enough to take early in the 1st. Other than Larry, all our WRs for the past decade have been 2nd round+


Theres probably 5 WRs in this draft thatll have better careers than Williams, and none (maybe one, late 1st) will be in the 1st round.

We took Bryant Johnson in the 1st round(then drafted Q in the 2nd round of the same draft).

 

[Reign Blood]

So many Mike Williams's to turn out to be a bust. Unless he's not like the others I say yes.

 

[Bodha]

We took Bryant Johnson in the 1st round(then drafted Q in the 2nd round of the same draft).

I said "past decade". Which is depressing to say that means 2007. . Anyways, Bryant was in 2003. And by that criteria neither Larry nor Q even qualify, but Ill let them in.

My point stands. AZ has done just fine without drafting 1st round WRs

 

[NJCardFan]

I said "past decade". Which is depressing to say that means 2007. . Anyways, Bryant was in 2003. And by that criteria neither Larry nor Q even qualify, but Ill let them in.

My point stands. AZ has done just fine without drafting 1st round WRs

So Q qualifies and Johnson doesn't? They were taken in the same draft? You can't change the hashmarks just to make sure it fits your argument.

 

[Bodha]

So Q qualifies and Johnson doesn't? They were taken in the same draft? You can't change the hashmarks just to make sure it fits your argument.

Of course I can, stop me.

 

[Stout]

Of course I can, stop me.

That's pretty much an admittance that you were wrong in the first place.

 

[splitsecond]

If Williams falls to 13 you absolutely take him as BPA, unless others have fallen as well.

 

[Passepartout]

Just hope that he does not get drafted and later is a bust. That is the problem with high draft picks.

 

[Shane]

I just think that WR is such a dependent position that it is a waste in round 1 if you aren't set along the offensive line, at QB, and have a good defense.

I go back to all of the years Fitzgerald was wasted in Arizona because of the QB position, and just don't see the long term value.

I agree, Larry is great but let's be honest. Fitzgerald, Megatron, Andre Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, TO, Randy Moss have how many combined rings? You can get good WR late.

Exactly

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree, Larry is great but let's be honest. Fitzgerald, Megatron, Andre Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, TO, Randy Moss have how many combined rings? You can get good WR late.

It's a team sport but you want the best, most talented players you can get. Good players be can be had late at any position but your odds of getting a good one in round 1 are much better. Which is why they are taken in round 1. Plus, basing a player/position on how many rings they have won is pointless. It's more about situations. If Mike Floyd wins a ring this year would you rather him than any of the guys listed above?

I pointed out in another thread that, just last year, RB's were loathe to be drafted in round 1. Now, 1 year after Elliot, there are multiple RB's being talked about as top 15 picks.

Bottom line is take the best player.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I still say that has more to do with the QB than Davis, but we shall see. Let's see how he plays in the Senior Bowl or East West if he's involved

Yes but he had the same QB in his other games. Like I said, I like Davis but his lack of production against better competition is a concern.

 

[NJCardFan]

Of course I can, stop me.

 

[Harry]

From the Cleveland Plain Dealer, "But how does one discount the fact the product of Chicago, who grew up in Wheaton, Illinois, has 617 yards and four touchdowns in the seven games he's played against Big Ten teams in his career. That includes a 10-catch, 154-yard, 1 TD game vs. Michigan State in 2015."

Larry Fitzgerald didn't play against the Big 10. He played in the Big East which was not exactly a powerhouse conference. The best team was Miami. In 2002 against them he had 7 catches for 74 yards. In 2003 he had 3 catches for 26 yards. My point is that a small sample of games can be misleading. Davis is not the equal of Williams, but he is a quality receiver. That said I would take the best corner if Williams is gone. Only Williams transcends. There are receivers likely available in round 2 that will fit as well as Davis.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree Davis is a quality WR. I looked it up and in 4 years versus Big 10 opponents he's done the following:

9 games 52 catches 701 yards and 5 TD's . That averages out to 5.7 catches for 78 yards and .55 TD. Those stats aren't bad but not the gawdy numbers he put up against MAC competition. He's lit up MSU both times he played them to the tune of 18 catches for 250 yds and 2 TD's.

 

[Buckybird]

I agree Davis is a quality WR. I looked it up and in 4 years versus Big 10 opponents he's done the following:

9 games 52 catches 701 yards and 5 TD's . That averages out to 5.7 catches for 78 yards and .55 TD. Those stats aren't bad but not the gawdy numbers he put up against MAC competition. He's lit up MSU both times he played them to the tune of 18 catches for 250 yds and 2 TD's.

Maybe Watson should move up the draft boards & not get past QB starved Zona since he torched the greatest NCAA football program ever...2 years in row then.

On the flip side, Maybe that's why Bustniche got drafted in Rd 1 instead of Rd 3 because he played well against Bama & was the invisible man in most other games, including the smaller schools . I still say he's never gonna be anything other than solid btw. Luv ya Jim

 

[WisconsinCard]

Maybe Watson should move up the draft boards & not get past QB starved Zona since he torched the greatest NCAA football program ever...2 years in row then.

On the flip side, Maybe that's why Bustniche got drafted in Rd 1 instead of Rd 3 because he played well against Bama & was the invisible man in most other games, including the smaller schools . I still say he's never gonna be anything other than solid btw. Luv ya Jim

I would take Watson in a heart beat if he were there at 13. I predict you're going to regret the bolded part. I think the kid will be fine and you'll see a lot more of him next year. BA just seems to have a problem with first round picks that don't know how to be a PRO. You can't tell me that DJ Humphries just learned to play football.

 

[Shaggy]

I don't want them to draft a WR or TE at 13. Those are not needs. We need a CB or ILB.

 

[Stout]

I don't want them to draft a WR or TE at 13. Those are not needs. We need a CB or ILB.

Sad to say, WR is a big need. I wish it wasn't, because we do have other holes to fill.