Draft Noise Going Around - QBs

[Chris_Sanders]

Now, how many of those receivers have had more productive careers than Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons? 25?

Would it shock you to know that 7 LBs have been taken in the top 12 between 2017 and 2022 and 4 of them became pro bowlers.

We just got REALLY unlucky

 

[Mulli]

It's looking more and more likely that 3 QB's will be taken in the first 3 picks, and the consensus is that MHJ is the best WR in the draft. We can't screw this up, right?

It is the hope that kills you with this franchise.

 

[Mulli]

Would it shock you to know that 7 LBs have been taken in the top 12 between 2017 and 2022 and 4 of them became pro bowlers.

We just got REALLY unlucky

Luck has little to do with how bad Keim was at drafting almost every position for his entire tenure.

 

[kerouac9]

Most if not all of them would have been better than the player picked by the Arizona Football Cardinals in those drafts. Except Henry Ruggs.

Zaven Collins has an AV of 14 to-date. Isaiah Simmons has an AV of 19.

Corey Davis (5): 24
Mike Williams (7): 37
John Ross (9): 5 (What a scrub!)
DJ Moore (24): 37
Calvin Ridley (26): 25
Hollywood Brown (25): 24
Henry Ruggs (12): 8
Jerry Jeudy (15): 22
CeeDee Lamb (17): 50
Jalen Reagor (21): 7
Justin Jefferson (22): 46
Brandon Aiyuk (25): 37
Ja'Marr Chase (5): 33
Jaylen Waddle (6): 28
DeVonta Smith (10): 32
Kadarius Toney (20): 3 (LOL!!)
Rashod Bateman (27): 11

I don't really know what this list illustrated except that players taken high are more likely to be good and Keim is a dolt for drafting off ball linebackers.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's looking more and more likely that 3 QB's will be taken in the first 3 picks, and the consensus is that MHJ is the best WR in the draft. We can't screw this up, right?

We won't this time ASUCHRIS! We're getting MJH and he's going to be a faster Larry Fitzgerald!

We're going to terrorize NFL defenses for years to come!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Here is your top 12 pro bowl rate 2017 - 2022

QB: 63%
RB: 67%
WR: 14%
TE: 100%
OL: 38%
DL: 70%
LB: 57%
CB: 50%
S: 100%

 

[Mulli]

Zaven Collins has an AV of 14 to-date. Isaiah Simmons has an AV of 19.

Corey Davis (5): 24
Mike Williams (7): 37
John Ross (9): 5 (What a scrub!)
DJ Moore (24): 37
Calvin Ridley (26): 25
Hollywood Brown (25): 24
Henry Ruggs (12): 8
Jerry Jeudy (15): 22
CeeDee Lamb (17): 50
Jalen Reagor (21): 7
Justin Jefferson (22): 46
Brandon Aiyuk (25): 37
Ja'Marr Chase (5): 33
Jaylen Waddle (6): 28
DeVonta Smith (10): 32
Kadarius Toney (20): 3 (LOL!!)
Rashod Bateman (27): 11

I don't really know what this list illustrated except that players taken high are more likely to be good and Keim is a dolt for drafting off ball linebackers.

Cheesits Rice that is so bad.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We won't this time ASUCHRIS! We're getting MJH and he's going to be a faster Larry Fitzgerald!

We're going to terrorize NFL defenses for years to come!

From your lips to God's ears buddy.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Luck has little to do with how bad Keim was at drafting almost every position for his entire tenure.

Well there were times he was very lucky. The draft really is a crap shoot. Most of these guys won't make it to a 2nd contract.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hmmm... I'm guessing but I think maybe you're not super impressed by MJH's tape. You're not like, "wow".

I definitely find it impressive and won't be sad at all if we pick him. I am just pointing out there would be logic from a GM's standpoint to pass on an early WR, especially when guys like Legette will be there when you pick in round 2.

 

[Shane]

Here is your top 12 pro bowl rate 2017 - 2022

QB: 63%
RB: 67%
WR: 14%
TE: 100%
OL: 38%
DL: 70%
LB: 57%
CB: 50%
S: 100%

Oooof WR

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Oooof WR

It is very likely Harrison ups that number but so should Nabers. I don't really see a huge difference between them.

 

[Shane]

It is very likely Harrison ups that number but so should Nabers. I don't really see a huge difference between them.

And Odunze is no slouch IMO

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And Odunze is no slouch IMO

Right so if Harrison isn't blowing the doors off 2 guys in his own draft class, can we really use the term "generational"?

Again I will be happy if we get him but I won't be jumping off a cliff if we go in a different direction

 

[kerouac9]

Here is your top 12 pro bowl rate 2017 - 2022

QB: 63% (15)
RB: 67% (3)
WR: 14% (11)
TE: 100% (2)
OL: 38%
DL: 70%
LB: 57% (6)
CB: 50%
S: 100%

Added sample size in parentheses.

 

[Shane]

Right so if Harrison isn't blowing the doors off 2 guys in his own draft class, can we really use the term "generational"?

Again I will be happy if we get him but I won't be jumping off a cliff if we go in a different direction

With ya…. I will never complain about an awesome OT either….

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Added sample size in parentheses.

Pro

QB

RB

DL

OL

LB

TE

S

CB

WR

Non

QB

RB

DL

OL

LB

CB

WR

2017​

3​

1​

1​

1​

1​

1​

1​

3​

2018​

2​

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

2019​

1​

2​

2​

1​

1​

2​

1​

2​

2020​

3​

2​

3​

1​

2​

1​

2021​

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

1​

3​

1​

2​

Total

10​

2​

7​

3​

4​

2​

2​

3​

1​

6​

1​

3​

5​

3​

3​

6​

 

[unseenaz]

Is Drake Maye starting to fall? If he falls out of the top 3 that's a problem for us at 4.

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[kerouac9]

Is Drake Maye starting to fall? If he falls out of the top 3 that's a problem for us at 4.

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This guy no one's ever heard of seems to think so.

 

[cardpa]

So Harrison is not going to attend the combine nor work out at OSU pro day. He has not hired an agent as of this date. Does anyone hove concerns with this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ohio-state-nfl-draft/ac4c23c21d9d27908c57ea0c

 

[unseenaz]

So Harrison is not going to attend the combine nor work out at OSU pro day. He has not hired an agent as of this date. Does anyone hove concerns with this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ohio-state-nfl-draft/ac4c23c21d9d27908c57ea0c

He's tanking his value to be around at 4.

 

[kerouac9]

Pro

QB

RB

DL

OL

LB

TE

S

CB

WR

Non

QB

RB

DL

OL

LB

CB

WR

2017​

3​

1​

1​

1​

1​

1​

1​

3​

2018​

2​

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

2019​

1​

2​

2​

1​

1​

2​

1​

2​

2020​

3​

2​

3​

1​

2​

1​

2021​

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

1​

3​

1​

2​

Total

10​

2​

7​

3​

4​

2​

2​

3​

1​

6​

1​

3​

5​

3​

3​

6​

Four QBs were drafted in the top 12 of the 2018 NFL draft. Baker, Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. Two were drafted in 2019 -- Kyler and Daniel Jones.

 

[kerouac9]

So Harrison is not going to attend the combine nor work out at OSU pro day. He has not hired an agent as of this date. Does anyone hove concerns with this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ohio-state-nfl-draft/ac4c23c21d9d27908c57ea0c

Zero. Why should anyone be concerned?

 

[Chopper0080]

So Harrison is not going to attend the combine nor work out at OSU pro day. He has not hired an agent as of this date. Does anyone hove concerns with this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ohio-state-nfl-draft/ac4c23c21d9d27908c57ea0c

Nope. He doesn't have anything to gain.

 

[Totally_Red]

So Harrison is not going to attend the combine nor work out at OSU pro day. He has not hired an agent as of this date. Does anyone hove concerns with this?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ohio-state-nfl-draft/ac4c23c21d9d27908c57ea0c

Not unless he refuses a private workout with the Cardinals. He is a sellers market but you still want to see the house and have it inspected (check him medically).