Here are my thoughts.
I think MONTI wants his cake and eat it too, so to speak.
In other words, a move down is contingent on a deal with the LACs to return to #5 and select MHJ.
If he traded with the GIANTS for, let's say, a two in 2024 and a two in 2025, he'd be willing to give the Chargers a #3 (maybe a #2) in this year's draft to move up one spot. And if he traded with the Vikings for #11, #23 and a first in 2025, he'd be willing to give up #11, #27 and, let's say, #104 to get up to #5.
In the first case, the CARDS net two second-round drafts from the GIANTS, but if the price to move up to #5 is a second-rounder this year, the CARDS have netted an extra #2 in 2025.
In the second, they've improved their second selection in the first round by four spots and garnered an extra first-round pick in 2025.
If the LACs can't be convinced in advance, MONTI selects MHJ at #4.
P.S. I believe that Mike Bidwill wants his FITZ of the future, and that's MHJ.