Draft Overview

[oaken1]

Quite surprised you missed the actual facts there Harry. He left OK and moved back to Texas to be closer to his daughter - NOT because he was "homesick". It was a very responsible and mature decision on his part. Consistent with who he is... His coaches and teammates lauded his leadership and maturity. He was a captain at A&M. He is in fact, the photo-typical Keim pick...

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just sayin....

 

[Cardiac]

Being homesick and simply wanting to be closer to your family are two different things. Being homesick means you are having a hard time functioning being away from home and there are no reports to suggest that this was the case for Williams.

"She turned 2 last February, and I missed her birthday," he said. "That made me homesick. I wasn't able see her at all. I went to Oklahoma early and had been there all year. I had a good relationship with her mother, but her mother wasn't going to move to Oklahoma."

From the article that Harry posted and obviously some did not take the time to read.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Being homesick and simply wanting to be closer to your family are two different things. Being homesick means you are having a hard time functioning being away from home and there are no reports to suggest that this was the case for Williams.

This

 

[Cardiac]

This

"She turned 2 last February, and I missed her birthday," he said. "That made me homesick. I wasn't able see her at all. I went to Oklahoma early and had been there all year. I had a good relationship with her mother, but her mother wasn't going to move to Oklahoma."

From the article that Harry posted and obviously some did not take the time to read.

 

[Harry]

Perhaps you'll like this link better unless you think CBS is out to discredit him as well.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1984362/brandon-williams

Just put "definition homesick" into Google. It has nothing to do with perfornance nor did I say he performed poorly as a result. I was still assessing prospects when this happened and it was the common terminology used then likely because he himself says in the first link he was "homesick."

By the way in the same sentence I mentioned his neck injury was also part of the decision. Was that belittling?

 

[Chopper0080]

My biggest issue w/ the Cardinals post-draft is that there is not much is the wya of a backup plan is Peterson and Bucannon get hurt. It isn't that you have to have a player behind him who is as good, but one who can do similar things. Bethel and Fua seem like their primary backups, and that is scary.

That being said, tough to beat the depth we carry on the OL, WR, DL and OLB.

 

[Cardiac]

My biggest issue w/ the Cardinals post-draft is that there is not much is the wya of a backup plan is Peterson and Bucannon get hurt. It isn't that you have to have a player behind him who is as good, but one who can do similar things. Bethel and Fua seem like their primary backups, and that is scary.

That being said, tough to beat the depth we carry on the OL, WR, DL and OLB.

And RB, Safety and QB.

 

[Jetstream Green]

My biggest issue w/ the Cardinals post-draft is that there is not much is the wya of a backup plan is Peterson and Bucannon get hurt. It isn't that you have to have a player behind him who is as good, but one who can do similar things. Bethel and Fua seem like their primary backups, and that is scary.

That being said, tough to beat the depth we carry on the OL, WR, DL and OLB.

I do not have a problem with Brandon Williams because frankly I think what the Cardinals need is a vet for depth with the situation with Peterson being the only guy with true experience and ability... really would like Powers because no matter the rookie we need a legit NFL CB to at least pad our depth and our collection right now is a year off

 

[82CardsGrad]

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just sayin....

LOL... Thumbs too damn big for the phone! [emoji6]

 

[82CardsGrad]

Perhaps you'll like this link better unless you think CBS is out to discredit him as well.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1984362/brandon-williams



Just put "definition homesick" into Google. It has nothing to do with perfornance nor did I say he performed poorly as a result. I was still assessing prospects when this happened and it was the common terminology used then likely because he himself says in the first link he was "homesick."



By the way in the same sentence I mentioned his neck injury was also part of the decision. Was that belittling?

I could be wrong, but wasn't / isn't your consistent position on this draft been that the Cards took a bunch of risks they shouldn't have taken? That you would've preferred they went in different directions?
Just seems to me that your comments on Williams were more aimed at painting him in a way that supported your overall position.
Like I said, I could be wrong... And if I am I'm sorry. However, the optics sure do seem to support my perspective here.

 

[Harry]

Close. My position was they would have been better off choosing players who could help immediately. In his case that's the gamble. The post that started this thread is there to read. It doesn't say he had a bad experience at OK, it says he had an odd career and seeks to explain how he became a CB. In fact it says he did well at CB considering his lack of experience. When's the last time you heard of an RB moving to CB and starting in the SEC? I don't think it's negative about his play. It is concerned about how he can make an immediate impact. I think the Cards focus should have been on helping next year with the early picks. This guy is not an attitude problem, he's just raw at a position guys who've played for years have trouble transitioning quickly from.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think Boehm will start Week 1 and Nkemdiche will play a significant role and likely start sooner rather than later. Other than that, the team really got little value out of their other picks.

Although, if Toner turns out to suck, I'm going to change his name to Ink Cartridge.

Or we can just recycle Toner.

 

[Russ Smith]

IMO the key to the draft is Nkemdiche, if he is able to come in and play well right away, keep out of trouble and play hard, he's exactly what we needed another guy who can collapse the pocket and reduce our need to blitz on every down.

The rest of the draft seems hit or miss with the possible exception of Boehm who seems to have good reviews.

But adding Chandler Jones and Nkemdiche and hopefully signing Freeney back could put us in a situation where we can get to the QB without having to rush 7 guys. Imagine those 3 and Campbell in on a passing down the "chance" is there for us to improve significantly in that area.

We have other holes I agree with Shane ILB is still a concern and depth at CB too. But in the end the most glaring hole on this team last year was pass rush up front, we always had to blitz the last few years, we appear to have addressed that and hopefully made it much less of a problem.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Close. My position was they would have been better off choosing players who could help immediately. In his case that's the gamble. The post that started this thread is there to read. It doesn't say he had a bad experience at OK, it says he had an odd career and seeks to explain how he became a CB. In fact it says he did well at CB considering his lack of experience. When's the last time you heard of an RB moving to CB and starting in the SEC? I don't think it's negative about his play. It is concerned about how he can make an immediate impact. I think the Cards focus should have been on helping next year with the early picks. This guy is not an attitude problem, he's just raw at a position guys who've played for years have trouble transitioning quickly from.

Fair enough... I guess since my view of these picks is a good deal different from yours, I read more into your comments than perhaps is there...
Go Cards!

 

[MadCardDisease]

There is one pick I really like, Evan Boehm. He's a terrific center prospect. If Shipley falters or gets hurt, Boehm may Wally Pipp him and play for years.

This was the only pick that I was really excited about as well. With Boehm and Iupati and Mathis in the middle they should be able to get some really good push in the running game. In the video I have watched of him I didn't see any glaring issues in pass protection. Plus he has that nasty attitude on the field you love to see from OL. Outstanding pick in the 4th round.

I was really concerned about Nkendiche when I first heard the commissioner announce the pick. However after doing a little more research on him and listening to Keim and Arians talk about the kid I have warmed up on the pick. If Arians can light a fire under this kid and he keeps on the straight and narrow this could be an awesome pick. However I agree with you that he definitely comes with risk.

 

[conraddobler]

Boehm is a surprisingly good run blocker I am worried about him being able to hold his own in terms of being bull rushed but if he can he's the real deal.

He's very smart and a great leader type.

 

[Cardiac]

This was the only pick that I was really excited about as well. With Boehm and Iupati and Mathis in the middle they should be able to get some really good push in the running game. In the video I have watched of him I didn't see any glaring issues in pass protection. Plus he has that nasty attitude on the field you love to see from OL. Outstanding pick in the 4th round.

Agree.

I was really concerned about Nkendiche when I first heard the commissioner announce the pick. However after doing a little more research on him and listening to Keim and Arians talk about the kid I have warmed up on the pick. If Arians can light a fire under this kid and he keeps on the straight and narrow this could be an awesome pick. However I agree with you that he definitely comes with risk.

Exactly how I felt about the Honey Badger pick and that has turned out fairly well.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I was pimping Boehm over the last week or so before the draft, because I kept watching other center prospects and I liked none of them as much as I like Boehm. He reminds me of a stouter Sendlein, and I mean that as a compliment.

He's stronger than Sendlein, but he's a pretty assignment focused guy that works hard to get off his first block and get to the second level.

I will be surprised if Boehm isn't the Cardinals starting center 5 years from now.

I'm in the minority, but I like the Brandon Williams pick. If you compare Williams to the rest of the corners left on the board when the Cardinals picked, I think he was far and away the best athlete among the remaining corners. Cornerback is a position where athletes shine and Williams will have a good chance to learn and contribute right away.

I'm not as keen on Christian or Toner, but that's largely due to the lack of film to watch. Harlan Miller looks like a gamer and I think he makes the roster this year.