Draft Philosophy

[Southpaw]

McDowell has a worrisome injury history. Cunnngham is climbing the boards. Vandy's play didn't help anyone today. Several would take him but not my choice. He may be more an athlete than an in your face player. I want tough in the middle. Minter has the right attitude, but is a little short on talent. Don't see him worth mid-first money. Others do.

Cunningham looks and plays small.

 

[Southpaw]

Ben Boulware from Clemson 3rd day ILB.

 

[football karma]

No to Cunningham. It's only 1 game but I watched him yesterday(first half) and he did nothing. He looked pretty small and was useless once OL got ahold of him.

As someone who had kinda defended him: yesterday was not good.

He confirmed his weakness: misses tackles. i saw at least two of those, one going for a TD -- and no real impactful plays to offset.

 

[Chopper0080]

Lots of players to like in this draft.

I really like Jamal Adams, but I'm not sure if he can play FS. If he could, I would have no problem adding him to the backend of the defense. He has been a leader of the LSU defense, and makes a ton of plays. again, the only question I would have is are we sure he can be successful as a single high player or does he need to be around the LOS ala Mathieu. He is the player I would like most after Rueben Foster in round 1 if he can play FS.

I like John Ross, but am aware of his injury history.

OJ Howard and Jake Butt are really solid trade back options in my mind. Both could be great fits for us.

Edge rusher is something that hasn't been talked about but there should multiple options in Derek BArrett, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, and Charles Harris. Also McKinnley out os UCLA is an option, but a one year wonder type of guy to this point.
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Guys I like later on are
Pat Elflien - C - Ohio St
Jarrad Davis - ILB - Florida
Dorian Johnson - OG - Pitt
Jaleel Johnson - De - Iowa
Lowell Lotelelei - NT - Utah
Cooper Kupp - WR - Eastern Washington
Jarron Jones - De - Notre Dame
Micah Kiser - ILB - Virginia
Zach Banner OL - USC (an underachiever, but a lot of potential)
Ryan Glasgow - DE - Michigan

 

[WildBB]

I believe the Cards let Minter walk. Looking at key prospects I'm thinking the Cards go ILB, CB or WR. The most impressive player I see is Foster. He's not Kuechly. He's a different player, but in terms of impacting a game he's highly skilled. He's a force sideline to sideline. He controls the gap he targets and excels at shaking would be blockers. He's decent in pass coverage and certainly is better than Minter. He also is a better blitzer. The opposing offense must account for him on every play. He's better than Dansby. He'll plug the middle for years. He's a rare talent that can't be passed if available. If he's gone or the Cards re-sign Minter the best receiver is Williams. The best corner is Tabor. Either would be a good choice. I'd take Williams. Even if Fitz stays for a year Floyd's absence leaves a major void. Williams is more like Fitz than Floyd, but Boldin & Fitz took the Cards to a Super Bowl and neither was a burner. There are other good receivers but the need at WR is greater than corner, so I'm filling the biggest need with an outstanding player. Als the CB pool is deeper. I wouldn't criticize taking Tabor, but with Peterson to take the top receiver, the Cards' secondary has done well with simply a competent #2 corner. For certain one of these 3 players will be there when they choose. This should be a no brainer!

I think Williams, the CB they drafted last season needs a bit more seasoning, but they are still high on him. They passed on some very good prospects there to draft him. Writing him off after one season would be a mistake imo. If you want bring in a vet to push him and Cooper and sign them early rather than waiting. You don't need to burn a #1 on a CB!

You also don't mention the OL. No one watching this team this year can just completely discount an OL in the 1st Rd.

I'd go Foster or offense.

 

[Mitch]

If Foster is off the board, I would love to see SK move down, add another 3rd or 4th rounder to do so, and take RB/WR/PR Christian McCaffrey of Stanford. The juice he would add to the offense and return games would at times be game changing. It always tells you something when the Patriots are drooling over him. And they are. BA started playing with a number of 2 RB sets where one would off-set or go in motion as a receiver. Could you imagine the pressure it would put on defenses to try to cover both D.J. Johnson and Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield? Talk about passion and work ethic---100% all the way,

 

[Mitch]

2 scary things on McKinney, was hurt alot in college, and was really only very productive his last year. Everyone knew he was a good athlete but he was undersized and hurt quite a bit. The last year he got bigger, and played hurt off and on during the year. Very athletic kid but he strikes me as a boom or bust pick.

Good points. But, I have a feeling he is going to be one of the rages of the combine---and his tape this year is often superb.

 

[TheCardFan]

Lots of players to like in this draft.

OJ Howard and Jake Butt are really solid trade back options in my mind. Both could be great fits for us.

My favorite TE (later in draft) is George Kittle from Iowa. He is a terrific blocker (athletic) and is very underrated in the passing game. He is not the next Gronk but he is at least as good as Gresham IMO.

Speaking of Gresham. He turned down 23m to sign with us last year...we can't afford (and shouldn't pay) him 4-5m /year. I like his fire but his blocking can be replaced and we don't throw to him enough to warrant that type of coin.

 

[Chopper0080]

My favorite TE (later in draft) is George Kittle from Iowa. He is a terrific blocker (athletic) and is very underrated in the passing game. He is not the next Gronk but he is at least as good as Gresham IMO.

Speaking of Gresham. He turned down 23m to sign with us last year...we can't afford (and shouldn't pay) him 4-5m /year. I like his fire but his blocking can be replaced and we don't throw to him enough to warrant that type of coin.

That is good to know. I will look into him.

 

[WildBB]

If Foster is off the board, I would love to see SK move down, add another 3rd or 4th rounder to do so, and take RB/WR/PR Christian McCaffrey of Stanford. The juice he would add to the offense and return games would at times be game changing. It always tells you something when the Patriots are drooling over him. And they are. BA started playing with a number of 2 RB sets where one would off-set or go in motion as a receiver. Could you imagine the pressure it would put on defenses to try to cover both D.J. Johnson and Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield? Talk about passion and work ethic---100% all the way,

The way everyone is drooling over Foster, you know he won't be there. He's probably gone top 12-15 at least. He'll be picked one or two picks ahead of us. I'd take McCaffrey. This offense and ST's need a major jolt and can't only rely on DJ. That's a recipe for disaster if he goes out for any length of time, which might be inevitable unfortunately because of his position and workload. I like that pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

If Foster is off the board, I would love to see SK move down, add another 3rd or 4th rounder to do so, and take RB/WR/PR Christian McCaffrey of Stanford. The juice he would add to the offense and return games would at times be game changing. It always tells you something when the Patriots are drooling over him. And they are. BA started playing with a number of 2 RB sets where one would off-set or go in motion as a receiver. Could you imagine the pressure it would put on defenses to try to cover both D.J. Johnson and Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield? Talk about passion and work ethic---100% all the way,

I love him but as I said in an earlier thread if anybody is going to slide to the 3rd round it's him because let's be honest, there just aren't enough white RB's in the NFL for teams to not be somewhat hesitant, and the ones who are in the NFL are for the most part FB's, not a guy like him. There's a few guys who are tailbacks and can catch the ball out of the backfield but not many and they weren't drafted high.

I think he's a better KOR than punt returner he has good hands but he seems more dangerous as a KOR.

He would be a nice pickup if he's there in the 3rd round, don't think we should pick a RB before then.

 

[Russ Smith]

Good points. But, I have a feeling he is going to be one of the rages of the combine---and his tape this year is often superb.

What I like about him is he played hurt and he didn't stop playing when Rosen got hurt and the wheels fell off, he still competed game after game which wasn't easy the way things went South so fast.

 

[Chopper0080]

Essentially, my top 10 looks like this

Myles Garrett - EDGE
Rueben Foster - ILB
Jamal Adams - S
Quincy Wilson - CB
Marlon Humphry - CB
Johnathan Allen - DE
Corey Davis - WR
Mike Williams - WR
Pat Elflein - C
Derek Barnett - EDGE

That is just how I see the top 10 players for our roster right now. Players just outside of it are John Ross, OJ Howard, Jake Butt, Taco Charlton, Tim Williams, Zach Cunningham, Raekwon McMillan, Sidney Jones, Desmond King, and Tabor/Ohio St CBs.

What stands out for me is how deep this draft is for edge defenders and CBs. RB is also very deep. TE is the best it has been in years.

I don't love the defensive line class, and I feel that we would have better luck upgrading at NT vs DE outside of the first round. Offenisve line is similar for me. I like OG & C much more than OT.

ILB has nice depth.

 

[WildBB]

Essentially, my top 10 looks like this

Myles Garrett - EDGE
Rueben Foster - ILB
Jamal Adams - S
Quincy Wilson - CB
Marlon Humphry - CB
Johnathan Allen - DE
Corey Davis - WR
Mike Williams - WR
Pat Elflein - C
Derek Barnett - EDGE

That is just how I see the top 10 players for our roster right now. Players just outside of it are John Ross, OJ Howard, Jake Butt, Taco Charlton, Tim Williams, Zach Cunningham, Raekwon McMillan, Sidney Jones, Desmond King, and Tabor/Ohio St CBs.

What stands out for me is how deep this draft is for edge defenders and CBs. RB is also very deep. TE is the best it has been in years.

I don't love the defensive line class, and I feel that we would have better luck upgrading at NT vs DE outside of the first round. Offenisve line is similar for me. I like OG & C much more than OT.

ILB has nice depth.

I'd really like to add a tenacious cover safety for this D.

Very surprised you seem to overlook Malik Hooker in your evals.

12/10/16: Hooker has been one of the breakout draft prospects in 2016. He has totaled 67 tackles with five for a loss, .5 sacks, four passes broken up and six interceptions with three returned for touchdowns this season.

The evaluators who love Hooker feel he is a safety who can do it all. In coverage, he is fast and athletic with the skills to defend the deep part of the field. Sources also say Hooker has the length and strength to play in the tackle box. They also like how Hooker drives down on the ball. They feel he is a fast, rangy defender with good ball skills. Right now, they think Hooker is on his way to being a top-20 pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Two top national scouts from NFC teams said that Hooker's skill set is the best they've seen from a safety since Eric Berry. They like Hooker more than Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers or Marcus Maye. One scout said, in his opinion, Hooker could end up being an elite safety prospect comparable to Berry or the late Sean Taylor. Many in the scouting community feel that Taylor was the best of the best in terms of safety prospects this century. Both of these scouts believe that Hooker is a future top-10 pick.

 

[juza76]

At now we have the eleven pick
If we win against the Rams we could slide to the pick number 16, if the several 7-8 teams lose the final match
I assume we could have our pick in the 13-14 range

Players who will be certainly drafted in top ten
Miles garret
Deshon kizer
Mitch trubisky
Jonathan Allen
Jabril peppers
Leonard Founette

Players would be probably drafted in top ten
**** Tarbor
Tim Williams
Cam Robinson
Mike Williams
Reuben Foster
Deshon Watson
Marlon Humphrey
Derek Barnett


We have a chance to get a player of the second group

 

[football karma]

Essentially, my top 10 looks like this

Myles Garrett - EDGE
Rueben Foster - ILB
Jamal Adams - S
Quincy Wilson - CB
Marlon Humphry - CB
Johnathan Allen - DE
Corey Davis - WR
Mike Williams - WR
Pat Elflein - C
Derek Barnett - EDGE

That is just how I see the top 10 players for our roster right now. Players just outside of it are John Ross, OJ Howard, Jake Butt, Taco Charlton, Tim Williams, Zach Cunningham, Raekwon McMillan, Sidney Jones, Desmond King, and Tabor/Ohio St CBs.

What stands out for me is how deep this draft is for edge defenders and CBs. RB is also very deep. TE is the best it has been in years.

I don't love the defensive line class, and I feel that we would have better luck upgrading at NT vs DE outside of the first round. Offenisve line is similar for me. I like OG & C much more than OT.

ILB has nice depth.

i think this is a pretty solid list ( one nit -- i think its JamaR Adams). He is a FS, and one with good size and speed -- and has been compared to HB in terms of instincts. might be too good to pass up

and FWIW: no center in this draft is worth a top 15 pick -- Id rather have Cam Robinson of Alabama

yes, its a third tackle -- but like half the tackles taken, they get moved inside to guard. And, it gives you some flexibiilty for 1. Another situation like the current where both tackles go down, and 2. an easy transition when Veldheers deal comes up in a few years.

 

[JeffGollin]

Jake Butt is #1 prospect on my All Name Team.

 

[NJCardFan]

It's amazing that as good as we are, we have some gaping holes. RG, CB, WR depth, QBOTF(or in general as Palmer ages), ILB, ST help(but this isn't something you draft for). Going to be an interesting off season.

 

[Chopper0080]

i think this is a pretty solid list ( one nit -- i think its JamaR Adams). He is a FS, and one with good size and speed -- and has been compared to HB in terms of instincts. might be too good to pass up

and FWIW: no center in this draft is worth a top 15 pick -- Id rather have Cam Robinson of Alabama

yes, its a third tackle -- but like half the tackles taken, they get moved inside to guard. And, it gives you some flexibiilty for 1. Another situation like the current where both tackles go down, and 2. an easy transition when Veldheers deal comes up in a few years.

Elflein will play in the NFL longer than Cam Robinson. Mark it down. Elflein is the best offensive lineman in this draft. Guy can play all three interior positions, and has the strength and work ethic to last. 10 year NFL C.

It's Jamal Adams btw.

 

[Chopper0080]

It's amazing that as good as we are, we have some gaping holes. RG, CB, WR depth, QBOTF(or in general as Palmer ages), ILB, ST help(but this isn't something you draft for). Going to be an interesting off season.

Most teams are like this.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'd really like to add a tenacious cover safety for this D.

Very surprised you seem to overlook Malik Hooker in your evals.

12/10/16: Hooker has been one of the breakout draft prospects in 2016. He has totaled 67 tackles with five for a loss, .5 sacks, four passes broken up and six interceptions with three returned for touchdowns this season.

The evaluators who love Hooker feel he is a safety who can do it all. In coverage, he is fast and athletic with the skills to defend the deep part of the field. Sources also say Hooker has the length and strength to play in the tackle box. They also like how Hooker drives down on the ball. They feel he is a fast, rangy defender with good ball skills. Right now, they think Hooker is on his way to being a top-20 pick in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Two top national scouts from NFC teams said that Hooker's skill set is the best they've seen from a safety since Eric Berry. They like Hooker more than Jamal Adams, Jabrill Peppers or Marcus Maye. One scout said, in his opinion, Hooker could end up being an elite safety prospect comparable to Berry or the late Sean Taylor. Many in the scouting community feel that Taylor was the best of the best in terms of safety prospects this century. Both of these scouts believe that Hooker is a future top-10 pick.

I believe Hooker is a red short sophomore which is why I am waiting to see if he declares before talking him up too much. I would still take Adams over him, but he has the look of a good player.

 

[NJCardFan]

Most teams are like this.

I think we all need to qualify quotes like this with "Most teams not called the Patriots..."

 

[Harry]

I can't imagine trading down. If they were still picking 6 and Foster was gone, maybe..... However, where they figure to be the reward isn't sufficient. Think Suggs! There will be a quality receiver on the board and that pool gets marginal fast. The only way this would work is if somehow one of the "big" 3 QBs dropped and someone wanted to overpay to grab them.

 

[Chopper0080]

I can't imagine trading down. If they were still picking 6 and Foster was gone, maybe..... However, where they figure to be the reward isn't sufficient. Think Suggs! There will be a quality receiver on the board and that pool gets marginal fast. The only way this would work is if somehow one of the "big" 3 QBs dropped and someone wanted to overpay to grab them.

If Foster is gone and you have addressed WR in free agency, it can make sense to trade down. Arians has always maintained that QBs learn by playing, so as much as we may want it, I don't see the Cardinals drafting a QB in round 1 to sit. If are mid first, are looking at a CB, S, TE, ILB, OG, C or OLB trading down 10 spots makes a ton of sense. Of course you need a trade partner, but I think it is feasible. I just don't see us entering the draft without having added a WR.

 

[juza76]

If Foster is gone and you have addressed WR in free agency, it can make sense to trade down. Arians has always maintained that QBs learn by playing, so as much as we may want it, I don't see the Cardinals drafting a QB in round 1 to sit. If are mid first, are looking at a CB, S, TE, ILB, OG, C or OLB trading down 10 spots makes a ton of sense. Of course you need a trade partner, but I think it is feasible. I just don't see us entering the draft without having added a WR.

Arians said many things but he also like to shuffle the cards
Yesterday I got a resolute response by darren urban, he said a qb must be drafted before palmer retire