Draft: RB Gurley checks out fine physically

[Stout]

Frank Gore, Willis McGahee, and Jamaal Lewis say hello.

And that's without doing research. I'm sure there are more.

EDIT: after looking it up, some other RB's you can add to the list include Jamaal Charles, Priest Holmes, Jamal Anderson, Terry Allen, Edge, and Garrison Hearst.

Yeah, and there are probably thousands of other RBs who injured their knees in college who never came back from their injuries. Nice you found the handful that did.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He's on track meaning he can fully practice in about late Oct
Will be able to play late Dec.
No thanks!
Any RB (other than AP) with an ACL has never come back to full steam ahead.
Add to it name a rook that's missed all of OTAs and Training camp that's been worth a pint?
Then add to it giving the kid a ton of money while he's doing nothing...problem

I wouldn't touch Him till the 3rd round

Disagree? Answer the previous question with any NFL player at the RB spot...and I'm talking ever.

I'm not betting on a bet that has NEVER hit!
That's just stupid betting

Yeah, and there are probably thousands of other RBs who injured their knees in college who never came back from their injuries. Nice you found the handful that did.

I was merely pointing out how wrong he was in his claims about RB's not being able to recover from ACL's.

You're right, there's many on the list that have never returned to form. It's a list that would include Ki-jana Carter.

However, Gurley's knee has never been considered the serious variety as it was a lone ACL and not a total knee re-construction.

 

[juza76]

BTW gurley will be selected before then we think
so we can discuss about tevin coleman jay ajay tj yeldon david johnson matt jones

 

[Stout]

I was merely pointing out how wrong he was in his claims about RB's not being able to recover from ACL's.

You're right, there's many on the list that have never returned to form. It's a list that would include Ki-jana Carter.

However, Gurley's knee has never been considered the serious variety as it was a lone ACL and not a total knee re-construction.

RBs can definitely overcome a knee injury. Problem is, we're talking our first round pick here. I'd gladly take a shot on him in the 2nd. Not in the first. Too big of a risk with our top pick, IMO.

 

[oaken1]

RBs can definitely overcome a knee injury. Problem is, we're talking our first round pick here. I'd gladly take a shot on him in the 2nd. Not in the first. Too big of a risk with our top pick, IMO.

I agree.

Let's take that big OT from Penn State instead....much safer pick

 

[oaken1]

for those that do not remember.... AP was injured every year in college..... had shoulder surgery after freshman year.........missed time to a broken foot and bad ankle in sophomore year.............then missed time to a broken collarbone in his junior season.

since he has been in the NFL I do not recall any issues with broken feet or collarbones.....

sometimes players have durability questions at draft time.....and they work out just fine.

 

[Stout]

I agree.

Let's take that big OT from Penn State instead....much safer pick

My, aren't you a tiny tower of wit lol

for those that do not remember.... AP was injured every year in college..... had shoulder surgery after freshman year.........missed time to a broken foot and bad ankle in sophomore year.............then missed time to a broken collarbone in his junior season.

since he has been in the NFL I do not recall any issues with broken feet or collarbones.....

sometimes players have durability questions at draft time.....and they work out just fine.

The great preponderance of time, they don't.

 

[football karma]

Yeah, and there are probably thousands of other RBs who injured their knees in college who never came back from their injuries. Nice you found the handful that did.

there are thousands of RBs in college what even with un-injured knees would not have made it in the NFL. So it isnt about RBs with ACL injuries who didnt make it. Nearly all wouldnt have anyway.

the question is this: who are the highly regarded RBs ( college or pro) that suffered an ACL injury and were never the same?

a couple folks have listed RBs who were productive, had an acl injury, and then returned to form.

so list who hasnt.

Not sure if Marcus Lattimore counts, as that was far, far worse than a single ACL.

Tim Hightower is one who had an ACL and hasnt played since.

 

[WildBB]

I agree.

Let's take that big OT from Penn State instead....much safer pick

I like Donovan Smith a lot. But he's not even a 2nd Rd. pick.

 

[ARZCardinals]

there are thousands of RBs in college what even with un-injured knees would not have made it in the NFL. So it isnt about RBs with ACL injuries who didnt make it. Nearly all wouldnt have anyway.

the question is this: who are the highly regarded RBs ( college or pro) that suffered an ACL injury and were never the same?

a couple folks have listed RBs who were productive, had an acl injury, and then returned to form.

so list who hasnt.

Not sure if Marcus Lattimore counts, as that was far, far worse than a single ACL.

Tim Hightower is one who had an ACL and hasnt played since.

The American Journal of Sports Medicine says in a 2015 study by 5 doctors
Conclusion: Nearly four fifths of National Football League running backs and wide receivers who sustain an anterior cruciate ligament injury return to play in a game. On return to competition, player performance of injured players is reduced by one third.

SO 1 out of 5 doesn't ever return and the 4 others average a 1/3 drop in production. from 100% to 66%.

Can't argue with the American Journal of Sports Medicine

READ THE FULL ARTICLE HERE


The study was done and proven! Sure there are those that'll point to AP, but he's like the one guy who goes to vegas and won...most go and lose...but everyone points to him and says 'see you can win.' That's how those casino's keep getting bigger and bigger.

I'll go with those that study the facts...and they say he won't ever return to be the player he was in college.

Here is a 2nd Study for those of you who read facts
Conclusion: Most athletes who were not playing sport at 1 year had returned to some form of sport within 2 years after ACL reconstruction, which may suggest that athletes can take longer than the clinically expected time of 1 year to return to sport. However, only 2 of every 5 athletes were playing their preinjury level of sport at 2 years after surgery. When the results of the current study were combined with the results of athletes who had returned to sport at 1 year, the overall rate of return to the preinjury level sport at 2 years was 60%. Demographics, physical function, and psychological factors were related to playing the preinjury level sport at 2 years after surgery, supporting the notion that returning to sport after surgery is multifactorial.

Now that we KNOW what we KNOW ...you still want to draft him in the 1st round?

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[Jetstream Green]

The American Journal of Sports Medicine says in a 2015 study by 5 doctors
Conclusion: Nearly four fifths of National Football League running backs and wide receivers who sustain an anterior cruciate ligament injury return to play in a game. On return to competition, player performance of injured players is reduced by one third.

SO 1 out of 5 doesn't ever return and the 4 others average a 1/3 drop in production. from 100% to 66%.

Can't argue with the American Journal of Sports Medicine

READ THE FULL ARTICLE HERE


The study was done and proven....or we can go Fox News and say ...study shmuddy...I know what I know....and I don't believe in no study. Global warming isn't happening...Lake Powell and every other lake isn't going down...the people living there and the satellite pictures are all lies....and ACL's aren't going to be an issue for Mr. Georgia.

I'll go with those that study the facts...and they say he won't ever return to be the player he was in college.

Now this is a response by you on this subject I can respect and makes me think... should have posted this in the first place, so what do you guys think about Melvin Gordon now lol

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The American Journal of Sports Medicine says in a 2015 study by 5 doctors
Conclusion: Nearly four fifths of National Football League running backs and wide receivers who sustain an anterior cruciate ligament injury return to play in a game. On return to competition, player performance of injured players is reduced by one third.

SO 1 out of 5 doesn't ever return and the 4 others average a 1/3 drop in production. from 100% to 66%.

Can't argue with the American Journal of Sports Medicine

READ THE FULL ARTICLE HERE


The study was done and proven! Sure there are those that'll point to AP, but he's like the one guy who goes to vegas and won...most go and lose...but everyone points to him and says 'see you can win.' That's how those casino's keep getting bigger and bigger.

I'll go with those that study the facts...and they say he won't ever return to be the player he was in college.

Here is a 2nd Study for those of you who read facts
Conclusion: Most athletes who were not playing sport at 1 year had returned to some form of sport within 2 years after ACL reconstruction, which may suggest that athletes can take longer than the clinically expected time of 1 year to return to sport. However, only 2 of every 5 athletes were playing their preinjury level of sport at 2 years after surgery. When the results of the current study were combined with the results of athletes who had returned to sport at 1 year, the overall rate of return to the preinjury level sport at 2 years was 60%. Demographics, physical function, and psychological factors were related to playing the preinjury level sport at 2 years after surgery, supporting the notion that returning to sport after surgery is multifactorial.

Now that we KNOW what we KNOW ...you still want to draft him in the 1st round?

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You conveniently forgot to mention the study was based on players that played over a decade ago, 1998-2002. The medical field has changed quite dramatically since then.

Plus their reference of "power rating" is a pretty flimsy reference.

Besides, nobody is saying there isn't a risk involved or that some players don't return to form. You said not 1 NFL RB, other than AP,has EVER returned to form.

 

[Bodha]

I like Gurley. His knee doesn't bother me much anymore because I figure Id rather take a risky superstar, than a safe seat filler.

Not to say Gordon is a seat filler, but too often Ive noticed his runs are either:

To the house
TFL

one or the other. and in the NFL, house runs are harder to come by.

 

[ARZCardinals]

You conveniently forgot to mention the study was based on players that played over a decade ago, 1998-2002. The medical field has changed quite dramatically since then.

Plus their reference of "power rating" is a pretty flimsy reference.

Besides, nobody is saying there isn't a risk involved or that some players don't return to form. You said not 1 NFL RB, other than AP,has EVER returned to form.

yea....keep talking.

The FACTS state they don't return

5 doctors with as you say "flimsy reference." Yea, the American Journal of Sports Medicine is flimsy...

Bahahahahahahahahahha!!!! Please!

I'm moving on from this one....game set match!!!

You can form your opinion, but the FACTS are in.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

BTW gurley will be selected before then we think
so we can discuss about tevin coleman jay ajay tj yeldon david johnson matt jones

I think Gurley goes to the Texans or Chargers. Would the Falcons consider him

if the pass rusher they crave is gone?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

yea....keep talking.

The FACTS state they don't return

5 doctors with as you say "flimsy reference." Yea, the American Journal of Sports Medicine is flimsy...

Bahahahahahahahahahha!!!! Please!

I'm moving on from this one....game set match!!!

You can form your opinion, but the FACTS are in.

Fact: 1998-2002, move on.

 

[Stout]

I think Gurley goes to the Texans or Chargers. Would the Falcons consider him

if the pass rusher they crave is gone?

I was listening to the radio the other day, and a few pundits (don't remember who) thought Atlanta might be willing to snag Gurley.

 

[football karma]

The FACTS state they don't return

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thats not what it says

it says that 20% dont return. Of the other 80% who return, there is an average "lost" effectiveness relative to pre-injury. Since its an average -- there are higher levels of return and lower levels of return.

If it were a certainty that ACL = 30% loss of effectiveness -- then 100% of players with the injury wouldnt play again in the NFL.

But this isnt what we have all seen in experience---

Tim Hightower didnt play again. Terrel Davis and Rashad Mendenhall lost something. Jamaal Charles and AP came back at 100%. Different ranges of return.

so its about risk profile --- we get it, you dont think its worth the risk.

 

[az jam]

I think Gurley goes to the Texans or Chargers. Would the Falcons consider him

if the pass rusher they crave is gone?

I think you are right on Gurley going to the Chargers or Texans maybe even the Lions if he falls. IMO Falcons won't go RB in first round but will get a decent one in the 2nd round.

 

[WildBB]

yea....keep talking.

The FACTS state they don't return

5 doctors with as you say "flimsy reference." Yea, the American Journal of Sports Medicine is flimsy...

Bahahahahahahahahahha!!!! Please!

I'm moving on from this one....game set match!!!

You can form your opinion, but the FACTS are in.

Dude don't be arrogant. Your already making a name for yourself here. And not positively.

People have come out of coma's when multiple Dr's. have said they have NO chance. Their parents or spouses had faith.

The point was made that it didn't take into consideration medical advances and therapeutic advances made.

Just like in baseball where Tommy John surgery doesn't mean the end of effectiveness of pitchers any more. They can come back just as effective.

There are the same advances in ACL injuries taking place.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Here's a high opinion of Gurley:

I texted the scout asking who he thought the best player in the draft was. I said I thought it was Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper with the edge going to Williams. His response was that he'd put Gurley in that group too.

However, he did say there's a chance(albiet, a slight one) he's around at 24 because of the knee. If he's there, I sure hope Keim picks him. You'd be getting a top 5 talent at 24. That's stealing.

 

[Stout]

Here's a high opinion of Gurley:

I texted the scout asking who he thought the best player in the draft was. I said I thought it was Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper with the edge going to Williams. His response was that he'd put Gurley in that group too.

However, he did say there's a chance(albiet, a slight one) he's around at 24 because of the knee. If he's there, I sure hope Keim picks him. You'd be getting a top 5 talent at 24. That's stealing.

No, that's a big roll of the dice

 

[FrustratedFan04]

If we take a RB in the 1st round it'll be Gordon and if in the 2nd it'll be the kid from Indiana. Gordon is going to be special IMO.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Here's a high opinion of Gurley:

I texted the scout asking who he thought the best player in the draft was. I said I thought it was Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper with the edge going to Williams. His response was that he'd put Gurley in that group too.

However, he did say there's a chance(albiet, a slight one) he's around at 24 because of the knee. If he's there, I sure hope Keim picks him. You'd be getting a top 5 talent at 24. That's stealing.

I would bet if you asked the 32 GM's in the NFL who the best pure football player is in this draft over half would say Todd Gurley. Obviously that doesn't mean he will go top 5 because of the position he plays, but from just a pure football talent he is #1 on my board.

 

[juza76]

looks like he is not so far as someone indicate

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...gias-todd-gurley-shows-off-speed-on-treadmill