Draft Strategy/Trade Question

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When do teams start discussing potential trades for mid to late 1st round picks? I am thinking about someone like Cleveland or Denver trading up to our spot for a QB. Would they already be talking about the parameters of a trade (provided their guy is available) or does it happen much closer to the actual pick?
 

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When do teams start discussing potential trades for mid to late 1st round picks? I am thinking about someone like Cleveland or Denver trading up to our spot for a QB. Would they already be talking about the parameters of a trade (provided their guy is available) or does it happen much closer to the actual pick?

In this week leading up to the draft, the low-level scouts and coaches are calling likely UDFAs to start the recruiting process, and guys like Keim are calling around to potentially gauge who'd be willing to move up or down and set the early compensation.
 

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In most cases teams are trading up to target a specific player or occasionally a small group of players at one position. The problem with trading now, for example, is that your player(s) may be gone when the turn comes for the pick you acquired. So typically these trades happens as the draft goes along. Sometimes you get fairly certain the guys in front of your target slot won't take your guy. I can remember several times when teams traded up only to see someone trade in front of them and get their guy. That's why teams lie so much about who interests them. The other factor, of course, is that you have to have a team that wants to trade down. They also have to be realistic about their demands. These teams usually make their position known before draft day, but obviously don't typically announce it. Occasionally this is a last minute deal when a team loses the only player they see worth picking at their place in the draft. They all have other targets, but the it becomes a case of how far they can go down and still get a player they really want.

The Cards have done the correct procedure and let other teams know they have an interest in going up. The last minute trade down guys will call them and anyone else who has shown similar interest. Several guys make these inquiry calls, but only GMs or Personnel Directors on the teams that split GM duties, actually make the deals. Sometimes it gets very hectic as the rounds go on as the time between picks shrink. It's all very exciting.
 

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The only think I hope Keim is doing right now is telling the Steelers if they draft the player we want again, we are going to put a flaming bag of dog poop on his front porch.
 

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The only think I hope Keim is doing right now is telling the Steelers if they draft the player we want again, we are going to put a flaming bag of dog poop on his front porch.

Man I am so with you on that, I really thought Bud Dupree was going to fall into our lap last year that I was ready to order my new jersey, only to see Pitt pull the rug out from under our feet again.
 

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I've always wondered how it's handled when an on-the-fly legal agreement has to be made between two teams?

Say two teams trade picks. As the team that's moving back, your only condition is that the other team doesn't take your guy. With only 15? minutes to pick, there's no time to draft a contract. I'm guessing it's just handled as a verbal contract? The calls are recorded. So as long as there's a verbal offer and a verbal agreement, it should be legally binding.

Then again, maybe there is time to draft a quick contract and fax or email it over. I was going to say I'm sure that every team has a team of attornies in the war room with them. But those legal hours would be way too expensive. I guess every team has one or two staff attornies that are on salary? Maybe you bring in an outsider as well? Then what do you do, make them wait in the hall in case of emergency? You can't let them sit in on the action.
 

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I've always wondered how it's handled when an on-the-fly legal agreement has to be made between two teams?

Say two teams trade picks. As the team that's moving back, your only condition is that the other team doesn't take your guy. With only 15? minutes to pick, there's no time to draft a contract. I'm guessing it's just handled as a verbal contract? The calls are recorded. So as long as there's a verbal offer and a verbal agreement, it should be legally binding.

Then again, maybe there is time to draft a quick contract and fax or email it over. I was going to say I'm sure that every team has a team of attornies in the war room with them. But those legal hours would be way too expensive. I guess every team has one or two staff attornies that are on salary? Maybe you bring in an outsider as well? Then what do you do, make them wait in the hall in case of emergency? You can't let them sit in on the action.

Because the NFL is a cartel, I think that the verbal agreement stands as submitted and approved through the league office. No formal contracts are involved. In fact, I think that teams still have to fax the particulars into the league office for approval.
 

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Because the NFL is a cartel, I think that the verbal agreement stands as submitted and approved through the league office. No formal contracts are involved. In fact, I think that teams still have to fax the particulars into the league office for approval.

Right. And then the league has the team of attornies on standby.
 

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I believe it is just like the NBA. Both teams make a trade call to the league office, whom then reviews the deal and approve/deny it. Much easier to deal with draft picks, because its a 1-1 relationship.
 
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