Draft WR Lamb in 1st round

[dscher]

what i really want the team to do in this draft:

trade down multiple times with a goal of stockpiling picks in the 25-55 range

I agree here.. only if we have a new gm. We have seen this movie before and fixing the lines will never be a keim strong suit, imo. Even with a plethora of picks

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Let's start rebuilding now before the trade deadline. For me that would be PP for Jet's Leonard Williams.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not really. Let’s look at the past 20 years.

Fitzgerald
AJ Green
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Julio Jones
Megatron
Antonio Brown
Odel Beckham
Dez Bryant
Marvin Harrison

how many championship do all those hall of famers have combined?

Yup. You don’t need a big time WR to win in the NFL.

That’s faulty logic. There are HOF players at every position that don’t win a championship. Doesn’t mean they didn’t increase their teams ability to do so. The cards don’t come close to reaching a super bowl without Fitz putting them in their back and carrying them.

better argument would be to take all super bowl teams (I’d argue that any team that makes the super bowl is a good indicator because in any given Sunday . . . ) and look to see if they had a dominant wr.

 

[Solar7]

You have to draft for need and we need offensive line help

I don't want to take Adrian Peterson when we already have Edgerrin James. What a waste of our big free agent signing. I think a guy like Levi Brown will address a need and be the smartest pick.


This is how many of you sound to me and how your discussion is framed historically.

I get what you’re saying, but we have to address the issue at some point in our franchise. There will always be shiny new objects and sexy skill position picks, but we simply aren’t getting it done.

It’s like having a severe engine issue but telling the mechanic to slap some Flex Tape on it so we can buy new rims each year.

The problem with Keim is we are continuously trying to draft replacements for guys he drafted just a year prior.

 

[Mainstreet]

what i really want the team to do in this draft:

trade down multiple times with a goal of stockpiling picks in the 25-55 range

Agree. If the right trade downs are there it has to be a strong consideration.

 

[Finito]

That’s faulty logic. There are HOF players at every position that don’t win a championship. Doesn’t mean they didn’t increase their teams ability to do so. The cards don’t come close to reaching a super bowl without Fitz putting them in their back and carrying them.

better argument would be to take all super bowl teams (I’d argue that any team that makes the super bowl is a good indicator because in any given Sunday . . . ) and look to see if they had a dominant wr.

you need good WR but what I’m saying you don’t need that high dollar star. A great QB with time to throw and the threat of a running game will find open guys.

the better question is what if we had drafted Big Ben instead of Fitz in that draft and put him with a lot of those teams.

 

[DVontel]

you need good WR but what I’m saying you don’t need that high dollar star. A great QB with time to throw and the threat of a running game will find open guys.

the better question is what if we had drafted Big Ben instead of Fitz in that draft and put him with a lot of those teams.

Yea, you don’t really need great WRs, but not dudes you just got off the street.

 

[Russ Smith]

I still prefer Jeudy but you can argue Lamb is a great fit because he's so good after the catch which in our offense is a big deal

 

[Chopper0080]

Watch this play. We need a guy like him on our team. Absolutely insane.

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The NFL is not college football. PLays like that happen maybe once per year in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

None of the guys you mentioned (Kirk, McLaurin, Metcalf, etc) are authentic or legit #1's. I don't care how many 2nd round WR picks you take, they will never amount to a legit #1. We need a #1 & it'll take a 1st round pick to get one. It's quite ok to have 3 one thousand yard receivers (Fitz, Boldin, Breaston). Only one of them was a 1st round pick.

McLaurin is (or will be if you prefer).

 

[Chopper0080]

Let's start with evaluating some key positions after free agency is done. OT, WR, OLB, and DE. That is a good place to start. Now lets add the players who are going to help Kyler Murray be most successful.

My biggest pushback against Lamb is that I think you could end up with a better combo going OT then WR vs WR then OT. I am also not out on Derrick Brown and Epenesa as 3-4 DE. Plenty of time.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I get it that we need to address OL & LB area, but it’ll be tough to pass on this kid.

OL & LB can also be fixed in FA so drafting a stud WR can happen in the draft.

 

[Solar7]

Yea, you don’t really need great WRs, but not dudes you just got off the street.

We drafted 4 WRs in the past two years and have a hall of famer at the position. Just because they’re not good enough to beat out street FAs doesn’t mean we haven’t tried.

 

[DVontel]

We drafted 4 WRs in the past two years and have a hall of famer at the position. Just because they’re not good enough to beat out street FAs doesn’t mean we haven’t tried.

I don’t know if you’re agreeing or arguing against me.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Need to build the defense. In the trenches, linebackers and safeties. All set at corner. Byron Murphy may be Keim’s best pick

 

[Solar7]

I don’t know if you’re agreeing or arguing against me.

I guess I thought your argument was that we have inferior talent at WR made out of street FAs. It’s kinda a blend of both.

 

[DVontel]

I’m slowly, but surely starting to think CeeDee will be the pick.

There’s so many bad teams this year to the point where I doubt we’ll be picking top 10. Andrew Thomas, Epenesa, & Wirfs(hell, he might head back to school) will be all off the board most likely.

OL hasn’t been the ultimate disaster I thought it would be where I’m actually fine going OL in round 2 now.

 

[AZCB34]

Yes, the trenches are critical in football at every level. But, you're still underestimating the value of those fancy toys called WR's.

Not under valuing it but if you fix the OL, Kyler, in theory, has more time which will make the current WRs better than they are showing.

Lamb sure looks the part.

 

[PACardsFan]

Not under valuing it but if you fix the OL, Kyler, in theory, has more time which will make the current WRs better than they are showing.

Lamb sure looks the part.

Agree. Yesterday, our RB’s gained 8 yards on 8 carries. Wow! Not sure those numbers improve much this Thursday against the Niners. K1 will no doubt be running for his life most of the night. As bad as the OL is, our front 7 on D may be worse.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree. Yesterday, our RB’s gained 8 yards on 8 carries. Wow! Not sure those numbers improve much this Thursday against the Niners. K1 will no doubt be running for his life most of the night. As bad as the OL is, our front 7 on D may be worse.

Some of that is OL but IMO some of it simply is defenses are not afraid of us going over teh top we have no gamebreaker so they bring the defense up. We had success against the Giants because we spread them out and had holes, against NO they were too fast and we couldn't do that.

I prefer Jeudy to Lamb but we won't pick early enough. Lamb is a great run after catch guy which we could sure use now. He has speed and he and Murray are former teammates which should help.

Didn't we pick a speedy Wr in the 2nd round this year?

 

[Southpaw]

A lot of positions I’m drafting before ILB.

Cal ILB/DE/OLB Evan Weaver can be had in the 3rd round.

 

[Buckybird]

Some of that is OL but IMO some of it simply is defenses are not afraid of us going over teh top we have no gamebreaker so they bring the defense up. We had success against the Giants because we spread them out and had holes, against NO they were too fast and we couldn't do that.

I prefer Jeudy to Lamb but we won't pick early enough. Lamb is a great run after catch guy which we could sure use now. He has speed and he and Murray are former teammates which should help.

Didn't we pick a speedy Wr in the 2nd round this year?

I still say Michael Pittman Jr is just as good & productive. Maybe not quite as twitchy or elusive but he’s big, fast & makes big plays after the catch

 

[Dr. Jones]

This. All day (pun not intended) this.

you don’t pass up talent bc you suck somewhere else. Particularly not when you could use that talent too. All things equal you draft need. But even I say “equal” I mean equal! Say no to Levi brown!!!

you need good WR but what I’m saying you don’t need that high dollar star. A great QB with time to throw and the threat of a running game will find open guys.

the better question is what if we had drafted Big Ben instead of Fitz in that draft and put him with a lot of those teams.

Honestly...... these are the EXACT reasons why Kenyan Drake for a 5th or 6th rounder is worth it. But only if we can re-sign him, which I am guessing that they want to do.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I still say Michael Pittman Jr is just as good & productive. Maybe not quite as twitchy or elusive but he’s big, fast & makes big plays after the catch

Guessing by his age he is not the son who was in the vehicle when his dad (Michael Pittman, former Cards RB) slammed his Hummer into it. Must have been Mycah Pittman (Oregon WR).

 

[juza76]

Cee dee lamb it's a kind of player we need, a faster DeAndre Hopkins


It's good for this franchise still giving Fitz 11mil a year?

When I have watched him rarely separate from the defender, just if there is a blown assignement

I like him a lot, but in this moment should be a third fourth receiver in the depth chart