Dragic will not sign extension with Suns

[Mainstreet]

You cannot have killed Bledsoe over the summer and not kill Dragic now when arguably Bledsoe handled contract negations MORE professionally. The difference is that Dragic is white and Bledsoe is black and this town LOVES a white basketball player.

Race was not a problem with Bledsoe. I don't get bringing it up. It was a non-issue. I'm tired of this type thinking.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think you have to differentiate between criticizing his play and criticizing his behavior last summer.

I agree but I am talking about the criticism of his behavior last summer. It hasn't stopped; read every game thread and you'll see it mentioned or implied frequently.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

It is really funny that Bledsoe was getting slinged non-stop last summer with "Bledsoe only cares about Bledsoe" and that he has no loyalty, ect ect. Now Dragic literally says out loud exactly all the things that people were ripping Bledsoe for supposedly feeling but never saying, and... Dragic is now a martyr?

Give me a break.

Anyone who hated Bledsoe over the summer for supposedly being only about himself should now utterly despise Dragic for confirming that he really does only care about his own stats and positioning.

I do. At least I'm consistent.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I hope the team does the smart thing and uses this opportunity to develop the young players. Trade everyone on the team that is IT's age or older (except Wright) and give Warren, Goodwin and Ennis their minutes. As for IT, keep him if his head is on straight, trade him otherwise.

Steve

Agreed. At this point, if we can get anything of value, I'd even get rid of IT. Something fishy about him...fair or not, he seems to be a bit of a malcontent.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think he's a decent guy but is taking some poor advice. I don't like the way he's handling this but I can see it from his side too, this is his chance to earn the big money. Something that has not come his way in the past. My big problem with him is that he tends to quit. He's done it this season and he did it the year we traded him to Houston.

He showed so much promise in the playoffs the season before and then found out that he was going to be stuck playing second fiddle behind Nash so he just rolled over and played dead. People complain about that trade but Goran was horrible that season backing up Nash and even taking over for Steve when he was out with injury. The moment he goes to Houston he turned it back on again. I think we've seen some of that this season too.

Regardless though, I think we can all say goodbye to even a remote chance at the playoffs. We were easily at our best when Goran was at his best and it's highly unlikely we'll bring a player in return that will help us anywhere near what Dragic did. I hope the team does the smart thing and uses this opportunity to develop the young players. Trade everyone on the team that is IT's age or older (except Wright) and give Warren, Goodwin and Ennis their minutes. As for IT, keep him if his head is on straight, trade him otherwise.

Steve

I wish I could argue the point but I do believe Goran let emotions get in his way.

However, I think Donatas Motiejunas could greatly improve the Suns.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Agreed. At this point, if we can get anything of value, I'd even get rid of IT. Something fishy about him...fair or not, he seems to be a bit of a malcontent.

Never a good sign having worn out your welcome on two teams now at the age of 26.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Charles Barkley, Shawn Marion, bad memories of the departures. I hate prima donnas.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Race was not a problem with Bledsoe. I don't get bringing it up. It was a non-issue. I'm tired of this type thinking.

I don't think it's unreasonable to bring it up though, although it would be more about the adulation of Goran than the dislike of Bledsoe. I really doubt that any of the negative feelings about Eric are race related but I do wonder if Goran isn't accepted more wholeheartedly because of his skin color. Whether that's the case or not, Arizona has had that reputation for a long time, and we can only hope it will eventually die a well deserved death.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

I want them to trade Dragic, Thomas and Tucker. Green maybe.. if we get another young SG in return like Terrence Ross.

Free up minutes for Ennis, Warren and Goodwin to take the backup spots at their positions.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think it's unreasonable to bring it up though, although it would be more about the adulation of Goran than the dislike of Bledsoe. I really doubt that any of the negative feelings about Eric are race related but I do wonder if Goran isn't accepted more wholeheartedly because of his skin color. Whether that's the case or not, Arizona has had that reputation for a long time, and we can only hope it will eventually die a well deserved death.

Steve

Its more about the fact that Bledsoe has been surly and quient and came here by trade. People have view Goran as wanting to be here (FA signing) and talked about signing here quickly as recently as last summer.

If this is really about Zoran not getting minutes, this really stinks. Hopefully we never do a gratuitous signing like that again.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think it's unreasonable to bring it up though, although it would be more about the adulation of Goran than the dislike of Bledsoe. I really doubt that any of the negative feelings about Eric are race related but I do wonder if Goran isn't accepted more wholeheartedly because of his skin color. Whether that's the case or not, Arizona has had that reputation for a long time, and we can only hope it will eventually die a well deserved death.

Steve

I guess I don't buy it because I don't think that way. However, I think Arizona does have this reputation but I don't think it holds true in sports. Everyone loved Charles Barkley when he came to the Suns and Kevin Johnson was put on a pedestal.

 

[sunsfan88]

To everyone who keeps saying that Dragic making these comments is unprofessional, Goran and his camp had already complained to McD throughout the season in private and yet a move was never made so now they went public to see if that will make a difference with the Suns front office:

While that meeting might be perceived as an act of brinksmanship on the part of Dragic, sources told Sporting News that, over the course of the year, Dragic’s camp has registered its complaints with Suns general manager Ryan McDonough on more than one occasion. But the Suns have not acted, and Dragic’s faith in the team has dwindled.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...uns-goran-dragic-isaiah-thomas-ryan-mcdonough

 

[SirStefan32]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.
Dragic was brought here to take over for Nash when he was traded to the Lakers.
Since then, the Suns traded for a PG, signed a FA PG, and drafted a PG. They moved Dragic from being THE PG, to sharing PG duties, to playing exclusively off the ball. From 1 to 2, to 3. He's been moved to the spot-up shooter spot.
Let's remember that he came back to the Suns after they dumped him, and there was no doubt he loved the city, fans, team, etc. Let's also remember he is an All-NBA player.

Bledsoe was (and still is, a NOBODY) as is IT. Of course we are going to look at the two (or three) scenarios differently. I am going to look at my reliable, trusty employee of 5 years differently than on the new kid who hasn't proven anything.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.

Pot meet kettle, cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.

 

[sunsfan88]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.
Dragic was brought here to take over for Nash when he was traded to the Lakers.
Since then, the Suns traded for a PG, signed a FA PG, and drafted a PG. They moved Dragic from being THE PG, to sharing PG duties, to playing exclusively off the ball. From 1 to 2, to 3. He's been moved to the spot-up shooter spot.
Let's remember that he came back to the Suns after they dumped him, and there was no doubt he loved the city, fans, team, etc. Let's also remember he is an All-NBA player.

Bledsoe was (and still is, a NOBODY) as is IT. Of course we are going to look at the two (or three) scenarios differently. I am going to look at my reliable, trusty employee of 5 years differently than on the new kid who hasn't proven anything.

Its amazing to me that some people don't see the obvious. Dragic is a VERY GOOD player.

That's why ESPN, NBA TV, FOX SPORTS, NBC SPORTS, and all other major media outlets is talking about him, that's why so many teams are interested in him, that's why the Suns are finally being talked about in public so much for the first time in a very long time.

 

[mojorizen7]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.
Dragic was brought here to take over for Nash when he was traded to the Lakers.
Since then, the Suns traded for a PG, signed a FA PG, and drafted a PG. They moved Dragic from being THE PG, to sharing PG duties, to playing exclusively off the ball. From 1 to 2, to 3. He's been moved to the spot-up shooter spot.
Let's remember that he came back to the Suns after they dumped him, and there was no doubt he loved the city, fans, team, etc. Let's also remember he is an All-NBA player.

+1

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Its amazing to me that some people don't see the obvious. Dragic is a VERY GOOD player.

Seriously, this kind of comment is borderline trolling. Please find me one person who says Dragic isn't a very good player. That isn't the issue. The issue is how much you want to pay a "very good" player.

I still see not only Dragic backer who can comfortably say they think he's worth the 20 million per year he's speculated to make.

 

[sunsfan88]

Seriously, this kind of comment is borderline trolling. Please find me one person who says Dragic isn't a very good player. That isn't the issue. The issue is how much you want to pay a "very good" player.

I still see not only Dragic backer who can comfortably say they think he's worth the 20 million per year he's speculated to make.

The fact that your entire argument relies on speculation says it all. Lets see if he even gets that much, I doubt it.

 

[Phrazbit]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.
Dragic was brought here to take over for Nash when he was traded to the Lakers.
Since then, the Suns traded for a PG, signed a FA PG, and drafted a PG. They moved Dragic from being THE PG, to sharing PG duties, to playing exclusively off the ball. From 1 to 2, to 3. He's been moved to the spot-up shooter spot.
Let's remember that he came back to the Suns after they dumped him, and there was no doubt he loved the city, fans, team, etc. Let's also remember he is an All-NBA player.

Bledsoe was (and still is, a NOBODY) as is IT. Of course we are going to look at the two (or three) scenarios differently. I am going to look at my reliable, trusty employee of 5 years differently than on the new kid who hasn't proven anything.

So what? Even IF all that was true it does not matter in the slightest. Its a team, its not about what widdle Goran thinks is best for his stat line. The team was garbage when Goran was the solo PG, and even when the team played well last year, Goran struggled when Frye was not in the game, and the team was much much worse without the "nobody" Eric Bledsoe.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's amazing to me just how many people don't see the obvious.
Dragic was brought here to take over for Nash when he was traded to the Lakers.
Since then, the Suns traded for a PG, signed a FA PG, and drafted a PG. They moved Dragic from being THE PG, to sharing PG duties, to playing exclusively off the ball. From 1 to 2, to 3. He's been moved to the spot-up shooter spot.
Let's remember that he came back to the Suns after they dumped him, and there was no doubt he loved the city, fans, team, etc. Let's also remember he is an All-NBA player.

Bledsoe was (and still is, a NOBODY) as is IT. Of course we are going to look at the two (or three) scenarios differently. I am going to look at my reliable, trusty employee of 5 years differently than on the new kid who hasn't proven anything.

It was said somewhere, something to the effect (maybe someone has the quote), McDonough is a young GM and does not understand that trade assets are people too.

 

[devilalum]

It was said somewhere, something to the effect (maybe someone has the quote), McDonough is a young GM and does not understand that trade assets are people too.

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[ASUCHRIS]

The fact that your entire argument relies on speculation says it all. Lets see if he even gets that much, I doubt it.

We'll see. I think it's safe to say he'll make between 16-20 million, and even at 16 million, I'd be pretty hesitant.

Speculation based on available data/opinions trumps your straw men.

 

[SO91]

It was said somewhere, something to the effect (maybe someone has the quote), McDonough is a young GM and does not understand that trade assets are people too.

LOL what? I get that people wanna get all emotional and attached to players, especially iconic players for whichever franchise you cheer for. Goran is not that player. As for the front office, it's a business. I'd be pissed if they offered $20M per, hell I'd be pissed if they offered $15M per.

 

[sunsfan88]

We'll see. I think it's safe to say he'll make between 16-20 million, and even at 16 million, I'd be pretty hesitant.

Speculation based on available data/opinions trumps your straw men.

With the cap rising, a $20M/yr deal then is equivalent to a $14M/yr deal now.

 

[Sci Fi]

Seriously, this kind of comment is borderline trolling. Please find me one person who says Dragic isn't a very good player. That isn't the issue. The issue is how much you want to pay a "very good" player.

I still see not only Dragic backer who can comfortably say they think he's worth the 20 million per year he's speculated to make.

If only is a typo and means one, I already did.

Just because you don't think Dragic isn't worth the money doesn't make you right.

You say Dragic isn't even a top 10 PG and yet he made All NBA last year. Was second team on most of the better NBA analyst lists. He was much, much better than Tony Parker during the regular season. Maybe you're just wrong. Ever think of that?