Drew Brees

[john h]

Drew is a free agent when the season ends so unless San Diego uses their franchise tag on him he won't have to be traded for...but IF Green decides to go after him he will be competing with Green Bay and Miami for his services(just to name 2 teams off the top of my head).

I am getting tired of watching our current QB play it too safe and make very few big plays...but that said I am still hoping he develops in the second half of the season and we can do something else in the offseason(like find a TE, RB, some OLineman who actually earn their salary, another CB and a big--if even part time--run stuffing DT to clog the middle).

Zeno is it the QB who is playing it safe or the coaches calling the play? I think one big area both the QB and receivers are not in sync is recognizing the blitz. Normally the good receivers will recognize a blitz just like a QB and cut their route short and the QB throws rapidly to a spot where he knows the receiver will be. Our guys just do not do this. The other week when Manning was being blitzed over and over and threw 20 straight passes many were these short quick passes. I think he threw 3 TD's during this period. A smart QB and receivers will eat up a blitz in most cases even with a marginal OL. Slow footed Dan Marino got rid of the ball so rapidly it was hard to blitz him. Josh seems very slow on his drop back and to me does not appear to step up into a pocket when it forms. Watch how many times he steps forward. He mostly seems to be stepping backwards and throwing off the wrong foot while going back. Hard to be accurate this way. We got some tough QB's in this league who will stand in there until the last minute still surveying the field and then get rid of it very quick. Being fast does not equate to a quick delivery and more importantly reading the field. Seems like all of our announcers have commented on Josh locking into one receiver who is sometimes tripple covered. I do not know how you cure that. This is in your head.

 

[Shane]

I woulda been happy. I have Brees on most of my fantasy teams.

Doesnt take much to pick a guy up in FA. Way to jump on the bandwagon.

Oh wait you probably thought Brees would be a wonderful QB when he stunk up the joint the last two years

 

[john h]

If you were Brees would you play in the winter weather that comes for half the season in GB.

I don't see him in Miami........he and Boston got along like oil and water. And would you rather play for a team heading into a new stadium with an offensive minded coach that is on the rise or a team that will be struggling behind an O-Line that's worse than ours as in Miami.

If we want him, we have a lot going for us in a recruiting war.

If money is the same I go where I have the best chance of winning and where I think I will be happiest. Having lived in about 15 states from the north to the south and east to west I found that my most fun times depended on who I was working with and for and not on the weather or other fancy things surrounding me. It was always the people.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Doesnt take much to pick a guy up in FA. Way to jump on the bandwagon.

Oh wait you probably thought Brees would be a wonderful QB when he stunk up the joint the last two years

Can people PLEASZE stop saying this - it's just as ******** as the people who were claiming Boston only had one good year - when in reality he had a 1150 8TD season before his humungous year.

Brees was pretty good leading the Chargers to a 7-1 record his first year as a starter and then the entire team went in the tank - as injuries and poor play rose above - but to say Brees has STUNK for the last two years - when in reality he started off VERY WELL in his first stint as a starter and then STUNK his second year is just ingroing the facts in order to prove some kind of point - but the only point I see being proven is that you're memory is short!

 

[john h]

i could be wrong, but i don't think denny wants brees. he's anti to almost every qb denny has ever worked with. denny loves the large dudes with cannons. let's see, warren moon still had a big arm when playing for denny, as did cunningham and george and culpepper. denny has never been a big fan of smaller precision-type qbs.

i'll make the bold statement that even if josh doesn't do ANYTHING to give denny the feeling of security in the offseason brees will not be a qb as long as denny is coach.

i think he ends up in gb. and i don't think the sunny winters have much to do in recruiting when you're talking about competitive players, they want to go somewhere to win and gb has a much better history of that then do we.

Are we to assume that DG is now the General Manager and makes all the decisions as to player personnel? I flat do not know. Do we really think Rod Graves is not going to have some major input if the team only wins 4 or 5 games? I would even think Bidwill might have a talk with Denny if he perceives he is getting out of touch with reality as of there is one thing the Bidwills understand it is money and they want to start off the season in the new stadium and not be embarrased.

 

[john h]

that's not entirely true. if you grow up in it and never live in a warmer clime, you are, by definition, used to it. however, brees has lived in sd now. so it DOES become an acceptance thing for him.

i know, having grown up in az and then going to college and law school in boston and dc, respectively, that you don't get used to it, you just wait until you can move away once you've accomplished your cold weather goals. brees could move to gb to win a superbowl and then retire nicely to a warm weather team.

I spent my first 10 years in North Carolina and my nesxt 12 in Chicago. Did not bother me. After all was said and done I preferred the Jungle (Vietnam) to Iceland or Greenland. These guys for the most part head off to where ever they like in the off season and during season you paly in cold and heat.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are we to assume that DG is now the General Manager and makes all the decisions as to player personnel? I flat do not know. Do we really think Rod Graves is not going to have some major input if the team only wins 4 or 5 games? I would even think Bidwill might have a talk with Denny if he perceives he is getting out of touch with reality as of there is one thing the Bidwills understand it is money and they want to start off the season in the new stadium and not be embarrased.

John - I just don't get this - you keep insisting we ar only gonna win 4 or five games - we started 0-3 - we have been 3-2 since then and we have 5 of our next 8 at home and Boldin hasn't even rounded into shape. I know you're old - but try and have a little more patience - you're not gonna die tomorrow! Patience my good man - patience!

 

[Shane]

John - I just don't get this - you keep insisting we ar only gonna win 4 or five games - we started 0-3 - we have been 3-2 since then and we have 5 of our next 8 at home and Boldin hasn't even rounded into shape. I know you're old - but try and have a little more patience - you're not gonna die tomorrow! Patience my good man - patience!

 

[red desert]

If SD was smart they would trade Rivers.They could get more for him and they don't need him.They could probably get more than a #1 for him beacuse he's been in the league for a year,has a contract in place, and there are no real highly rated QB's in this years draft.The only reason they won't trade him is because the GM won't want to admit his mistake.How Rivers ever got rated that high still baffles me.

I've been thinking about this scenario as well. Sure would make Skkorp happy to get Rivers in here. Que no, Skkorp?

 

[cardswin]

San Diego panicked. QBs take time to develop in the NFL. It takes 2 or 3 or 4 or more years. Most successful QBs take time. The exceptions are the Bens and Dauntes.


Brees has developed and now they are stuck with Rivers. Imagine that team with a number 1 pick on defense or another area of need.

This is why people who are impatient with young QBs don't get it. It leads to panicking and that is why lots of QBs who take their teams to the playoffs are on their second or third team and not the team that drafted them.

PS Only people who on draft day said the Cards should take Ben and only Ben have a right to cite Ben's achievements (he went to a much better team of course) people who said the Cards should pick someone else shouldn't be bringing up Ben now. That is 20/20 hindsight at it's worst.

And anyone bashing Dennis Green still needs to find a new team. If they can't see the improvement they are blinded by something.

 

[cardsunsfan]

San Diego panicked. QBs take time to develop in the NFL. It takes 2 or 3 or 4 or more years. Most successful QBs take time. The exceptions are the Bens and Dauntes.


Brees has developed and now they are stuck with Rivers. Imagine that team with a number 1 pick on defense or another area of need.

This is why people who are impatient with young QBs don't get it. It leads to panicking and that is why lots of QBs who take their teams to the playoffs are on their second or third team and not the team that drafted them.

PS Only people who on draft day said the Cards should take Ben and only Ben have a right to cite Ben's achievements (he went to a much better team of course) people who said the Cards should pick someone else shouldn't be bringing up Ben now. That is 20/20 hindsight at it's worst.



And anyone bashing Dennis Green still needs to find a new team. If they can't see the improvement they are blinded by something.

Vikesfan, is that you?

 

[Russ Smith]

Brees looked worse than McCown for 2+ years. Then he matured. John h and Stout would have cut him.

Denny Green knows QBs. Whatever he chooses is fine by me.

That's because he was thrown in right away on a team with no WR's, he didn't get the luxury of sitting and learning. And he had to look over his shoulder at Doug Flutie. if Josh had Doug Flutie over his shoulder Josh would probably have a nervous breakdown, Flutie is not exactly a "team player" in regards to that sort of thing. Went out of his way to get everyone to think he should be playing, just like he did in Buffalo when he was competing with Josh..... err Rob johnson.

Brees isn't as good as his numbers look now, I suspect he'll come back to earth a bit when the schedule gets a bit harder, but he's better than I thought. Still don't see him as a Green QB, not enough arm strength.

 

[Russ Smith]

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PS Only people who on draft day said the Cards should take Ben and only Ben have a right to cite Ben's achievements (he went to a much better team of course) people who said the Cards should pick someone else shouldn't be bringing up Ben now. That is 20/20 hindsight at it's worst.

And anyone bashing Dennis Green still needs to find a new team. If they can't see the improvement they are blinded by something.

Oh please, SOME of us said for a long time we wanted Ben, but when it became perfectly clear we were NOT taking a QB, you know after Green announced to the world we weren't, some of us focussed on who ELSE we might take.

Give the hindsight stuff a break, I had Ben rated ahead of Manning since the first time I saw Ben on ESPN. And so did Blesto they had him rated the top QB in the draft BEFORE his senior year.

 

[Redsz]

The thing that worries me about Bree's, is that I hope that he isn't having a great year since his contract is up. Then he will sink back into being fairly average once again after he is signed.