Eagles won't rule out trading Kolb

[seesred]

KOlb doesn't have much more expierance than a rookie. Hall has shown that he has the smarts and arm to play at this level. In addition I would love us to devolope a winner where we can watch the guy for 10 years to come. I would have loved to see Lienart these first few games. Kolb has been hurt and already has one too many shots to the head.

Anderson is the guy now and looking back 20-20 we should have gotten McNabb he lives in the valley. But it is what it is. We got who we got!

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[joeshmo]

Yeah, he does. He's been in the league since 2007. Years in the NFL count; they matter.

And actual game experience.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Crazy theory time. Who says he wont be here next year? There has to be a reason why he hasn't signed an extension yet with the Redskins right? Especially with the deep pockets of Snyder who isn't afraid to overpay. Could McNabb be asking for something crazy or not asking for anything at all in order to be a FA this coming offseason because he has a place he wants to go in mind? Doesn't help much this year though.

And what would that do for the Cardinals ?

Another 34 year old QB re-tread ?

Come on. Time to get a guy who can be here for more than 3 years. People are just forgetting, or are blinded to the fact Warner did horribly when he first got to the desert. After 2 year of working with our team, and with our players, did he build the repore that allowed him to go ballistic for 3 years.

Our current QB, whom I have little faith is a long term solution, has had a 1/2 a pre-season, and 2 games.

Let alone a Max Hall, or John Skelton who may end up being the guy. Patience is the key with QB's.

Personally, I am still confused on why we cut Leinart but after 5 years if it ain't going to work you might as well cut him while there is no cap, or cap penalties, I guess.

 

[Mitch]

What's very surreal about the Kolb situation is that the Eagles gave Kolb a two year $12.25M contract this year...with a $10.7M signing bonus and ALL of the contract guaranteed, including his base salaries of $715,000 this year and $1.39M next year.

How can they justify paying Kolb $11M of that contract and trade him?

No one is going to offer a 1st rounder---I think the best offer they get would be a third rounder.

For the Cardinals...that's a price that might be very attractive, especially seeing as all they would have top pay Kolb the next two years is a grand total of $2.1M (basically $1M a year)---and Kolb wouldn't balk because he already has pocketed the $10.7M signing bonus.

It could be a two year see if he fits deal.

The other somewhat surreal aspect of this scenario is that it was the Eagles who selected QB Mike Kafka in the 4th round one pick ahead of the Cardinals who were intending to pick Kafka there, which is why they then went and traded back with New Orleans to pick up an extra pick...one that later helped them to move up in the 5th to take John Skelton.

As many of you know, I was very high on Kafka and I was ripped that the Eagles snatched him right in front of us. Thus, I've been following him and how he's been doing as an Eagle, and let me tell you, Andy Reid and his staff are extremely high on Kafka. So much so...that he's one of the main the reasons why they are entertaining calls on Kolb. They know they have Kafka for the next three years...and they only have Kolb signed for one more.

The two year deal they gave Kolb was curious to begin with. If you trade an icon like Donovan McNabb in favor of starting Kolb...why then do you only offer him a two year deal? That's not quite the kind of commitment you want from a guy you want to be your QBOF.

It wouldn't surprise me if---in light of how low-risk it would be financially to have Kolb for the rest of this year and next, that the Cardinals are one of the teams expressing interest.

Just the same---I truly believe that Whiz and his staff are excited about Max Hall as the right fit in this offense.

I think that the coaches are doing the right thing---for now---by sticking with Anderson in hopes that he starts to move the team well enough to win games---but I think that they have real doubts about that happening and they are preparing for the right time to insert Hall.

I think that even if Anderson does decently as he did at St. Louis---that Hall is still headed into the starter's role, as soon as they feel he's ready.

The question is...will it happen before or after the bye week?

While I think the coaches would prefer after the bye week...my hunch is, we will see it happen before.

If I am correct about this---there have been no calls for any other QB, including Kolb. The hopes are on Hall and developing Skelton and most likely adding a veteran backup next year.

 

[Pariah]

If I am correct about this---there have been no calls for any other QB, including Kolb. The hopes are on Hall and developing Skelton and most likely adding a veteran backup next year.

The Cards might very well be high on Hall and plan on starting him sooner rather than later, but going all in on that and not hedging your bets with a plan B is lunacy.

Even if they're completely enamored with Hall, I'd much rather see them make a play for Kolb and if it works out continue to groom Hall to play two seasons from now.

 

[joeshmo]

Let alone a Max Hall, or John Skelton who may end up being the guy. Patience is the key with QB's.

Patience is the key for rookies. Patience for a guy who has been a starter and been in the league for 4 full seasons, and still not showing signs of progression regardless of familiarity doesn't get to play that card. At that point in a QB's career it is put up or shut up time.

By the way Kurt never had a completion percentage below 64% his first two years here. the only thing Kurt got better at was his red zone efficiency.

 

[Mitch]

I hear you, Pariah.

I think, however, the Cardinals feel that their Plan B is already in place in John Skelton.

Plus, they are going to add a Bulger or someone else to the mix next year...some veteran. But, the likelihood of Anderson sticking is slim...unless he starts to show signficant improvement and makes it difficult for the coaches to turn things over to Hall.

 

[Cardiac]

And what would that do for the Cardinals ?

Another 34 year old QB re-tread ?

I don't agree with the term retread. Maybe I don't understand it's proper use but to me a retread isn't a probowl caliber QB.

Come on. Time to get a guy who can be here for more than 3 years. People are just forgetting, or are blinded to the fact Warner did horribly when he first got to the desert. After 2 year of working with our team, and with our players, did he build the repore that allowed him to go ballistic for 3 years.

McNabb didn't hit the lows that Warner did. McNabb is still playing at a high level while Warner was struggling and needed to rebuild himself.

Our current QB, whom I have little faith is a long term solution, has had a 1/2 a pre-season, and 2 games.

Let alone a Max Hall, or John Skelton who may end up being the guy. Patience is the key with QB's.

Fully agree. There are more than a couple of examples of QB's who started out struggling in the NFL and then became good to great QB's. Steve Young and Rich Gannon come immediately to mind.

Personally, I am still confused on why we cut Leinart but after 5 years if it ain't going to work you might as well cut him while there is no cap, or cap penalties, I guess.

With you on this one.

 

[Bobcat]

Might as well just start playing Max Hall if we were to look at Kolb.

Could not agree more

 

[desertdawg]

Could not agree more

I couldn't agree more and/or type any bigger

 

[Pariah]

Could not agree more

I couldn't disagree more.

Kolb is on his way to being a starter in the NFL. He's earned that distinction IN the NFL.

Hall is all potential. He could get there, but then again, he might not. Kolb is WAY ahead of Hall at the moment as for as readiness and probably will be for at least another year, probably more.

 

[40yearfan]

I couldn't agree more and/or type any bigger

I couldn't agree more and/or type any smaller.

 

[az jam]

I would trade for Kolb. He is 6'3"" 230 lbs has a big arm, is accurate and is very mobile. Kolb is not a rookie. He is a fourth year veteran with over three years of experience in the same offense under Andy Reid.

He won't come cheaply if at all. I would trade away our first round pick for him as we won't get anyone better and more ready in the draft.

 

[desertdawg]

I think Kolb would absolutely do better than Hall if Kolb was here as long as Hall has been. Kolb has been in the league longer, and knows the speed of the NFL game. He isn't too familiar the Cards offense which Hall has picked up quickly. The biggest reason is I have no clue what we would have to do to obtain Kolb. If he was already here (and knew our system), I would definitly put him above Hall.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know how good Kolb will be either but I do think there's a lot of Rob Johnson to his career. I always thought Rob could play in college, wasn't surprised at all when he got to play and put up big numbers, and then watched in horror like everyone else when he became a tackling dummy when he finally was given a starting job.

Kolb had back to back 300 yard games last year. In the first the Eagles lost 48-22 to the Saints, and Kolb had 391 yards passing and 2 TD's, and oh by the way 3 INT's one of them a pick six. The next week he lit up the Chiefs, and he didn't play again the rest of the year.

You can't know what you have in a QB until he plays consistently, not only gives him a chance to grow into the position, it gives the rest of the NFL time to watch film and gameplan for him.

If the asking price is right I think the Cards should be interested, I'd be curious how it would go down remember the Cards were fairly clear they didn't want to lose either Hall or Skelton, if they can trade for Kolb they'd almost have to cut Anderson and play Hall until Kolb knows the offense?

He wasn't very good in the preseason this year either, but he certainly looks like an NFL QB. He just hasn't played that much, before last year he'd thrown 34 passes in 2 seasons, and had 0 TD's and 4 picks, so all the accolades on him are based on those 2 games last year and Andy Reid being so high on him he traded McNabb.

 

[az jam]

He wasn't very good in the preseason this year either, but he certainly looks like an NFL QB. He just hasn't played that much, before last year he'd thrown 34 passes in 2 seasons, and had 0 TD's and 4 picks, so all the accolades on him are based on those 2 games last year and Andy Reid being so high on him he traded McNabb.

The Eagle organization including the players were high enough on him that they preferred him over McNabb and thus traded McNabb. Don't forget that McNabb was the heart and soul of their organization for the past 10 years and still is only 33 years of age.
I would take Kolb in a heartbeat if the Cards could get him but don't think the Eagles will trade him.

 

[PACardsFan]

The Eagle organization including the players were high enough on him that they preferred him over McNabb and thus traded McNabb. Don't forget that McNabb was the heart and soul of their organization for the past 10 years and still is only 33 years of age.
I would take Kolb in a heartbeat if the Cards could get him but don't think the Eagles will trade him.

The Eagle orgainization traded McNabb because in addition to Kolb, they had another QB on the roster named Michael Vick. Now, I would love to have Vick, but I'm not overly enthralled with Kolb. What exactly has he done to differentiate himself that much from Hall. He's also been prepared in a WC offense. Hell, if we wanted a WC QB, we could have kept Leinart. The Cardinals are stuck with what they have. I agree with Mitch, in that we'll eventually see Hall. DA is a train wreck. No amount of top notch coaching can magically make him more accurate or less prone to his boneheaded plays.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Eagle orgainization traded McNabb because in addition to Kolb, they had another QB on the roster named Michael Vick. Now, I would love to have Vick, but I'm not overly enthralled with Kolb. What exactly has he done to differentiate himself that much from Hall. He's also been prepared in a WC offense. Hell, if we wanted a WC QB, we could have kept Leinart. The Cardinals are stuck with what they have. I agree with Mitch, in that we'll eventually see Hall. DA is a train wreck. No amount of top notch coaching can magically make him more accurate or less prone to his boneheaded plays.

I don't see how anybody trusts Vick enough to put him in charge of their franchise? A few months ago he was facing expulsion from the league over that shooting at his birthday party. If the commish had any reason to think Vick lied to him about his involvement there, Vick would be out of the league.

Hopefully he's smart enough not to screw up again but I sure wouldn't put all my eggs in his basket based on his past.

I'm not sold on Kolb yet simply because he's essentially only played 2 full games in the NFL start to finish, but I do think he certainly has the tools to be good. He has a stronger arm than Hall and he's 2-3 inches taller. No idea if he has the other aspects that Hall seems to have.

But I'd rather have 3 young QB's than 2 and DA because in the current situation I think only 2 of the guys on the roster have any chance of being good QB's and that's Hall and Skelton because they're young. I don't believe DA will ever be a guy you can count on, Kolb might be.

 

[PACardsFan]

I don't see how anybody trusts Vick enough to put him in charge of their franchise? A few months ago he was facing expulsion from the league over that shooting at his birthday party. If the commish had any reason to think Vick lied to him about his involvement there, Vick would be out of the league.

Hopefully he's smart enough not to screw up again but I sure wouldn't put all my eggs in his basket based on his past.

I'm not sold on Kolb yet simply because he's essentially only played 2 full games in the NFL start to finish, but I do think he certainly has the tools to be good. He has a stronger arm than Hall and he's 2-3 inches taller. No idea if he has the other aspects that Hall seems to have.

But I'd rather have 3 young QB's than 2 and DA because in the current situation I think only 2 of the guys on the roster have any chance of being good QB's and that's Hall and Skelton because they're young. I don't believe DA will ever be a guy you can count on, Kolb might be.

Sorry, but a stronger arm tends to lead to an innacurate arm. There have been those few exceptions (those guys are in the HOF), but you don't have to have a cannon to be a great QB in the NFL. Give me a guy with quick feet & a quick release. Of course, I'd love to have a Dan Marino type, who had everything, but now we're getting greedy. There have been many great QB's with average arms, but great accuracy: Warner, Simms, Danny White, Staubach, Jaworski (had a nice arm early, but injuries left him with an average arm most of his career), Starr, Tarkenton, McMahon, Kilmer, Theismann, Brad Johnson, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Joe Ferguson, Bob Griese, Kosar, Esiason, Shaub, Gannon, Lenny Dawson, Stabler, & I know I'm missing more. Hell, even Brees doesn't have a gun. He's maybe the most accurate passer in NFL history though.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sorry, but a stronger arm tends to lead to an innacurate arm. There have been those few exceptions (those guys are in the HOF), but you don't have to have a cannon to be a great QB in the NFL. Give me a guy with quick feet & a quick release. Of course, I'd love to have a Dan Marino type, who had everything, but now we're getting greedy. There have been many great QB's with average arms, but great accuracy: Warner, Simms, Danny White, Staubach, Jaworski (had a nice arm early, but injuries left him with an average arm most of his career), Starr, Tarkenton, McMahon, Kilmer, Theismann, Brad Johnson, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Joe Ferguson, Bob Griese, Kosar, Esiason, Shaub, Gannon, Lenny Dawson, Stabler, & I know I'm missing more. Hell, even Brees doesn't have a gun. He's maybe the most accurate passer in NFL history though.

Kolb doesn't have a gun for an arm, it's stronger than Hall's, probably not as strong as Skelton's.

My point is if you don't know for sure who your QBOF is, I'd rather have Kolb, Hall and Skelton and develop all 3, than DA, Hall and Skelton because IMHO we KNOW DA isn't the guy. Kolb is one more guy with the potential to be good, having 3 of them instead of 2 increases the odds that you find one good QB.

I honestly don't think Philly will trade him, I think Andy Reid will have a nightmare that Vick got arrested and come to his senses and realize if they trade Kolb he's trusting his team to a guy who is a real risk.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't know about you guys but Kolb is horrible!!!

I never thought he was much more than a system QB coming out of college. (Of course with guys like that, you never know if you're getting the second coming of Jeff Garcia or the whether you're getting the next Pete Liske).

Kolb looks more like Liske to me.

Why is it practically guaranteed that - when anyone (good or bad) is shows up on the trade or FA market - there's knee-jerk fan sentiment to pick him up or trade for him?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I never thought he was much more than a system QB coming out of college. (Of course with guys like that, you never know if you're getting the second coming of Jeff Garcia or the whether you're getting the next Pete Liske).

Kolb looks more like Liske to me.

Why is it practically guaranteed that - when anyone (good or bad) is shows up on the trade or FA market - there's knee-jerk fan sentiment to pick him up or trade for him?

Because anyone, ANYONE on the FA market would be better than DA right now?????

 

[Pariah]

Why is it practically guaranteed that - when anyone (good or bad) is shows up on the trade or FA market - there's knee-jerk fan sentiment to pick him up or trade for him?

Because there are hundreds of people on the site that represent 100 different opinions on players. It may seem like everyone is clamoring for each player that comes available, but it's actually different people -- and there are always different people taking the opposing view.

 

[az jam]

Because there are hundreds of people on the site that represent 100 different opinions on players. It may seem like everyone is clamoring for each player that comes available, but it's actually different people -- and there are always different people taking the opposing view.

Some (me included) overreact to the Cards losing especially getting blown out like they did. Fans are very impatient and want to see results quickly or changes made.

The QB position is by far the most important one on the field. Whiz will stick with DA and try to improve him along with the supporting cast around him. I don't really see the Cards going out and getting another qb during the season. IF DA continues to play poorly eventually Hall will start. Trades or free agents signings for a QB won't take place until the off season.

Additionally, the Eagles won't move Kolb at this point. He is the backup to Vick which could change again.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Because anyone, ANYONE on the FA market would be better than DA right now?????

Ding, ding, ding, ding...