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Every thing I've heard or read about it said he can spin it downfield.
 

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I haven't watched a lot of Kolb, not that there's a lot to watch, but "arm strength" and "deep ball" are two different things.

I don't really know what kind of arm he's got but I did happen to notice that there was a difference between his deep passes and McNabb's and Vick's. As I said, there's not a lot to go on and I wasn't even specifically looking at his deep passes but the one's that caught my attention had the receiver waiting for the ball and making a play once it got there.

I think the Minnesota suggestion is a sound one. Not saying the Cardinals would be a bad choice but the Vikings do seem to have a similar situation to what Edwards had in NY.

Not sure about Kolb's eye level. After only 7 games I think it's too early to really analyze such a thing. Sure, he's looked shaky in the pocket at times but this guy just hasn't played enough to really know what he's going to be IMO.

Which sort of leads back to Whis' presser where he said that he watched the tape and Andy Reid told him Kolb was good. Kind of cringe-worthy for a head coach to say with so little "tape". Not to mention taking Reid's word for anything in that particular situation.
 

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I haven't watched a lot of Kolb, not that there's a lot to watch, but "arm strength" and "deep ball" are two different

Which sort of leads back to Whis' presser where he said that he watched the tape and Andy Reid told him Kolb was good. Kind of cringe-worthy for a head coach to say with so little "tape". Not to mention taking Reid's word for anything in that particular situation.


That eye level comment is no question an award winner ....I don't know what kind of award but it's an award for something!!!
 

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Vikings signed Michael Jenkins. Cross them off of Braylon list. w00t!
 

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Brayon is freak in the to mold. Lol @ him just being a speed guy.
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He's shopping until Wed likely as he can't really practice until Aug 4 no matter where he goes. He likely has a short deal he likes here but is going for the brass ring, which from the sounds of thing is getting more and more difficult (market is getting smaller by the hour it seems)
 

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DeSean Jackson would have to disagree. So would Maclin.

Two catch-and-run guys? I'm not sure why that would be the case? Kolb has the arm to complete the deep out, but he's not a deep ball passer on the magnitude of someone like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, or McNabb--or even Derek Anderson. Kolb has an NFL arm, but he's not a deep ball passer that can highlight Braylon Edwards's skill set.

As I said, what Braylon is good at is body control and leaping ability. He's a young Plaxico Burress. That's what he was asked to do in New York, and what he was asked to do in Cleveland before that. Fitz has more run-after-catch ability, but not a ton more.

As for eye level, his 6.3 YPA last year speaks for itself, doesn't it? Doesn't mean that he can't get the ball to a deeper level; it just means that he's not trying to very much.

I'll draw my conclusions on Kevin Kolb once I see him play in the Cardinals offense.
 

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Braylon isn't a classic burner but your red zone efficiency would go through the roof pairing Fitz and Heap. This team is and never has been in such a position where they should refuse a talent like Braylon Edwards especially on a short deal.

Roberts is going to be our speed guy, Braylon would hypothetically fill Early Doucet's role but with more talent and not getting hurt every time he got tackled. We run 3 and 4 WR sets so much that there is plenty of room for him.
 
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Two catch-and-run guys? I'm not sure why that would be the case? Kolb has the arm to complete the deep out, but he's not a deep ball passer on the magnitude of someone like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, or McNabb--or even Derek Anderson. Kolb has an NFL arm, but he's not a deep ball passer that can highlight Braylon Edwards's skill set.

As I said, what Braylon is good at is body control and leaping ability. He's a young Plaxico Burress. That's what he was asked to do in New York, and what he was asked to do in Cleveland before that. Fitz has more run-after-catch ability, but not a ton more.

As for eye level, his 6.3 YPA last year speaks for itself, doesn't it? Doesn't mean that he can't get the ball to a deeper level; it just means that he's not trying to very much.

I'll draw my conclusions on Kevin Kolb once I see him play in the Cardinals offense.


Definitely have to wait to see what we got but I'm a bit more positive on Kolb.

If you look at last year he really only had consistent PT for 4 games in a row, a stretch where he came off the bench in a loss to Wash and then started the next 3. in those 4 games 92-143 1011 yards 6 TD 4 INT's. That's 64.3% comp and 7.06 YPA, not HOF of course but not bad at all against Was, SF, ATL, and Ten.

In the loss to Was the score was 14-3 Was when Kolb came in, and 9-3 Philly the rest of the way so hard to blame him for the loss.

His stats look a lot worse because he didn't play again after Ten until 10 weeks later in the season finale loss to Dallas. I mean not at all save one very short mopup where he essentially took a knee.

We need to see him play, he averaged 7.7 YPA the season before.

I think the main thing is he's MUCH more accurate than DA was, much more polished than Skelton and much more talented than Hall was so I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't make us a better football team.
 

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Definitely have to wait to see what we got but I'm a bit more positive on Kolb.

If you look at last year he really only had consistent PT for 4 games in a row, a stretch where he came off the bench in a loss to Wash and then started the next 3. in those 4 games 92-143 1011 yards 6 TD 4 INT's. That's 64.3% comp and 7.06 YPA, not HOF of course but not bad at all against Was, SF, ATL, and Ten.

In the loss to Was the score was 14-3 Was when Kolb came in, and 9-3 Philly the rest of the way so hard to blame him for the loss.

His stats look a lot worse because he didn't play again after Ten until 10 weeks later in the season finale loss to Dallas. I mean not at all save one very short mopup where he essentially took a knee.

We need to see him play, he averaged 7.7 YPA the season before.

I think the main thing is he's MUCH more accurate than DA was, much more polished than Skelton and much more talented than Hall was so I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't make us a better football team.

There's no question for me that Kolb is better than the clowns we had last season. I love the contract that we signed him to because he'll either be a big bargain in three years or he'll be on the street. I still hate the trade and nothing short of Top 12 in most statistical categories in 2011 is going to change my mind.

But there's no reason that he shouldn't be at least below-average in this offense if he can stay healthy this year. My argument isn't about Kolb as much as it is about where the best place for Braylon Edwards to play a one-year deal would be. I think he'd be better off going to San Diego, Oakland (maybe), New England (maybe), Miami, Tampa Bay (maybe)... and Minnesota. Team him with Bernard Berrian and have play action with Adrian Peterson and he's not going to have to run more than fly and flag routes all day long.

Of course, the defenses he faced were Washington (31st in the NFL), San Francisco (13th), Atlanta (16th), and Tennessee (26th). Not exactly a murderers' row.

As for the second stretch: you've been in the offense four years, Kev. Figure it out.
 

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Definitely have to wait to see what we got

I think the main thing is he's MUCH more accurate than DA was, much more polished than Skelton and much more talented than Hall was so I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't make us a better football team.

Points well taken Russ, but the most important thing is I believe he is only 45-55% of what his top is going to be!! I kinow he has the skill set you mentioned but given a decent supporting cast that is obviously taking place the ceiling is very high
 

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There's no question for me that Kolb is better than the clowns we had last season. I love the contract that we signed him to because he'll either be a big bargain in three years or he'll be on the street. I still hate the trade and nothing short of Top 12 in most statistical categories in 2011 is going to change my mind.

But there's no reason that he shouldn't be at least below-average in this offense if he can stay healthy this year. My argument isn't about Kolb as much as it is about where the best place for Braylon Edwards to play a one-year deal would be. I think he'd be better off going to San Diego, Oakland (maybe), New England (maybe), Miami, Tampa Bay (maybe)... and Minnesota. Team him with Bernard Berrian and have play action with Adrian Peterson and he's not going to have to run more than fly and flag routes all day long.

Of course, the defenses he faced were Washington (31st in the NFL), San Francisco (13th), Atlanta (16th), and Tennessee (26th). Not exactly a murderers' row.

As for the second stretch: you've been in the offense four years, Kev. Figure it out.

No not great defenses i was just listing the teams he played against it.

I don't know what you mean by the last sentence, I wasn't saying he didn't know the offense I was saying not doing anything for 10 weeks tends to limit your ability to be sharp, even if he did presumably get the bulk of the snaps the last week since Philly knew they were going to start him that last game.

I think most young QB's who sit 10 weeks in a row probably won't be sharp the first game they play.
 

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According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, free agent Braylon Edwards may have to settle for a "one-year, prove-it deal" on the open market.

We've noted previously that no teams are considering locking up Edwards long term, and this is more evidence. One Monday report from a Phoenix radio station claimed Edwards "lowered" his demands to $25 million over five seasons -- the Steve Breaston range -- but Braylon won't even get that. No team is going to risk dumping guaranteed money into a player they consider a "diva" with off-field issues and questions about his passion for the game.

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Two catch-and-run guys?
Jackson consistently gets behind defenses and, IIRC, caught more than one deep bomb from Kolb. Granted, I could be wrong because I didn't look it up--I'm just relying on my swiss-cheese memories.
 

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Terry McCormick of Titan Insider cautions not to buy speculation of free agent Braylon Edwards landing in Nashville.

The Washington Post recently cited the Titans as one of four teams "rumored" to be interested in Edwards, and that gossip picked up steam on the internet Monday. We've seen nothing solid on Edwards-to-Tennessee. The Titans already have a more talented headache at wide receiver in Kenny Britt.

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