Elizabeth Merrill ESPN.COM Max Hall story

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PHOENIX -- They don't know him. A woman called Sister Bee is working Tuesday afternoon in the Des Moines, Iowa-based office of the Latter-Day Saints Mission, and will confirm just one thing about Max Hall: No one on staff remembers him. It was years ago, and the faces are constantly changing. He knocked on doors, spread the word of Jesus in a crisp white dress shirt and tie, and had a few of those doors slammed on him. He was 19 years old and full of youthful ambition, boundless energy and love. Who would've guessed that this kid, so unsure of what lay ahead at the next door, would someday have 120,000 lungs screaming for him? Or that he'd leave so many people guessing?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=5708548

Seriously who is this guys PR agent? I have never seen this kind of national love this quickly with someone undrafted....
 

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Good stuff! :thumbup:
 

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Hall is in the limelight right now due in part because of the win against the Saints. Factor in the success of the Cards the last few years and there ya go.

I think he does deserve some attention being that he is starting for the Western conference champs who are in first place. I see it as a get to know expose' more than anything. Good for him

What I don't agree with is that Whiz had this calculated move to bring in Hall. Whiz's move was more about desperation than anything else. Basically had no choice but to bring in an unproven player to lead this team since his original choice was an epic failure.
 

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Hall is in the limelight right now due in part because of the win against the Saints. Factor in the success of the Cards the last few years and there ya go.

I think he does deserve some attention being that he is starting for the Western conference champs who are in first place. I see it as a get to know expose' more than anything. Good for him

What I don't agree with is that Whiz had this calculated move to bring in Hall. Whiz's move was more about desperation than anything else. Basically had no choice but to bring in an unproven player to lead this team since his original choice was an epic failure.

I agree with you 100% about Whiz bringing Max in because of his failure with DA. This was not choice, it was,----not having any other choice.
 

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Everyone loves a Rocky story!! Not just take us to the superbowl and there will be a movie about Max before next season!!
 

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I like Max too, but He aint no russell Crow or General Maximus.
ESPN would love to set him up to knock him down! He's a Cardinal, look at whappened to Matt! Monday Night Countdown and Cris Carter wiped Matt up after Matty said He didn't care what Cris Said!

Care what Cris says Mr Hall, or you'll be tattern and torn to pieces next week1
 

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This is a great article because it truly captures Max Hall's irrepressible persona.

Max Hall has always been on a mission (pun very much intended) and while we can debate whether it was a "calculated" move on Whiz's part to get this kid ready sooner, rather than later (Whiz denies Max Hall's emergence in TC had anything to do with ML's release---which, imo, is a classic Whiz "white lie"---because, on the one hand, ML might have been on the way out anyway, but, on the other hand, it is very significant that after releasing ML, Whiz did not bring in another QB as he was fine with Max Hall as his #2---and Whiz was not going to cut a 5th round pick in John Skelton---so, in essence, the fact that Max Hall had done so well in TC enabled Whiz to release ML knowing that if DA were to struggle, he could turn to Hall for a spark)...

But...back to Max Hall being on a mission...it is Max Hall who is the "calculated" one.

First of all, let's be real, Hall didn't transfer from ASU because of its reputation as a party school. He's the grandson of ASU legend Whizzer White and would have relished the chance to further the family legacy at ASU. He transferred to BYU because he smelled out the QB situation at ASU and at BYU and believed he had a better shot of starting there...and he went there with the full intention of becoming the starter and was fully prepared to do so when he arrived. You have to love the anecdote about Hall's antics in the first scrimmage. From the get-go, he was going to make an immediate mark, no matter what it was going to take.

Same thing with the Cardinals. Max Hall didn't sign with the Cardinals because he's a hometown boy. Sure, that was a nice bonus. He signed with the Cardinals because he assessed the QB situation for every team in the NFL and he realized that his BEST chance of not only making the team, but becoming the starter, perhaps even as soon as this year, was with the Cardinals.

He saw that Matt Leinart's contract situation and dubious status as the starter...he saw that the best the Cardinals could do to challenge ML was to sign DA...and he was not even fazed in the least by the drafting of John Skelton, because he knew that his age and experience would propel him right past Skelton from the get-go. The question was how quickly he could challenge ML and DA.

Max Hall came to TC totally ready and on a mission. He knew his playbook. He knew what his chances would be. And just as a first scrimmage made a big difference for Hall at BYU, it was the same this summer at Flagstaff, where Hall, after a mere week of practice (where he had already created a buzz from the coaches and reporters such as Mortensen and King), Hall moved the ball and passed for a TD, whereas ML and John Skelton did not.

This is one of the reasons why Whiz said that Hall was the best QB in camp. Max Hall shows up. And he shows up prepared and loaded for bear.
 
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This is a great article because it truly captures Max Hall's irrepressible persona.

Max Hall has always been on a mission (pun very much intended) and while we can debate whether it was a "calculated" move on Whiz's part to get this kid ready sooner, rather than later (Whiz denies Max Hall's emergence in TC had anything to do with ML's release---which, imo, is a classic Whiz "white lie"---because, on the one hand, ML might have been on the way out anyway, but, on the other hand, it is very significant that after releasing ML, Whiz did not bring in another QB as he was fine with Max Hall as his #2---and Whiz was not going to cut a 5th round pick in John Skelton---so, in essence, the fact that Max Hall had done so well in TC enabled Whiz to release ML knowing that if DA were to struggle, he could turn to Hall for a spark)...

But...back to Max Hall being on a mission...it is Max Hall who is the "calculated" one.

First of all, let's be real, Hall didn't transfer from ASU because of its reputation as a party school. He's the grandson of ASU legend Whizzer White and would have relished the chance to further the family legacy at ASU. He transferred to BYU because he smelled out the QB situation at ASU and at BYU and believed he had a better shot of starting there...and he went there with the full intention of becoming the starter and was fully prepared to do so when he arrived. You have to love the anecdote about Hall's antics in the first scrimmage. From the get-go, he was going to make an immediate mark, no matter what it was going to take.

Same thing with the Cardinals. Max Hall didn't sign with the Cardinals because he's a hometown boy. Sure, that was a nice bonus. He signed with the Cardinals because he assessed the QB situation for every team in the NFL and he realized that his BEST chance of not only making the team, but becoming the starter, perhaps even as soon as this year, was with the Cardinals.

He saw that Matt Leinart's contract situation and dubious status as the starter...he saw that the best the Cardinals could do to challenge ML was to sign DA...and he was not even fazed in the least by the drafting of John Skelton, because he knew that his age and experience would propel him right past Skelton from the get-go. The question was how quickly he could challenge ML and DA.

Max Hall came to TC totally ready and on a mission. He knew his playbook. He knew what his chances would be. And just as a first scrimmage made a big difference for Hall at BYU, it was the same this summer at Flagstaff, where Hall, after a mere week of practice (where he had already created a buzz from the coaches and reporters such as Mortensen and King), Hall moved the ball and passed for a TD, whereas ML and John Skelton did not.

This is one of the reasons why Whiz said that Hall was the best QB in camp. Max Hall shows up. And he shows up prepared and loaded for bear.

Couldn't agree more:thumbup:
 

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Part of the hype may be due to BYU going independent in football...ala Notre Dame. They want all the publicity they can get
 

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That really does seem to be what the "it" is that Hall apparently has. teammates just seem to like the kid, they have faith in him.

K9 is right, if Fitz goes weeks without a TD pass he's going to be annoyed, not that he can't donate money without td catches, but I think it was obvious Hall if anything was looking too much at Fitz. and with Breaston and Doucet back it'll be harder to double Fitz.

I don't know if Hall will make it or not but nobody is going to be questioning his commitment like they did with Matt, nobody is going to be questioning his confidence like they did with DA, and if he fails it won't be because he's unprepared for the NFL(like would be the case with Skelton right now).
 

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I don't know if Hall will make it or not but nobody is going to be questioning his commitment like they did with Matt, nobody is going to be questioning his confidence like they did with DA, and if he fails it won't be because he's unprepared for the NFL(like would be the case with Skelton right now).

No they will be questioning whether he has the talent to even be in the NFL and when he proves them wrong they will question the evaluations of all NFL teams that let this kid go undrafted after a super college career at a top program. I am not sold on him as anything but a stop gap but he can change that with actually playing well rather than just getting hyped on how "tough" he is and a chemistry lesson. I think they are quite long odds and if he fails it will be because he was not good enough. But if he is good enough and we have another Warner story....WOW things will never be the same again for this team. I wanted a gut check on the road against ATL and we got DA scuds. Now lets see if Max can deliver the miracle.
 

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"By all appearances, he was as wholesome as a box collection of Pat Boone CDs."

Nice! The author must have missed the "Max Hall hates Utah" video. Max is definitely a scrapper and a fiery competitor. I hope Max succeeds, it is the best scenario for the Cards. This Sunday should be a big test, I just hope Max can rally the team and we don't get blown out in the first quarter.

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No they will be questioning whether he has the talent to even be in the NFL and when he proves them wrong they will question the evaluations of all NFL teams that let this kid go undrafted after a super college career at a top program. I am not sold on him as anything but a stop gap but he can change that with actually playing well rather than just getting hyped on how "tough" he is and a chemistry lesson. I think they are quite long odds and if he fails it will be because he was not good enough. But if he is good enough and we have another Warner story....WOW things will never be the same again for this team. I wanted a gut check on the road against ATL and we got DA scuds. Now lets see if Max can deliver the miracle.

Yep, 100% agree, if he fails it will be not good enough. But for me that's enough, I'd much rather a kid fails because he's just not good enough than because he didn't work hard enough or had some other issue that held him back.

I know people think you can teach all that, you can't teach talent, and there's some truth in that too, but in the end guys like DA get coaches fired, and I think a kid like Max deserves a shot to show what he showed in camp and preseason either is or isn't real.
 

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This is a great article because it truly captures Max Hall's irrepressible persona.

Max Hall has always been on a mission (pun very much intended) and while we can debate whether it was a "calculated" move on Whiz's part to get this kid ready sooner, rather than later (Whiz denies Max Hall's emergence in TC had anything to do with ML's release---which, imo, is a classic Whiz "white lie"---because, on the one hand, ML might have been on the way out anyway, but, on the other hand, it is very significant that after releasing ML, Whiz did not bring in another QB as he was fine with Max Hall as his #2---and Whiz was not going to cut a 5th round pick in John Skelton---so, in essence, the fact that Max Hall had done so well in TC enabled Whiz to release ML knowing that if DA were to struggle, he could turn to Hall for a spark)...

But...back to Max Hall being on a mission...it is Max Hall who is the "calculated" one.

First of all, let's be real, Hall didn't transfer from ASU because of its reputation as a party school. He's the grandson of ASU legend Whizzer White and would have relished the chance to further the family legacy at ASU. He transferred to BYU because he smelled out the QB situation at ASU and at BYU and believed he had a better shot of starting there...and he went there with the full intention of becoming the starter and was fully prepared to do so when he arrived. You have to love the anecdote about Hall's antics in the first scrimmage. From the get-go, he was going to make an immediate mark, no matter what it was going to take.

Same thing with the Cardinals. Max Hall didn't sign with the Cardinals because he's a hometown boy. Sure, that was a nice bonus. He signed with the Cardinals because he assessed the QB situation for every team in the NFL and he realized that his BEST chance of not only making the team, but becoming the starter, perhaps even as soon as this year, was with the Cardinals.

He saw that Matt Leinart's contract situation and dubious status as the starter...he saw that the best the Cardinals could do to challenge ML was to sign DA...and he was not even fazed in the least by the drafting of John Skelton, because he knew that his age and experience would propel him right past Skelton from the get-go. The question was how quickly he could challenge ML and DA.

Max Hall came to TC totally ready and on a mission. He knew his playbook. He knew what his chances would be. And just as a first scrimmage made a big difference for Hall at BYU, it was the same this summer at Flagstaff, where Hall, after a mere week of practice (where he had already created a buzz from the coaches and reporters such as Mortensen and King), Hall moved the ball and passed for a TD, whereas ML and John Skelton did not.

This is one of the reasons why Whiz said that Hall was the best QB in camp. Max Hall shows up. And he shows up prepared and loaded for bear.

Totally thought the same thing. I also think his uncharacteristic expletives in the huddle of his first NFL game action was very intentional to fire his guys up.
 

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I also think his uncharacteristic expletives in the huddle of his first NFL game action was very intentional to fire his guys up.

Intentional? I'm sure he was fired up and spoke his mind, I don't believe it was scripted. Sounds like he cussed up a storm which is definitely out of the mormom norm. This reminds me of the mormom employees I worked with while living in Utah for five years, none of them swore so I got to hear these gems:

"What the freak?"
"What the frick?"
"Freaking A."
"Shizz!" I'm tired of this shizz.
"Judas Priest!"
"Cheese and Rice!" (Versus "Jesus Christ!")
"What the flub?"
"Dang."
And my favorite, "Oh my heck!"
 

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Does anyone know if Hall was a Cardinals fan growing up in Mesa? Or was he a Cowboys fan, being Danny White's nephew and all...
 

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Intentional? I'm sure he was fired up and spoke his mind, I don't believe it was scripted. Sounds like he cussed up a storm which is definitely out of the mormom norm. This reminds me of the mormom employees I worked with while living in Utah for five years, none of them swore so I got to hear these gems:

"What the freak?"
"What the frick?"
"Freaking A."
"Shizz!" I'm tired of this shizz.
"Judas Priest!"
"Cheese and Rice!" (Versus "Jesus Christ!")
"What the flub?"
"Dang."
And my favorite, "Oh my heck!"


how do you get a mormon to stop spitting and cussing on a fishing trip? invite another mormon.
 

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I agree with you 100% about Whiz bringing Max in because of his failure with DA. This was not choice, it was,----not having any other choice.
I agree and don't agree.

You can draw a comparison between Wiz's decision and what you hear military people say about going into battle with a plan but being ready to adjust on the fly (because things seldom turn out 100% the way you think they will).

I'd have to agree that the moves to go with Leinart and then DA turned out horribly. But I wouldn't characterize those moves as "failures" - because (to split a semantic hair) the word "failure" carries with it a finality - an unsurmountable brick wall or hole too deep to dig your way out of, and I'm not ready to accept that.

And I wouldn't characterize Wiz's decision to be either (a) made out of "desperation" or (b) "having no other choice."

I think Wiz is just being Wiz - i.e. Leinart wasn't cutting it so he went to Plan B. DA didn't cut it so he went to Plan C. (And if Max were to get injured or doesn't pan out, I have no doubt that there will be a Plan D of some kind).

But Wiz didn't have to cut Leinart. He didn't have to bench Anderson. And he could have picked up a retread in free agency (& still could if he has to).

His MO appears to be "playing it as it lays" and making the best of the options he's got. We'll just have to wait and see how it works out. (My gut says it will, but who knows)?
 
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