Emergency TANK!

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ery-reform-guidelines-resting-healthy-players


So the NBA did it. They passed the new rules that favor big market teams. They made it harder for smaller struggling teams to get better. The fix is in and it's more obvious than ever!! The rules don't affect this season.

Well, I don't know about you guys but it's obvious to me this is our last chance to cash in on the current system. We need a big and this next draft is loaded with them. We need to go all out...trade Bledsoe first and foremost. Cash in on him and increase our tank. Trade Chandler too. Luckily for us with player movements the Western Conference got infinitely tougher so our tank will have a strong tailwind to help us along. Then we will have Len getting more minutes so that fumble fingered fouling magnet will aid in the effort (or lack thereof).

I'm calling for a DAY ONE tank. All tank commanders need to be on high alert. Be absolutely ruthless...take no prisoners!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Haha I knew you couldnt resist!

 

[pokerface]

Haha I knew you couldnt resist!

Sorry dawg!

Your thread can still be the official thread.

 

[devilalum]

Yeah, in a couple if years we'll have 4 Globetrotters and 20 somethin Washington Generals.

Their market analysis must see this as the max money model.


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[pokerface]

Yeah, in a couple if years we'll have 4 Globetrotters and 20 somethin Washington Generals.

Their market analysis must see this as the max money model

They are so concerned about public perception that they are throwing smaller market teams under the bus. Why do they care a small number of teams tank? How has that hurt their business? Teams will still tank!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Its not happening, at least not intentionally

 

[Phrazbit]

They are so concerned about public perception that they are throwing smaller market teams under the bus. Why do they care a small number of teams tank? How has that hurt their business? Teams will still tank!

Market size has nothing to do with it. Big markets tank plenty, and if anything it is easier for them to because they don't run as big a risk of killing their fan base.

Furthermore, Phoenix is not a small market.

 

[pokerface]

Market size has nothing to do with it. Big markets tank plenty, and if anything it is easier for them to because they don't run as big a risk of killing their fan base.

Furthermore, Phoenix is not a small market.

Market size has everything to do with it because bigger market rich teams aren't afraid to go over the cap and buy players. Smaller market teams rely more heavily on the draft.

Phoenix isn't a big market or a small market team BUT we have a owner who strictly adheres to the cap. So therefore he has a small market mindset. When is the last time he went over the cap to get a player? Never. When is the last big name free agent we got? Nash. Where do we get the vast majority of our talent? The draft.

 

[Phrazbit]

Market size has everything to do with it because bigger market rich teams aren't afraid to go over the cap and buy players. Smaller market teams rely more heavily on the draft.

Phoenix isn't a big market or a small market team BUT we have a owner who strictly adheres to the cap. So therefore he has a small market mindset. When is the last time he went over the cap to get a player? Never. When is the last big name free agent we got? Nash. Where do we get the vast majority of our talent? The draft.

You totally whiffed the point... teams tank from all over the "market size" spectrum. And every decent team gets the vast majority of their talent from the draft. And if you bother to track the rare occasions that a big time star moves via free agency, you'll discover that, again, market size is almost never the impetus for the move. In fact, the only one I can recall in the last 20 years who moved via free agency entirely because of the market was Shaq.

And... on-top of all that, any rule that allows teams to hold onto their talent (instead of ditching it in an effort to tank) will likely be a HUGE boon to smaller markets and frugal teams.

 

[pokerface]

You totally whiffed the point... teams tank from all over the "market size" spectrum. And every decent team gets the vast majority of their talent from the draft. And if you bother to track the rare occasions that a big time star moves via free agency, you'll discover that, again, market size is almost never the impetus for the move. In fact, the only one I can recall in the last 20 years who moved via free agency entirely because of the market was Shaq.

And... on-top of all that, any rule that allows teams to hold onto their talent (instead of ditching it in an effort to tank) will likely be a HUGE boon to smaller markets and frugal teams.

Nothing is an all encompassing rule. Plus the question isn't "Do big market teams tank?"...the question is "Are richer teams more likely to go over the salary cap then lessor money teams?". There exceptions to everything. Look at the Knicks...big market team that for years went over the cap. They did it because they could afford the money... despite not being successful. It's not just big city we're talking either... Billionaire owners are more likely to go over the cap. Do you think Sarver will ever go over the salary cap?? ...enough said.

You should read the net..it's in articles that this is a concern that small markets (money) could be affected. Everything isn't equal especially since there isn't a hard salary cap.

Yeah rich teams can tank. But rich teams cant steal players if another team drafts ahead of them. The draft isn't free agency...it's the draft. If a team can't afford the free agent route they can always tank and still get a potential superstar. Thats what makes the draft a somewhat equalizer or counter balance against rich teams gobbling most the talent.

 

[pokerface]

The emergency has been lifted.


ALL CLEAR!

 

[devilalum]

The emergency has been lifted.


ALL CLEAR!

Agreed

Now the Suns can just focus on giving their best effort for the remaining games.


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[StreetTruckinTitan]

Agreed

Now the Suns can just focus on giving their best effort for the remaining games.


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Last game of the season is tues against the Mavs.

 

[devilalum]

So who do the Suns take if Ayton, Bagley and Doncic go 1, 2, 3?


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[pokerface]

So who do the Suns take if Ayton, Bagley and Doncic go 1, 2, 3?


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I've been thinking about that one and I believe the consensus pick would be Jaren Jackson. I don't know how we could go with anyone else. He's a talented big that doesn't have a back problem like Porter.

 

[devilalum]

I've been thinking about that one and I believe the consensus pick would be Jaren Jackson. I don't know how we could go with anyone else. He's a talented big that doesn't have a back problem like Porter.

Defenitely seems like one of those drafts where the best player could be taken anywhere in the top 10.

Hope the Suns get this one right.


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[JCSunsfan]

So who do the Suns take if Ayton, Bagley and Doncic go 1, 2, 3?


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Young. Next best immediate impact player. Draft a big with the Miami pick (or trade)

 

[devilalum]

Young. Next best immediate impact player. Draft a big with the Miami pick (or trade)

I don’t know enough to assert myself but he’s definitely my favorite too.


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[ColdPickleNachos]

So who do the Suns take if Ayton, Bagley and Doncic go 1, 2, 3?


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I'd probably go Bamba, though I'm open to Young and Jackson. Porter is too big a risk imho. I'm at the point where I really want one of those top 3 though, so 4 would feel like a real disappointment.

 

[pokerface]

Young. Next best immediate impact player. Draft a big with the Miami pick (or trade)

Young is an interesting pick that would fill a need at pg. Young and Booker would be shooting lights out for sure.

They might swing for the fences and pick Bamba...he would fit too.

I still think JJJ would have the inside track at #4 though. But if they went another direction I'd understand it.

 

[AZCrazy]

Why the presumption that we would get the 4th pick? Because its the Suns, and we always get the thick, unlubed shafteroo at the draft lottery?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't get all the "woe is we" stuff. I know we've had an absence of good luck but all the gnashing of teeth seems extreme. It's not like we've had a hundred to one shot jump up to screw us out of something. Our bad luck injuries bother me far more than the almost predictable lottery results we've seen over the years.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd probably go Bamba, though I'm open to Young and Jackson. Porter is too big a risk imho. I'm at the point where I really want one of those top 3 though, so 4 would feel like a real disappointment.

I don't really know who I want but the draft fantasy I keep returning to is Young AND Bamba. They both have flaws but they just seem to be the perfect pairing, as they tend to cancel out the other's shortcomings.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't get all the "woe is we" stuff. I know we've had an absence of good luck but all the gnashing of teeth seems extreme. It's not like we've had a hundred to one shot jump up to screw us out of something. Our bad luck injuries bother me far more than the almost predictable lottery results we've seen over the years.

This. It’s not like we regularly have the #1 odds in the lottery and then get screwed. Bottom line is we have the best odds of anyone to land at #1 or in the top 3.

 

[Hoop Head]

If we fall to #4 it could be a blessing in disguise because that is as high as I think Young should be taken and out of all of the prospects this year I think his fit with the Suns is the best. He may not be the most talented player or the most tantalizing prospect but he's a solid PG who is a good playmaker with unlimited shooting range. He would mesh well with Booker in the backcourt for years to comes and provide some much needed outside shooting to the team.

I would much rather have Ayton because he has the potential to improve the team the most and if he's off the board I would take Bagley and then Doncic in that order because of their potential as future stars but Young would not be a bad consolation. He would allow us to address our needs in the frontcourt exclusively in the free agent market, which may be best, because focusing on the best PF's and C's available will be easier than trying to land a top PG and top big.