Episode III Poster

[Brian in Mesa]

So my question is this - IS OBI-WAN THE OLDEST LOOKING 55 YEAR OLD IN THE HISTORY OF TIME OR WHAT?

:notworthy

 

[Ryanwb]

Adventure, excitement... a Jedi seeks not these things...

Obi Won was doing the grunt work for the Galaxy all those years and didn't get any time off. His Jedi retirement fund obviously didn't do him and Yoda too well. They went from their high rise condos on Corasant to living in the desert and jungle planets respectively.

Bottom line, the dude worked his ass off his whole life and never took a vacation or got laid.... lets see how you'd look

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just finished watching Star Wars (A New Hope) on DVD for the first time and good lord that mvoie just absolutely rocks. Is it a little cheesy - yeah - without a doubt, but the sepcial effects, the models, the action, the drama within the action are what made that film so special. Even thought he Greedo thing still bugs me - it passes in a moment after watching it.

But you know what does piss me off - all the additional CGI where you can tell it's not necessary at all. It takes away fromt he reality of the flick. I love that all the machines actually look like metal and I lvoe that the aliens actuallly look like something that move in a normal manner. The CGI stuff for me is fliud to the point of unbelievability and it's soemthing that has clearly bothered me in the new series. Take the storm troopers for example in the OT - they clearly look like guys in suits, well, BEACSUE THEY ARE GUYS IN SUITS - as opposed to the all CGI Clones in the new movies where again - it's the absolute graceful motion of every one of their movements which make them look anything but humans in suits.

Also - the CGI Yoda sucks - he's got no soul.

Also - I don't understand the glossiness of everything in the new movies - yeah, yeah, I know it's before the Empire took over and everything was better back in those days - but the sets still don't look real. I guess I have a problem with the entire universe looking like a cartoon that our heroes live, whereas in the OT - they used sets - locations we can related to as being possible.

Oh well - I'm praying the last one will make up for the horrendousness of the first two because just watching A New Hope last night, made me realzie again how much of a true genius George Lucas was.

One mroe complaint - I think I read an interview with Lucas where he said for younger kids growing up - what order should they watch these movies and he said from Episode 1 on up and I gotta say if that's what he truly believes then he is absolute ****** because knowing the backstory undercuts all the weight of every emotional scene in the original trilogy. There's a reason that "Luke, I am your father" is quoted so often - it's one of the most classic lines of all time because of the absolute shock and turn the world upside down on it's head moments in all of pop cinema. Also makes that Luke-Leia kiss pretty revolting.

End of rant.

 

[arthurracoon]

 

[Cheesebeef]

one more thing - but this is about the original movies - can someone please explain to me how Han's hands are frozen as if in mid-air even though when he is lowered down into the carbon freezing thing, his hands are tied togetehr and at his waist?

Empire and the original Star Wars are two of the most brilliantly created dramas of all time. It's as if every word if actually written solely to further story line and set up the ensuing scene. It had been a while since I watched either one, but those DVDs are pretty awesome. Besdies showing more of the Ice monster - was there anything else, besides some backdrops added in in cloud city, that wasn't in the original?

 

[Chaz]

one more thing - but this is about the original movies - can someone please explain to me how Han's hands are frozen as if in mid-air even though when he is lowered down into the carbon freezing thing, his hands are tied togetehr and at his waist?

LMAO

My son and I were just talking about that yesterday.
It doesn't really make sense other than he looks cooler frozen with his hands up like he is clawing to get out.
Maybe the carbon freezing process disintegrated the ropes and he raised his hands up in the split second before he was frozen.


Like I told my son, don't think about it too much and file under suspension of disbelief to enjoy the movie.

Empire and the original Star Wars are two of the most brilliantly created dramas of all time. It's as if every word if actually written solely to further story line and set up the ensuing scene. It had been a while since I watched either one, but those DVDs are pretty awesome. Besdies showing more of the Ice monster - was there anything else, besides some backdrops added in in cloud city, that wasn't in the original?

The approach to cloud city by the Millennium Falcon and the short scene looking from outside at Leia looking out the window and the cloud car flying by. Also they took out the sound Luke screaming as he fell after he fight with Vader. Beyond that I can't think of much else.

ESB was helped the most by the effects and screwed up the least IMO. The Greedo thing in ANH and the change of the "ghost" to Hayden Christensen in ROTJ really bug me and are blemishes on otherwise excellently restored films.

I am hoping EP 3 (ROTS) is the best of the prequels. That shouldn't be too hard I guess. I will go see it and probably by the DVD no matter what but I have to wonder what a young George Lucas would think of Ep. 1 and 2.

Watching the documentary Empire of Dreams they made a point of the irony that George Lucas, in an effort to avoid the big corporate system, has become a big corporate system. Amazing what individuals can accomplish when they can labor free of the big institutions control. A huge studio would have never made Star Wars.
The huge company that is Lucasfilm now has given us Episodes 1 and 2.

 

[Djaughe]

one more thing - but this is about the original movies - can someone please explain to me how Han's hands are frozen as if in mid-air even though when he is lowered down into the carbon freezing thing, his hands are tied togetehr and at his waist?

He was laying down when the carbonite thing was fired up?

 

[Pariah]

one more thing - but this is about the original movies - can someone please explain to me how Han's hands are frozen as if in mid-air even though when he is lowered down into the carbon freezing thing, his hands are tied togetehr and at his waist?

It's widely accepted that Leah had passed han a hairpin during their laste exchange and Han was moments away from breaking free before getting dipped in carbonite (in alternate endings that have been "lost" Han does escape and a brilliant battle scene ensues. Vader is killed and the Emperor is dipped in the carbonite until he can stand trial for his crimes against the galaxy. This version was made because they weren't sure that 20th Century Fox would be purchasing the third film and they wanted to tie up the loose ends.). So, Hans hands are up when he's frozen because he's just a moment too late.

...Actually, I have no idea. I just made that stuff up. Good question, young Jedi.

 

[WaywardFan]

I do think that Hayden is a good actor, and he suffered by the writing. After watching AOTC a few times, I came to a better appreciation for what he was doing, especially considering the crappy dialogue. As to the fact it will be the same writing, let's hope it will be better for the final installment.

As to rewriting the first two, Chandler Mike, do you mean reshape the story or just rework the framework so it is better? I must admit I've considered redoing them myself.

Hayden's hair is like that by design. The boys at the ranch wanted to try to bridge they style differences between the PT and the OT, which was made in the 70's and was influenced by it.

Han's hands. I thought his binders were removed by an Ugnaught right before he was lowered in.

What I want to know is the droid inconsistencies and if they will be addressed. Ben doesn't seem to recognize R2 at the beginning of ANH (though, after watching it recently, he parsed his words cleverly enough), but I wonder if Anakin remembers them. I remember in the carbon freezing chamber when Chewie goes nuts Vader stops Boba I think from firing on him. Well, 3PO was on his back.

I will assume the other direction that the 2 droids had their memories wiped. At least 3PO. That R2 knows all of this through the whole time period is intriguing.

 

[Chaz]

Han's hands. I thought his binders were removed by an Ugnaught right before he was lowered in.

I'll buy that binders were removed, but he has a rope of some kind tied around his body including his arms about elbow level. It was nowhere to be seen when he was freed in ROTJ.

What I want to know is the droid inconsistencies and if they will be addressed. Ben doesn't seem to recognize R2 at the beginning of ANH (though, after watching it recently, he parsed his words cleverly enough), but I wonder if Anakin remembers them. I remember in the carbon freezing chamber when Chewie goes nuts Vader stops Boba I think from firing on him. Well, 3PO was on his back.

Interesting thought, Anakin/Vader doesn't want "his droid" destroyed.

I will assume the other direction that the 2 droids had their memories wiped. At least 3PO. That R2 knows all of this through the whole time period is intriguing.

If they wanted to keep the twins (or anything else) a secret then it would probably be a good plan to make sure C3PO didn't know about it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If they wanted to keep the twins (or anything else) a secret then it would probably be a good plan to make sure C3PO didn't know about it.

if they wanted to keep the twins a secret - shouldn't they maybe have given Luke to someone who WASN'T RELATED TO VADER even by marriage? Good hiding place Obi-wan - I'm sure Vader would have never thought that his Mother's family would take care of LUke. Maybe Obi-Wan was thinking that it woul just be soooo obvious to give Luke right back to the place whee Annakin's mom was killed - don't know.

The prequels have tried mighty hard to sully the Star Wars name - and sometimes I think in the abstract they do - but once the original movies come on the screen the earlier backstory crap washes away.

Obi-Wan does mince his words in the desert when he meets the Droids - but I think that was more luck than anything else.

 

[WaywardFan]

The prequels have tried mighty hard to sully the Star Wars name - and sometimes I think in the abstract they do - but once the original movies come on the screen the earlier backstory crap washes away.

Indeed!

Yes, I do believe the prequels have done more harm than good. The thing that ticks me off the most is the demmystification of the Force. In the course of a couple hours, the Force wasn't magical, mystical and carried in faith. No, it became a quotient, directly proportional to the number of bugs in your system. Huh??

 

[Chaz]

if they wanted to keep the twins a secret - shouldn't they maybe have given Luke to someone who WASN'T RELATED TO VADER even by marriage? Good hiding place Obi-wan - I'm sure Vader would have never thought that his Mother's family would take care of LUke. Maybe Obi-Wan was thinking that it woul just be soooo obvious to give Luke right back to the place whee Annakin's mom was killed - don't know.

A good point but I think the secret was to be kept from the Emperor more than anyone. I'm sure if Vader had looked for his son before the death star was destroyed that he could have found him. Even in the later movies the Emperor had trouble seeing the presense of Luke. Somehow I don't think Bail Organa would be a real tricky hiding place if the baddies were aware of and motavated to find the the daughter.
I chalk it up to the the good fortune of the light side to pull this off.

Obi-Wan does mince his words in the desert when he meets the Droids - but I think that was more luck than anything else.

I agree completely.

 

[jf-08]

okay, Chaz, i'm stumped - who is that dude in your avatar?

 

[Chaz]

Indeed!

Yes, I do believe the prequels have done more harm than good. The thing that ticks me off the most is the demmystification of the Force. In the course of a couple hours, the Force wasn't magical, mystical and carried in faith. No, it became a quotient, directly proportional to the number of bugs in your system. Huh??

An extension of the terran faith in science to explain all things perhaps.

 

[Djaughe]

okay, Chaz, i'm stumped - who is that dude in your avatar?

nikola tesla?

 

[Chaz]

okay, Chaz, i'm stumped - who is that dude in your avatar?

Nikola Tesla.

Don't be suprised if you have never heard of him. They don't teach you about him in school despite being one of the greatest inventors of all time.

 

[jf-08]

Nikola Tesla.

Don't be suprised if you have never heard of him. They don't teach you about him in school despite being one of the greatest inventors of all time.

I have an engineering degree.

I know about tesla.

ac current rocks!

:edison-schmedison:

 

[Chaz]

I have an engineering degree.

I know about tesla.

ac current rocks!

:edison-schmedison:

Right on.

It is a young Tesla. So many things we use today use Tesla inventions, not the least of which being the electrical power transmission grid.

 

[Pariah]

I love his accoustical jam album.

 

[Djaughe]

Forgotten Father of Technology

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's so sad when you think about how a good writer might have turned Ep 1 and 2 into something better and maybe even awesome...

I am excited for this movie anyways, but they have been a major disappointment so far.

Mike

Episode II is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. So many glaring editing problems and the dialogue was just awful.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I love his acoustical jam album.

I've seen Tesla a few times, including once at Big Surf with BOC and Dave Pratt and the Sex Machine Band.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

: putsonstarwarsnerdhat:

The ARC Clonefigthter, aka the precursor to X-Wing, with three wings on each side.

I thought the T-65 Incom was the precursor to the X-wing??

 

[Chaz]

I love his accoustical jam album.

:manofmanytalents: