ESPN Insider: Vince Young will declare for NFL

[RobbleRobble]

From ESPN Insider:

I know he has made an announcement to the contrary, but Vince Young is gone. Sources say he has already made up his mind that he is done after the Rose Bowl and will be headed to the NFL. It'll be interesting to see how Young handles all of the hype that comes from the bowl run-up time, especially in such a big media market.

Another name in the hat at QB enhances our chances that we'll get one. Let's hope we don't trade down and take two B. Johnson/C. Pace - type players instead.

 

[CardShark]

I don't think either will be out of the top 5. I would rate them in this order;

1. Reggie Bush
2. Matt Leinart
3. Vince Young
4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
5. Jimmy Williams

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Lendale White should be there for us at #8 or 9

 

[D-Dogg]

Lendale White should be there for us at #8 or 9

We don't need him, and especially not that high.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

We don't need him, and especially not that high.

We need him...He is a stud and we would be dumb to pass on him if the top QB's are all off the board.

 

[CardinalLaw]

We need him...He is a stud and we would be dumb to pass on him if the top QB's are all off the board.

Barring a Ronnie Brown type combine he will be there in the second, or late first. Trade with Denver if we want him, and they want our pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

Barring a Ronnie Brown type combine he will be there in the second, or late first. Trade with Denver if we want him, and they want our pick.

I think everyone says stuff like that before they've actually sat down and listed the names of the guys who will go ahead of a given player.

Last year we were all positive that one of the big 3 RB's would fall to 8, they were all gone by 5.

This year if everyone comes out we have Bush, DeAngelo Williams, Laurence Maroney and LenDale White and there are going to be teams who rate White as high as 2nd if they value power and short yardage running, like us.

It's not that easy to name 20 players in this draft better than White let alone the 30 + it takes to get him into the 2nd round.

 

[joeshmo]

This is exactly the type of player that Denny can get enamored with. I wouldnt be surprised at all if we take him or trade up to take him.

But even if we dont, that just means it pushes another player down to use all the way down the line from round 1 on down to 7th round.

 

[Snakester]

This is exactly the type of player that Denny can get enamored with. I wouldnt be surprised at all if we take him or trade up to take him.

But even if we dont, that just means it pushes another player down to use all the way down the line from round 1 on down to 7th round.

I was thinking the same thing. If he is in the top five, he knocks another guy down to us that would not have been there for us to take.

 

[D-Dogg]

We need him...He is a stud and we would be dumb to pass on him if the top QB's are all off the board.

RB is not our greatest position of need; White may be a stud, but a short yardage, get a yard or two kind of guy can be had later in the draft, and a lot cheaper.

I don't think White's a top 10 pick, either. 19-24, yeah.

And I like Lendale...

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

RB is not our greatest position of need; White may be a stud, but a short yardage, get a yard or two kind of guy can be had later in the draft, and a lot cheaper.

I don't think White's a top 10 pick, either. 19-24, yeah.

And I like Lendale...

I guess I am just really curious what is more of a priority than runningback outside of offensive line. We have the worst rushing attack in the NFL and are on pace to finish as one of the 3 worst rushing attacks in the history of the league.

Are you that convinced that our offensive line is the sole reason our running game is that awful? I'm not, and I am also not buying the Lendale White in the 2nd round theory either. He is a bonafide stud and will be a very, very high pick when the draft comes around in April.

 

[PHXviaDTW]

4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Best of the lot!

 

[Pariah]

I guess I am just really curious what is more of a priority than runningback outside of offensive line.

DT

Are you that convinced that our offensive line is the sole reason our running game is that awful?

No, but I am convinced if we eliminate the inablity of our line to run block and Green's inexplicable refusal to stick with a running game (which at least half the time seems to be working halfway decent in the first quarter, then it's literally abandoned) that we would be an adequate (not good or even average) running team.

We don't need to be in the top half of running offenses to be effective. Heck, if we were 25th in running we might be in the playoff hunt this year.

I'm for taking a RB on the first day this year if the right back presents himself to us, but the only back I'd like to see hold up a Cardinals Jersey in the first round is Reggie Bush or DeAngelo Williams.

 

[football karma]

The NFL loves backs with size -- and Len Dale will be really the only back in with a day one grade with size.

For what its worth, I heard an interview with Dale Robinson, ASU linebacker and co-defensive player of the year in the PAC-10. He was asked who is the hardest person to tackle he has faced -- answer: LenDale White.

 

[D-Dogg]

I guess I am just really curious what is more of a priority than runningback outside of offensive line. We have the worst rushing attack in the NFL and are on pace to finish as one of the 3 worst rushing attacks in the history of the league.

Are you that convinced that our offensive line is the sole reason our running game is that awful? I'm not, and I am also not buying the Lendale White in the 2nd round theory either. He is a bonafide stud and will be a very, very high pick when the draft comes around in April.

O line

DTackle

Cornerback/Free Safety

Linebacker

QBofFuture

I'd take any of these before drafting a running back. White will be a good player, but we aren't in need of another RB. JJ will be a fine starter for us, and I'd like to get a big bruiser for short yardage situations either late in the draft or in free agency.

Other than the Oline, the offense has been ok this year. The defense laid an egg for the large portion of the season. And yeah, with improved oline blocking, our running game will be better. I'd rather fix the problem (poor run blocking) than find a workaround for the problem (draft a back who can push piles and make up for terrible blocking.) Fix the blocking, and JJ is good for 1100 and 12 touches next year; if he gets that, we win the West.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess I am just really curious what is more of a priority than runningback outside of offensive line. We have the worst rushing attack in the NFL and are on pace to finish as one of the 3 worst rushing attacks in the history of the league.

Are you that convinced that our offensive line is the sole reason our running game is that awful? I'm not, and I am also not buying the Lendale White in the 2nd round theory either. He is a bonafide stud and will be a very, very high pick when the draft comes around in April.

Well it is hard to make any conclusions this year. Arrington's YPC has gone up pretty dramatically and Shipp's down dramatically, at almost the same time.

So did the OL get better and help JJ, or get worse and hurt Shipp? did JJ get better while Shipp got worn down? Did we figure out how to use JJ, and at the same time start running plays that don't suit Shipp?

If you look at the split stats for both guys you get the same result, plays run left don't work, plays run OUTSIDE left do. That tells me the problem running left is Wells. Green has said repeatedly the problem is the blocking, not the backs. So my guess is we're going to focus on really upgrading at LG and C.

If Ross can play LG it wouldn't shock me at all if we sign a new RT (or draft one) and just go Big, Ross, C(Leckey or new player), Brown, new RT. Draft the BPA in round one, if it's a RB great, if not, look for a power runner later in the draft like Michael Bush, or in FA or trade.

One guy who intrigues me just because he went from really good and upcoming to out of football in a split second, is Stacey Mack. He didn't play last year or this year. Near as I can find he worked out for teams preseason last year but was around 250 pounds and nobody signed him. He's only 30 and was one of the better short yardage runners in the league as recently as 2002. He failed as a fulltime RB in 03 and then just vanished off the face of the earth.

 

[joeshmo]

I guess I am just really curious what is more of a priority than runningback outside of offensive line. We have the worst rushing attack in the NFL and are on pace to finish as one of the 3 worst rushing attacks in the history of the league.

Are you that convinced that our offensive line is the sole reason our running game is that awful? I'm not, and I am also not buying the Lendale White in the 2nd round theory either. He is a bonafide stud and will be a very, very high pick when the draft comes around in April.

It is a combo of a lot of things on why we are going to be in the bottom 3 rushing attacks of all time. The first and foremost one is being that we are throwing more then any other team per game, I think so far we are breaking the NFL record so far in that category. Not running the ball at all is one of the biggest reasons why we will be on the bottom 3 all time. It doesnt help taht we put ourselves in passing situations becuase of penalties, and letting teams score on their first posession most of the time.

As for the OL or RB, I think it is a combo of both actually. Our RB's just arent any good. And the interior of our OL is a merry-go round of different players who for the most part all suck. And the edges are only adequate at best.

 

[Russ Smith]

The other thing is we're dead last in YPC(tied for last) yards per game, and rushing TD's. But look at some of the other teams near us, Ravens have 3 rushing Td's, and they have Lewis, Buffalo 4, with McGahee, Cleveland 4 with Droughns etc. Having a power RB is not a guarantee you can run in the redzone you still have to have the OL.