ESPN ranks Suns 107th among all franchises in the 4 major sports

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It's even sadder if you read where the rest of the AZ teams are ranked at, even the Coyotes. (Read: MUCH higher.)

This used to be a Suns town.

arizonasports.com/story/409613/diamondbacks-ranked-ninth-in-espns-pro-sports-franchise-rankings/

I blame it on the ownership.
 

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Because this is the end all and be all of the quality of our team, right?

These rankings are ridiculous and are definitely a "what have you done for me lately?" thing. We haven't proven anything right now, so it's not surprising that an east-coast organization like ESPN doesn't like us. Nobody has ever liked us over there, except for Bill Simmons, and they fired him.
 

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ESPN has done some of the dumbest rankings this year. They're making a joke of themselves
 

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Because this is the end all and be all of the quality of our team, right?

These rankings are ridiculous and are definitely a "what have you done for me lately?" thing. We haven't proven anything right now, so it's not surprising that an east-coast organization like ESPN doesn't like us. Nobody has ever liked us over there, except for Bill Simmons, and they fired him.

In fairness they judge a variety of things including cost of ticket, concessions, memorabilia sales, ect...

I personally find these rankings to be fairly accurate. You can dither over some relative team rankings but it isn't that far off.

What kills the Suns is value. They are definitely the most expensive ticket in town from the ticket price through concessions. Not a lot of value going to the game.
 

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Overall: 107
Title track: 104
Ownership: 106
Coaching: 66
Players: 111
Fan relations: 116
Affordability: 82
Stadium experience: 97
Bang for the buck: 85
Change from last year: -43

So basically they feel we are far from a title, have poor ownership, lack a superstar, don't relate well with the fans, and going to a Suns game is expensive and doesn't give a great experience.

We have a decent coach though.

I really disagree with the player ranking. We have good players.
 

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So basically they feel we are far from a title, have poor ownership, lack a superstar, don't relate well with the fans, and going to a Suns game is expensive and doesn't give a great experience.

We have a decent coach though.

I really disagree with the player ranking. We have good players.

Most of that is completely subjective.
 

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On NBATV they just picked the Suns for having the best biceps. :shrug:
 

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I think the top of these rankings are handled a lot more judiciously than the bottom (and even those tend to be skewed by halo effects).
 

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So basically they feel we are far from a title, have poor ownership, lack a superstar, don't relate well with the fans, and going to a Suns game is expensive and doesn't give a great experience.

We have a decent coach though.

I really disagree with the player ranking. We have good players.
Objectively, our first-time Coach has not yet proven himself. And there have too many negatives on his watch. "Decent" isn't good enough.

As far as good players, every NBA team has good players. A more effective evaluation would be, do we have a balanced team? The addition of Tyson Chandler gives us hope. We'll see how our Coach handles it.

The unbiased evaluation has us 107th out of 122. If we are going to take steps forward, the Suns need to work on that rather than justify it.
 

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Objectively, our first-time Coach has not yet proven himself. And there have too many negatives on his watch. "Decent" isn't good enough.

As far as good players, every NBA team has good players. A more effective evaluation would be, do we have a balanced team? The addition of Tyson Chandler gives us hope. We'll see how our Coach handles it.

The unbiased evaluation has us 107th out of 122. If we are going to take steps forward, the Suns need to work on that rather than justify it.

Unbiased is not the word I'd use but even if you label it so, there's no reason to believe there's any real accuracy here. My understanding is that they had a polling service ask about 1,000 fans about each of those areas. And since we're coming off a disappointing year, that's likely to influence voting. I don't know that we'd fare any better if the polling group was larger, more informed or better balanced but this tells us very little IMO.
 

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A lot of it is just PR. The Diamondbacks have spent years billing themselves as a contender, despite that they've been generally a bad team for 4 years and a few years of that they were grossly incompetent. However, their PR department is very effective at reaching the fan base, much of which was in denial over just how far the team actually was from contending for anything (national writers meanwhile had been trashing the team's moves for years).

The Suns level of success is similar to the Dbacks over the last few years, with the exception of the surprise 48-34 season but the team is absolutely horrid at marketing itself. "Ignite the future", "All for Mook", "Team FOE" (yes they had the Morris Brother's stupid motto on a banner). Bad stuff.

The Suns are a true star player away from contending, the Dbacks need an entire pitching staff. Essentially, both are in similar boats (but the Suns will probably have a better winning percentage), but one team is near the top of this list, the other near the bottom. Sure, the Dbacks offer a cheaper night at the park, which they should be commended for, but the divide in this ranking is much larger than simply that. The Dbacks sell themselves much better than the Suns do. Almost as badly as the Suns need to improve their product on the court, they also need to can whoever is in charge of PR and marketing and running the nightly experience of the Arena (outside of the game itself). The Halloween colors, the endless droning of "D-FENSE" over the speakers, music blasting during every stop in play... its ugly.
 

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The Diamondbacks are highly ranked because it is routinely named as one of the best places to work, has the cheapest prices in baseball, and I can't stress how amazing they treat their season ticket holders. If I need anything, I have multiple people I can call and they have never failed to meet my needs.
 
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Lakers are ranked relatively low too and I think it has to do with their ticket price vs product on the court. Of course when your a team like the Lakers, you can make the prices whatever you want cause you know people are still gonna come to watch Kobe no matter how old he is.

For the Suns, despite their players complaining about fan attendance, their ticket prices are simply far too high for the product they put on the floor IMO.
 
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Lakers are ranked relatively low too and I think it has to do with their ticket price vs product on the court. Of course when your a team like the Lakers, you can make the prices whatever you want cause you know people are still gonna come to watch Kobe no matter how old he is.

For the Suns, despite their players complaining about fan attendance, their ticket prices are simply far too much for the product they put on the floor IMO.

I can tell you I looked into season tickets for the Suns as well and just passed on it (I handle all of our season tickets for work). The cost was extremely high for where you sit and overall their customer service didn't impress me.
 
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I can tell you I looked into season tickets for the Suns as well and just passed on it (I handle all of our season tickets for work). The cost was extremely high for where you sit and overall their customer service didn't impress me.

No kidding. Sometimes I feel like the Suns ticket sales staff thinks that the Suns are still as good and hot as the SSOL prime Nash teams from back in the day.

Their ticket prices sure don't reflect the change on the roster.
 

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I could afford playoff tickets when the Suns were: Nash Amare and Marion.

Now I've looked the last four years and the tickets are more expensive even with a lesser product.
 

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I do not believe the Suns have been to the playoffs since the 2009-10 season.
 

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I do not believe the Suns have been to the playoffs since the 2009-10 season.

Let's see, they missed back to back seasons with Nash and then they had the 25 win season with Dragic running the team alone and then the 48 win season with Goran and Eric playing together and then the 38 win meltdown season. So that's 5 straight seasons (14, 13, 12, 11, 10). Yep, you're right - they haven't made the playoffs since the season that started in 09.
 

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Let's see, they missed back to back seasons with Nash and then they had the 25 win season with Dragic running the team alone and then the 48 win season with Goran and Eric playing together and then the 38 win meltdown season. So that's 5 straight seasons (14, 13, 12, 11, 10). Yep, you're right - they haven't made the playoffs since the season that started in 09.

Exactly. It's hard to believe it has been that long since the Suns have been to the playoffs. The Suns should really be promoting their product.
 

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The Diamondbacks are highly ranked because it is routinely named as one of the best places to work, has the cheapest prices in baseball, and I can't stress how amazing they treat their season ticket holders. If I need anything, I have multiple people I can call and they have never failed to meet my needs.

I agree with that. The Dbacks do a really good job of representing themselves to the community, and I don't mean in terms of players and crime drama, but PR, marketing, engaging the fans. And these are all things the Suns are teeeeeeeerrrrrrrrriiiiiiiibbbbbblllllllleeeee at. As much as they need a superstar they equally need to clean house of the people who are handle the brand and the fan interactions.
 

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I used to go to NAU from 00-13, was super excited about the Suns being on my side of campus. But nope, no interaction with fans, practices and players were guarded, and the GM was unapproachable. Really turned me off to them. It's all business I guess.
 

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