Evan Turner Anyone?

[overseascardfan]

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/11/05/evan-turner-should-be-on-trading-block/

Speculation is that Turner is on the block and rumors of trades with CHI, DAL & CLE (for Dion Waiters) are flying.

Maybe we trade the Morris twins to their native PHI and get a talented guy like Turner? It solves a logjam at PF and PHX can focus on PF in the draft.

 

[Gaddabout]

Turner for Walters would be perfect for those teams. One locker room headache for another. Turner probably deserves exile to Cleveland more than most.

I wouldn't want either of those toxic personalities in Phoenix.

 

[elindholm]

I'm not interested in Waiters, but Turner, heck yeah.

 

[Errntknght]

Does anyone know what the story is with Jeremy Evans (Utah)? He's a fourth year SF who hardly plays yet his stats are off the charts. Career averages: .661 FG%, 9.1 rebounds per 40 minutes, 2.4 blocks/40, 1.6/40 TOs. He's behind Hayward but Gordon can play SG just fine. Maybe he's injured all the time but its as rare as a summer cool breeze in Phoenix for a guy who's coming off injuries to perform that stellar.

I don't recall ever seeing him play but his name has been popping up near the top of my offensive efficiency ratings for the last two years - he would have the two years before, too, but I didn't compute the stat then.

 

[slinslin]

Turner for Walters would be perfect for those teams. One locker room headache for another. Turner probably deserves exile to Cleveland more than most.

I wouldn't want either of those toxic personalities in Phoenix.

Turner toxic? Lol

Even Waiters is not toxic, he has a point if the rumors are true. Irving is an overrated spoiled pseudo-star.

 

[Phrazbit]

Turner toxic? Lol

Even Waiters is not toxic, he has a point if the rumors are true. Irving is an overrated spoiled pseudo-star.

Even if he did have a point he is still toxic. Waiters feels like he should be allowed to suck on defense because Irving does? What the hell kind of stance is that for a player to take?

Hey Waiters, maybe if you stopped worrying about other players and tried on defense you'd play, perhaps the Cavs have a "double standard" with Irving because his offense makes up for his D... while Dion sucks on both ends.

 

[Phrazbit]

I actually like Turner though. I've advocated making a move for him a few times over the years, but at this point I'd think his price is getting too high. I dont get why Philly would still be shopping him.

 

[Gaddabout]

Turner toxic? Lol

OK, he's an amazing guy. The Sixers are interested in dumping him because they just can't stand to have amazing talent.

Or, possibly, there's something to the criticism of him in Philly, and there's something to learn about a guy who continues to shoot 3s from wherever he feels like in spite of his 16% clip.

 

[PhxGametime]

Jeremy Evans has got to be the skinniest player in the League, though at 6'9 can jump - he was recently in dunk contest. I'll have-to check out his stats but I believe he's lacking jumper...

Gerald Green had been only known as dunker and he's one of my favorite players on the Suns currently, so I'll have-to keep eye on Jeremy Evans. In College I swear I saw him have like 5 monster dunks in a game - trying to remember his Collegiate Team. Western Kentucky - I had to peek in Lindys magazine! lol

He's got a 2 year contract for under 3 million/year (from what I remember) - though I'm not sure he could guard LeBron James at his size.

 

[PhxGametime]

With 10-15 more pounds could be Tim Perry like player, though I can't remember Perry's game too much...

 

[slinslin]

Even if he did have a point he is still toxic. Waiters feels like he should be allowed to suck on defense because Irving does? What the hell kind of stance is that for a player to take?

Hey Waiters, maybe if you stopped worrying about other players and tried on defense you'd play, perhaps the Cavs have a "double standard" with Irving because his offense makes up for his D... while Dion sucks on both ends.

Funny then that many Cavs fans are siding with Waiters then who has a reputation for being one of the hard workers on the team.

Irving is full of himself, think he is a star already and one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Consistantly overdribbles and takes bad shots.

The fact that the Cavs spoil Irving and let him do whatever he wants without holding him accountable is nothing new. They did the same with Lebron, at least Lebron was a great player. Irving is not a great player, he is talented but he is not even close to being a star on the floor.

 

[slinslin]

OK, he's an amazing guy. The Sixers are interested in dumping him because they just can't stand to have amazing talent.

Or, possibly, there's something to the criticism of him in Philly, and there's something to learn about a guy who continues to shoot 3s from wherever he feels like in spite of his 16% clip.

I haven't heard any criticism about him this year and second just because a players get shopped it does not mean he is toxic.

Whispers are that Evan Turner does not want to stay in Philly and will sign a restricted offer elsewhere that could be hard to match for Philly especially when he does not want to be there anymore and I couldn't blame him for that.

 

[overseascardfan]

To be very honest, I do not think PHX will end up in the Top 5 of the draft. They aren't losing enough and currently they are at the #11 slot according to NBA Draft Net. So that means they will be out of Parker / Wiggins / Randle / Smart range, if that is the case Turner gives them exactly what they need, a young, skilled and athletic SF who is really starting to emerge as a really good player in the NBA. I don't think PHI will ask much for him as they have Thaddeus Young whom I think they like more than Turner.

 

[Chaplin]

To be very honest, I do not think PHX will end up in the Top 5 of the draft. They aren't losing enough and currently they are at the #11 slot according to NBA Draft Net. So that means they will be out of Parker / Wiggins / Randle / Smart range, if that is the case Turner gives them exactly what they need, a young, skilled and athletic SF who is really starting to emerge as a really good player in the NBA. I don't think PHI will ask much for him as they have Thaddeus Young whom I think they like more than Turner.

After only a month, I'm not sure you can say we won't get top 5. We're a ten-game losing streak away from being in the mix.

 

[AzStevenCal]

After only a month, I'm not sure you can say we won't get top 5. We're a ten-game losing streak away from being in the mix.

He did say "I don't think" and let's face it, just about every team in the league is a ten game losing streak away from being in the mix. I think we'd have to lose both Bledsoe and Dragic for extended periods to drastically alter our draft profile. I know you and many others don't like the Morris brothers and a lot of people are expecting Green to disappear any day now but myself, I think this team is for real. And I think it's a lot of fun to watch. I'm convinced we have a better chance at making the playoffs than we do of being one of the 5 worst teams.

Steve

 

[Errntknght]

Jeremy Evans has got to be the skinniest player in the League, though at 6'9 can jump - he was recently in dunk contest. I'll have-to check out his stats but I believe he's lacking jumper...

Gerald Green had been only known as dunker and he's one of my favorite players on the Suns currently, so I'll have-to keep eye on Jeremy Evans. In College I swear I saw him have like 5 monster dunks in a game - trying to remember his Collegiate Team. Western Kentucky - I had to peek in Lindys magazine! lol

He's got a 2 year contract for under 3 million/year (from what I remember) - though I'm not sure he could guard LeBron James at his size.

Thanks for the info, Draftnik. It makes more sense now... I checked a little deeper and there were clues in his stats that I overlooked - blinded by the other numbers I mentioned. He doesn't take many shots and his FT % is lower than his FG% at .644 - definite signs he has no jumper. I also failed to note that he weighed only 197 lbs. A taller, skinnier Gerald Green with no shot!

He's probably one of those guys whose stats are so good precisely because he plays so little - he's always taking opponents by surprise. Still I think I'd look for opportunities to get him on the floor more... whats the point of a player who plays under 250 minutes per season. I guess they're keeping him hoping he'll bulk up a bit.


Incidentally I saw a video interview with Gerald Green in which he said that in his first year of high school he was cut from the basketball team because he couldn't dunk. He was so upset about it that he wore ankle weights constantly for the next year and after that he could jump much much higher. I went right out and bought myself some ankle weights - I'm only 75 so I figure I can still add a foot or two to my vertical!

 

[Gaddabout]

With 10-15 more pounds could be Tim Perry like player, though I can't remember Perry's game too much...

Perry was awful until his last year here. He became a somewhat productive (but still infuriating) talent. He was supposed to be Larry Nance. He was too weak and too passive to be anything like that. I don't think his personality suited the NBA game.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Perry was awful until his last year here. He became a somewhat productive (but still infuriating) talent. He was supposed to be Larry Nance. He was too weak and too passive to be anything like that. I don't think his personality suited the NBA game.

He was so versatile in college but in the NBA he really didn't do anything well enough to have much of an impact. I don't think he had the physical or mental stuff to play center either and that seemed to be how we used him mostly.

Steve

 

[Superbone]

He was so versatile in college but in the NBA he really didn't do anything well enough to have much of an impact. I don't think he had the physical or mental stuff to play center either and that seemed to be how we used him mostly.

Steve

Center? I don't remember that at all. I thought I remember him being more the small forward type.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Center? I don't remember that at all. I thought I remember him being more the small forward type.

Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I thought he played mostly center for us and occasionally the four spot but his stay in Phoenix pretty much pre-dates the easy access to teams that we have today. I was already in So Cal and didn't get to actually see a lot of games and relied mostly on box scores and radio. I used to drive around and listen to the games occasionally, I couldn't pick it up at my house but the game would come in just a few miles from home.

Steve

 

[Errntknght]

My memory agrees with AzSteve... I can almost see him battling away with bigger guys down in the low post... defensively. In my recollection he was a reasonably solid defender despite being routinely overmatched in size.

 

[Errntknght]

According to Doug's stats Perry was listed as center his first three years in Phx and after that as a PF.

 

[Errntknght]

He did say "I don't think" and let's face it, just about every team in the league is a ten game losing streak away from being in the mix. I think we'd have to lose both Bledsoe and Dragic for extended periods to drastically alter our draft profile. I know you and many others don't like the Morris brothers and a lot of people are expecting Green to disappear any day now but myself, I think this team is for real. And I think it's a lot of fun to watch. I'm convinced we have a better chance at making the playoffs than we do of being one of the 5 worst teams.

Steve

I generally agree but I do think that the Morri and Frye could drag the team down enough to put us in the running for a top eight spot in the draft. I'm not too concerned about Green as he has had better years than this and they happened when he had fairly heavy minutes - which he's getting now. On the positive side our offense improved while Bledsoe was sitting and he leads the team in that category so his return should not reverse that trend. Our defense fell off fairly sharply and I've little doubt his return will boost that back up. If I'm right about that and Markieff and Frye don't fall back we'll be in the running for the playoffs as we are right on the edge now.

 

[Superbone]

Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I thought he played mostly center for us and occasionally the four spot but his stay in Phoenix pretty much pre-dates the easy access to teams that we have today. I was already in So Cal and didn't get to actually see a lot of games and relied mostly on box scores and radio. I used to drive around and listen to the games occasionally, I couldn't pick it up at my house but the game would come in just a few miles from home.

Steve

Looked at Wikipedia and see that he was 6'9", 200 lbs and listed as a power forward. I didn't remember that he was that tall but I do remember him being skinny which the weight corroborates. Perry was there during the years of Mark West and Andrew Lang so I'd guess he played predominantly at PF for us but maybe not.

 

[Mainstreet]

I remember Tim Perry as a PF but we can eliminate any discrepancy if we call him a F/C.