Excellent Patrick Peterson Analysis

[Shane]

franchise is top money though. if the rational is that he isnt worth that money, you wouldnt franchise him.

It's top 10 average iirc? So top 10 probably worth it even if he doesn't improve past where he is now. But like i said the team has up to three year to figure out what they think he's worth.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Thats quite a leap of faith and you have zero evidence to really support it. He could have already hit his ceiling. He has been in the league 3 years and is by all accounts one of the hardest workers there is and is constantly working on his game. He may just be about as good as he is going to get.

He is a very good player. But he isn't and never has been in the same category as a guy like Revis. Unless he can show that improvement no way do you pay him "top 2" money like you suggest. Im glad we have him for at least 3 more season for the team to make that determination though.

It's more of a leap of faith to think he's not going to improve. He hasn't even entered his prime as a football player. Revis didn't become THE shutdown CB until his 3rd-4th year in the league but he was also a couple years older than PP.

When he signs his next contract I'll be shocked if he isn't the highest paid CB in the league. That will likely only be until the next big name CB signs but he'll still receive top money at the time of his signing.

 

[iRobot]

People tend to forget that NFL players get paid for "proving" they can hang in the league and for the young potential they are believed to have ahead of them.

 

[kerouac9]

People tend to forget that NFL players get paid for "proving" they can hang in the league and for the young potential they are believed to have ahead of them.

I think the opposite is true. NFL players tend to get paid for past performance and the expectation that they'll continue that performance--particularly on second contracts.

Edge James certainly didn't get paid for the young potential he was believed to have when the Cards signed him. Same with Larry Fitzgerald--for what young potential did he just cash a check that had a twelve and six zeroes before the decimal point?

 

[BigRedRage]

It's top 10 average iirc? So top 10 probably worth it even if he doesn't improve past where he is now. But like i said the team has up to three year to figure out what they think he's worth.

i thought it was top 5 for franchise tags.

Either way, pay the man, lock him up long term. Hes worth it IMO and will make an excellent safety as he slows down 8 years from now

 

[oaken1]

might have changed but it one was...... Top 5 for franchise tag and top 10 for transition tag....maybe the new CBA changed all of that

 

[kerouac9]

i thought it was top 5 for franchise tags.

Either way, pay the man, lock him up long term. Hes worth it IMO and will make an excellent safety as he slows down 8 years from now

might have changed but it one was...... Top 5 for franchise tag and top 10 for transition tag....maybe the new CBA changed all of that

As I understand it, the 5th year option salary is for the top 10 at the position--I think that's what Shane is talking about.

The Franchise tag is the top 5 salaries at the position over the past 5 years.

 

[iRobot]

I think the opposite is true. NFL players tend to get paid for past performance and the expectation that they'll continue that performance--particularly on second contracts.

Edge James certainly didn't get paid for the young potential he was believed to have when the Cards signed him. Same with Larry Fitzgerald--for what young potential did he just cash a check that had a twelve and six zeroes before the decimal point?

I should of qualified what I said with an and/or as well as been maybe a little moer clear..

Young players get paid for "proving" (performing) they belong in the league and/or young potential to grow in their position.

Now obviously, this is a generalized statement and doesn't work in every case. Running backs are different compared to corner backs, etc. etc. Young players vs franchise cornerstones that have been around for a long time.

I didn't expect the statement to get over analyzed.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No wonder K9 found this. That was the most overly negative article I have read. Many truths and accuracies yet any analysis should include break down of great plays and strong individual efforts which Peterson had many if this year. The Tanpa Bay game was the best. He essentially won us that game with his INTs yet there is a throw away comment on that and then focuses on physical battle of Vjax and how this was tough on Peterson.

Peterson is still maturing as a player and I agree the Staff put too much on his plate last year mostly because BA needed speed for the offense and had to manufacture this. That won't be the case next year with the Ginn addition.

As Irobot tried to explain in the NFL you get paid for a blend of past production but primarily more so on what your past production means for your potential production. As K9 loves to do he picks a couple outlier instances that support his argument (Fitz being a terrible argument because of the fact that his exorbitant salary takes into account his horrible previously negotiated contracts and the fact he is the face of the franchise. Arizona didn't really have a choice but over pay him because of those two factors) but them fails to acknowledge he vast majority of cases such as in the case of Wes Welker, Maurice Jones Drew, Chris Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Eric Winston, and on and on of guys who produced in the past couple season but don't get paid for that production but rather what the common thought is of what they will do through the duration of their next contract.

For that reason I would pay PP as the top or 2nd best CB in the game and not think twice about it. Not only is a he top 5 guy now with generational athletic talent that leads you to believe he will get better as he learns further nuance (That's why I can assume that Shane to answer your question) but also has the work ethic, professionalism, and leadership qualities that cause you to overpay because the risk of the guy crapping out is very much diminished knowing the type of person he is and always will be.

I can't wait till some other team overpays Sherman and a lot of people will look dumb dumb dumb because they fall in line with the common thought. Beyond what many others have cited about Sherman's responsibility being much different then what PP is asked to do, there is also the fact that his HC has a very DB friendly scheme and personnel setup that makes guys like Brandon Browner of CFL fame and some dude named Maxwell look like Pro Bowlers and probably the best back end coverage safety of the past decade in Earl Thomas playing behind him allowing him to play the press coverage he does.

Guy is a louder Nmandi Asmougha and that will show if he ends up leaving Seattle just watch.