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Odeen Domingo and Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
May. 2, 2005 12:00 AM

No. 1 vs. No. 1.

The Cardinals' past two first-round picks have been matched up a lot this weekend with last year's pick, receiver Larry Fitzgerald, getting the better of this year's pick, cornerback Antrel Rolle.

During one-on-one drills Saturday, Fitzgerald beat Rolle twice on deep routes - first, down the middle of the field and the second on a double move down the right sideline that froze Rolle.



But Rolle showed signs he's getting up to speed Sunday, the last day of mandatory workouts before training camp in August.

Rolle stayed step for step with Fitzgerald catching the ball only because he illegally pushed Rolle away.

"It was a couple of rough days for me," Rolle said. "I never played 'off' coverage, but now I'm just trying to do whatever I can just to stick with him on 'off' coverage. I'm doing a good job of that, just watching his hips, trying to learn a little bit more about the 'off' coverage scheme. It's been helping me today."

Rolle said he's going back to Miami to work more on "off" coverage the next two weeks before he has to report for the Cardinals' rookie developmental camp in mid-May.

Injury report

Cornerback Eric Green, one of the team's third-round draft picks, missed practice Saturday and Sunday because of a sore hip flexor muscle.

"I feel like I've fallen a step behind," he said. "I need to be out there working with the guys."

Green blames the soreness on off-season training that was geared toward running fast in workouts.

"I was doing too much combine training as opposed to football training," he said.


• Starting safety Adrian Wilson (hamstring) did not work out Sunday.

Position switch

When the Cardinals signed Orlando Huff as a free agent this off-season, it was assumed he would play middle linebacker, the position he played in Seattle.

Instead, Huff is the team's starting weak side linebacker with Gerald Hayes staying in the middle. Huff isn't complaining.

"I just knew I was going to play one of the 'backer spots, I just didn't know which one," he said. "It's fun. This defense is designed for speed and the Will (weak side) 'backer makes a lot of plays."

Most of the Cardinals linebackers, like Huff, can play at least two positions.



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Quarterback John Navarre's right ring finger, which he injured during his NFL debut last season, is 100 percent healed after keeping it in a brace for six weeks.

Navarre, a 2004 seventh-round pick from Michigan, suffered a chip fracture on that finger against the Detroit Lions last season. He didn't play a down in the first 11 games before he was named the starter against the Lions. He injured the finger during the game but didn't come out, which may have contributed to four interceptions in the loss.

"I couldn't grip the ball as well as I could so I changed my throwing motion," Navarre said. "It's just how it worked out. I went through it but I probably should have come out, done it up and taped it up."

Navarre is back to his regular throwing motion and has looked sharp in passing drills. Unlike the other three quarterbacks, Navarre doesn't look like he has to put any extra weight into his passes. He has zip on the ball and throws the deep ball with relative ease.

At 6 feet 6, 250 pounds, he is the team's biggest quarterback by far.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0502cardsnb0502.html
 

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azdad1978 said:
Odeen Domingo and Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
May. 2, 2005 12:00 AM

No. 1 vs. No. 1.

The Cardinals' past two first-round picks have been matched up a lot this weekend with last year's pick, receiver Larry Fitzgerald, getting the better of this year's pick, cornerback Antrel Rolle.

During one-on-one drills Saturday, Fitzgerald beat Rolle twice on deep routes - first, down the middle of the field and the second on a double move down the right sideline that froze Rolle.



But Rolle showed signs he's getting up to speed Sunday, the last day of mandatory workouts before training camp in August.

Rolle stayed step for step with Fitzgerald catching the ball only because he illegally pushed Rolle away.

"It was a couple of rough days for me," Rolle said. "I never played 'off' coverage, but now I'm just trying to do whatever I can just to stick with him on 'off' coverage. I'm doing a good job of that, just watching his hips, trying to learn a little bit more about the 'off' coverage scheme. It's been helping me today."

Rolle said he's going back to Miami to work more on "off" coverage the next two weeks before he has to report for the Cardinals' rookie developmental camp in mid-May.

Injury report

Cornerback Eric Green, one of the team's third-round draft picks, missed practice Saturday and Sunday because of a sore hip flexor muscle.

"I feel like I've fallen a step behind," he said. "I need to be out there working with the guys."

Green blames the soreness on off-season training that was geared toward running fast in workouts.

"I was doing too much combine training as opposed to football training," he said.


• Starting safety Adrian Wilson (hamstring) did not work out Sunday.

Position switch

When the Cardinals signed Orlando Huff as a free agent this off-season, it was assumed he would play middle linebacker, the position he played in Seattle.
Instead, Huff is the team's starting weak side linebacker with Gerald Hayes staying in the middle. Huff isn't complaining.

"I just knew I was going to play one of the 'backer spots, I just didn't know which one," he said. "It's fun. This defense is designed for speed and the Will (weak side) 'backer makes a lot of plays."
Most of the Cardinals linebackers, like Huff, can play at least two positions.



Thumbs up

Quarterback John Navarre's right ring finger, which he injured during his NFL debut last season, is 100 percent healed after keeping it in a brace for six weeks.

Navarre, a 2004 seventh-round pick from Michigan, suffered a chip fracture on that finger against the Detroit Lions last season. He didn't play a down in the first 11 games before he was named the starter against the Lions. He injured the finger during the game but didn't come out, which may have contributed to four interceptions in the loss.

"I couldn't grip the ball as well as I could so I changed my throwing motion," Navarre said. "It's just how it worked out. I went through it but I probably should have come out, done it up and taped it up."

Navarre is back to his regular throwing motion and has looked sharp in passing drills. Unlike the other three quarterbacks, Navarre doesn't look like he has to put any extra weight into his passes. He has zip on the ball and throws the deep ball with relative ease.

At 6 feet 6, 250 pounds, he is the team's biggest quarterback by far.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0502cardsnb0502.html


Spanky and everyone else who was talking samck about Hayes. How about eating some crow. Seems as though Hayes is the man in the middle for now. :thumbup:
 

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Who said Navarre looked awful in camp? Seems that notion is wrong. Im telling ya this guy has a chance.
 

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swd1974 said:
Who said Navarre looked awful in camp? Seems that notion is wrong. Im telling ya this guy has a chance.[/QUOTE

Yes - he does have a "chance" of beating out Tommy Chang.
 

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swd1974 said:
Who said Navarre looked awful in camp? Seems that notion is wrong. Im telling ya this guy has a chance.[/QUOTE

Yes - he does have a "chance" of beating out Tommy Chang.


He's got a very good shot of beating out Omigosh It's Josh! as well. Heck, if Navarre hadn't hurt his finger last year, OMGIJ probably wouldn't have gotten his million this season.
 

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He's got a very good shot of beating out Omigosh It's Josh! as well. Heck, if Navarre hadn't hurt his finger last year, OMGIJ probably wouldn't have gotten his million this season.

Replace "Probably" with "Possibly" and who could disagree.
 

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"It was a couple of rough days for me," Rolle said. "I never played 'off' coverage, but now I'm just trying to do whatever I can just to stick with him on 'off' coverage. I'm doing a good job of that, just watching his hips, trying to learn a little bit more about the 'off' coverage scheme. It's been helping me today."

This is why I had Pac Man Jones rated ahead of Rolle on my board. It's going to take a bit of transition time for Rolle to figure this out. It sounds like he's a hard worker, but Jones played a lot of "off" coverages at West Virginia.

That being said, I'm pretty ecstatic that we have Rolle. :thumbup:
 

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azdad1978 said:
Odeen Domingo and Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
May. 2, 2005 12:00 AM

No. 1 vs. No. 1.

The Cardinals' past two first-round picks have been matched up a lot this weekend with last year's pick, receiver Larry Fitzgerald, getting the better of this year's pick, cornerback Antrel Rolle.

During one-on-one drills Saturday, Fitzgerald beat Rolle twice on deep routes - first, down the middle of the field and the second on a double move down the right sideline that froze Rolle.



But Rolle showed signs he's getting up to speed Sunday, the last day of mandatory workouts before training camp in August.

Rolle stayed step for step with Fitzgerald catching the ball only because he illegally pushed Rolle away.

"It was a couple of rough days for me," Rolle said. "I never played 'off' coverage, but now I'm just trying to do whatever I can just to stick with him on 'off' coverage. I'm doing a good job of that, just watching his hips, trying to learn a little bit more about the 'off' coverage scheme. It's been helping me today."

Rolle said he's going back to Miami to work more on "off" coverage the next two weeks before he has to report for the Cardinals' rookie developmental camp in mid-May.

Injury


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0502cardsnb0502.html

I am not suprised by this at all. Rolle is gonna need some time to get adjusted to this type of coverage. He is more of a mauler. A guy that will hit you in the face at the line of scrimmage. He is not used to playing in off coverage.

Let us hope he can adjust!
 

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Shane H said:
Spanky and everyone else who was talking samck about Hayes. How about eating some crow. Seems as though Hayes is the man in the middle for now. :thumbup:

Shane......if there has been anybody that has been more "in the camp" of Gerald Hayes than I, then I'd be surprised. I have never knocked on him whatever. Man I'd wish you and others would be more careful when you attribute things like this to others.
 

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I like having Hayes in the middle. On Special Teams last year, he was the guy that was always getting the crowd involved and "pumping" up the volume. I think he has the potential to be an overachiever, much like Ronnie Mac was for so many years.

As far as Huff...I though Darling was the starting weakside linebacker? Either way, this provides depth I suppose with Mitchell taking the back up spot behind Hayes. It will be interesting to see how this group comes together, Dansby is the only for sure guy...
 

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I like having Hayes in the middle. On Special Teams last year, he was the guy that was always getting the crowd involved and "pumping" up the volume. I think he has the potential to be an overachiever, much like Ronnie Mac was for so many years.

As far as Huff...I though Darling was the starting weakside linebacker? Either way, this provides depth I suppose with Mitchell taking the back up spot behind Hayes. It will be interesting to see how this group comes together, Dansby is the only for sure guy...

Ronnie Mac sucked for so many years. That's one of the reasons why our defense has been bad for so many years. I hope that he's a good player, rather than an overacheiver.

If Hayes was so good on special teams, why did our special teams suck so bad last season?

I thought that Darling was the starting SLB, and Dansby was the starting WLB (and designated blitzer). I'm just glad that all our guys are cross-training so that we'll be a little better protected if someone goes down.
 

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I thought that Darling was the starting SLB, and Dansby was the starting WLB (and designated blitzer). .

The other way around...

For a guy who follows the team so closely and not short on opinions, I'm surprised you hadn't noticed this...
 

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kerouac9 said:
If Hayes was so good on special teams, why did our special teams suck so bad last season?

Last I checked there are 10 other guys on special teams as well? :doi:

Am I missing something?
 

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Shane H said:
Last I checked there are 10 other guys on special teams as well? :doi:

Am I missing something?

Yep you are. At Mini Camp Green announced they are changing the name to Gerald Teams since he is the only one responsible for good or bad play of the special tea...excuse me Gerald teams.
 

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Yep you are. At Mini Camp Green announced they are changing the name to Gerald Teams since he is the only one responsible for good or bad play of the special tea...excuse me Gerald teams.

:lmao:
 

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swd1974 said:
Who said Navarre looked awful in camp? Seems that notion is wrong. Im telling ya this guy has a chance.[/QUOTE

Yes - he does have a "chance" of beating out Tommy Chang.

Did you mean Tommy Chong or Timmy Chang? I'm pulling for Chang but I'm afraid he's too small and the adjustment to the NFL (under center) will be his demise.
 

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I like the way our backers' are looking.


WLB- Dansby (Blackstock)
MLB- Hayes (Mitchell)
SLB- Huff (Darling)
 

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That's a bit of a shock to me. I thought Darling played well last year and I'm surprised that Huff has immediatley taken over.

I'm wondering if this is just to get Huff reps at OLB, since Darling has experince playing inside and out?

Also, did Blackstock play Will or Sam in college?
 

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That's a bit of a shock to me. I thought Darling played well last year and I'm surprised that Huff has immediatley taken over.

I'm wondering if this is just to get Huff reps at OLB, since Darling has experince playing inside and out?

Also, did Blackstock play Will or Sam in college?

He played the right side, which is Sam I believe.
 

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He played the right side, which is Sam I believe.

Sam would be on the TEs side. Correct?
 

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Sam would be on the TEs side. Correct?

I always thought Sam was the strong side, which is the right side of the Defense. But I checked it and he plays on the same side as D. Brooks who is a Will LB.
 

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BigDavis75 said:
I like the way our backers' are looking.


WLB- Dansby (Blackstock)
MLB- Hayes (Mitchell)
SLB- Huff (Darling)

I had it right on this post and changed it for some reason, :thud:
 

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