Extensions

[Chopper0080]

If I am Keim, I am extending these players as of right now.

1 - Budda Baker. 4 year extension adding 50 mil on top of his salary. You would back-load it so the last year is meh. Pays him around 12 mil per year which is steep but adds needed stability over the next 3 years which is very important.

2 - Patrick Peterson. 3 years extension adding 39 mil. 13 per year. This is another one that people will likely hate. However, we can't head into next offseason with Byron Murphy, likely cap-cut Robert Alford, and Peterson being the 3rd or 4th best CB on the market. This is where I will make the argument that Murray is on a cap friendly deal and we need to keep talent around him even if it is overpaid talent.

3 - Chandler Jones. Give him two additional years on top of the 20 mil he is to be paid next year. That takes him to 33.

There are a ton of reasons not to do these deals but in reality, this team needs players who can produce and has yet to show the ability to draft and develop guys. In terms of the cap, it shouldn't be a huge issue. You can structure Budda's to have a lower number next year, Jones is already set to make 20, and Peterson's is the only real add. Probably drops us from 60 mil to 37 mil.

 

[Solar7]

I agree with all of these moves. I'm reluctant to re-sign Baker the most of them, because safety always seems to have some reasonable players to be had on cheaper deals.

Peterson is getting up there in age but you paint the exact right picture about what the situation is. What else are we gonna do? Go after Jalen Ramsey, a team cancer? Draft a rookie in the mid first and make him our #1 CB? Few of the names on the market are compelling, and PP shows out in the top 25 of almost all available free agents on the list.

Jones has been great and keeping him until about that age is probably right around the sweet spot.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with all of these moves. I'm reluctant to re-sign Baker the most of them, because safety always seems to have some reasonable players to be had on cheaper deals.

Peterson is getting up there in age but you paint the exact right picture about what the situation is. What else are we gonna do? Go after Jalen Ramsey, a team cancer? Draft a rookie in the mid first and make him our #1 CB? Few of the names on the market are compelling, and PP shows out in the top 25 of almost all available free agents on the list.

Jones has been great and keeping him until about that age is probably right around the sweet spot.

The Baker contract is more for ensuring stability than anything else. Baker is a solid dude. He seems focused, he does his job, and works hard. Our secondary is better with him for the next 4 years at 12 mil than it is using assets to hopefully replace him. And let's be honest, we can't count on Keim to draft an immediate replacement and someone as good as him in free agency will cost around 10 mil anyways.

 

[Chopper0080]

Essentially...I think we have a shot at a Super Bowl roster with a defense that has

DE - Jordan Phillips (if he does what I think he can do)
NT
DE

OLB - Chandler Jones
ILB - Jordan Hicks
ILB - Isaiah Simmons
OLB - Devon Kennard

CB - Patrick Peterson
CB -
S - Budda Baker
S -

and hopefully some of the Jalen Thompson, Byron Murphy, Zach Allen, Michael Dogbe, Rashard Lawrence, and Leki Fotu develop. Also, we continue to add young players to that group.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I absolutely agree with your logic here.

 

[DVontel]

I agree with all of these moves. I'm reluctant to re-sign Baker the most of them, because safety always seems to have some reasonable players to be had on cheaper deals.

Peterson is getting up there in age but you paint the exact right picture about what the situation is. What else are we gonna do? Go after Jalen Ramsey, a team cancer? Draft a rookie in the mid first and make him our #1 CB? Few of the names on the market are compelling, and PP shows out in the top 25 of almost all available free agents on the list.

Jones has been great and keeping him until about that age is probably right around the sweet spot.

Absolutely.


That’s what drafting 1st round, mid round at that, are for. Lol, wtf?

 

[TJ]

Agree with everything, @Chopper0080. Not going to get better jettisoning the foundation of what could be a very good defense in a couple of years

 

[Solar7]

Absolutely.


That’s what drafting 1st round, mid round at that, are for. Lol, wtf?

Ideally you don't make a rookie CB your immediate #1. Maybe if you're drafting in the top 10. But next year should be Kyler's prime window for a Super Bowl. You'd prefer we put some untested rookie out there against the NFL's best?

 

[DVontel]

Ideally you don't make a rookie CB your immediate #1. Maybe if you're drafting in the top 10. But next year should be Kyler's prime window for a Super Bowl. You'd prefer we put some untested rookie out there against the NFL's best?

Over a washed up veteran.

Absolutely.

 

[Chopper0080]

Over a washed up veteran.

Absolutely.

I would prefer the declining vet, Byron Murphy, and a top 60 draft pick to go along with Baker is his prime and hopefully a breaking out Jalen Thompson.

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[Zeem_Freeze]

@choppper I agree with your take on the foundation of this defense... we certainly have some holes but I think we're an aggressive piece or two away from a defense with an attitude

 

[Chopper0080]

Over a washed up veteran.

Absolutely.

To this point. I feel it is important to understand that we are extending guys who have areas that makes it a little uncomfortable to give them these extensions.

Patrick Peterson is regressing. Fact until he shows something different. Now, does that mean he is no longer a top 20 CB in the NFL? I believe he still is. Does it feel good paying a 30 year old CB who is not a top 10 CB 13 mil for three more years? Not really, but I feel our roster is not in a place where we can just let him walk. I don't have the confidence in Alford that he won't be a cap cut next offseason and our depth outside of him is non-existent.

Chandler Jones has another year on his deal and is 30. Do I love paying him 20 mil+ until he is 34 or 35? Not really, but we don't have pass rushers outside of him and I think he can move to a rotational role if his body starts to wear down. His game is not based upon speed so that is a little more reassuring.

Budda Baker does not cause turnovers which is a staple of top defensive players. That is frustrating because the rest of his game is pretty dang good. Do I really want to pay 13-14 mil for a guy who is the S equivalent of Ronald McKinnon? It feels gross but Budda Baker is a fundamentals guy and is a focused and hard worker. He is a player who makes up a defense that forces other teams to earn their points. No big plays. No broken tackles. You have to stay on schedule and execute to score which many teams just cant' consistently do.

In the end, if Keim was more successful in his drafting of players over the past three seasons, we probably wouldn't need to make these moves. Reality is, our roster is better over the next three seasons with these players on it vs not.

 

[Lagerfilled]

I would prefer the declining vet, Byron Murphy, and a top 60 draft pick to go along with Baker is his prime and hopefully a breaking out Jalen Thompson.

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IMHO, Jalen Thompson is/will be Budda with better ball skills.


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[BritCard]

I'm really not sure I want to resign Peterson.

He was awful when he came back from suspension last season. He turned it around towards the end a little but still wasn't the old P2. The only game I thought he looked close was the Browns, but then the Browns were really bad that day.

I feel like he's lived off his rep for a couple of years. QB's haven't targeted him based on past rep which has made life easier, and the fact the rest of our D has mostly sucked so there are easier options.

Only 52 targets in 2018 and he allowed 30 catches. Compared to someone like Stephon Gilmore last year. 96 targets and 47 receptions. Or 90 and 42 the year before.

I think teams are starting to switch on because P2 had 58 targets in only 10 games last year. More than the entire previous year, and allowed 39 catches.

The PED's really concern me. To me that suggests he feels lesser. Why else take them?

On saying that $13m is cheap in todays money, as long as there is an out. But I honestly think P2 believes he's a $16m player.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm really not sure I want to resign Peterson.

He was awful when he came back from suspension last season. He turned it around towards the end a little but still wasn't the old P2. The only game I thought he looked close was the Browns, but then the Browns were really bad that day.

I feel like he's lived off his rep for a couple of years. QB's haven't targeted him based on past rep which has made life easier, and the fact the rest of our D has mostly sucked so there are easier options.

Only 52 targets in 2018 and he allowed 30 catches. Compared to someone like Stephon Gilmore last year. 96 targets and 47 receptions. Or 90 and 42 the year before.

I think teams are starting to switch on because P2 had 58 targets in only 10 games last year. More than the entire previous year, and allowed 39 catches.

The PED's really concern me. To me that suggests he feels lesser. Why else take them?

On saying that $13m is cheap in todays money, as long as there is an out. But I honestly think P2 believes he's a $16m player.

You could be correct of his view of himself. Outside of that, I struggle with going into the 2021 season with Byron Murphy and 32 year old Robert Alford as my two starting CBs. Especially because I expect Alford to be cut. The CB FA class next year is trash.

 

[BritCard]

You could be correct of his view of himself. Outside of that, I struggle with going into the 2021 season with Byron Murphy and 32 year old Robert Alford as my two starting CBs. Especially because I expect Alford to be cut. The CB FA class next year is trash.

I agree, I'm just looking at P2 on his merits rather than the wider picture.

Just looking further at him and his worst 2 years have been the seasons he was targeted the most. I wouldn't be surprised to see teams target him this year.

To make matters worse there's no top tier outside corners in FA next year either.

They don't have much choice other than to extend him.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If I am Keim, I am extending these players as of right now.

1 - Budda Baker. 4 year extension adding 50 mil on top of his salary. You would back-load it so the last year is meh. Pays him around 12 mil per year which is steep but adds needed stability over the next 3 years which is very important.

2 - Patrick Peterson. 3 years extension adding 39 mil. 13 per year. This is another one that people will likely hate. However, we can't head into next offseason with Byron Murphy, likely cap-cut Robert Alford, and Peterson being the 3rd or 4th best CB on the market. This is where I will make the argument that Murray is on a cap friendly deal and we need to keep talent around him even if it is overpaid talent.

3 - Chandler Jones. Give him two additional years on top of the 20 mil he is to be paid next year. That takes him to 33.

There are a ton of reasons not to do these deals but in reality, this team needs players who can produce and has yet to show the ability to draft and develop guys. In terms of the cap, it shouldn't be a huge issue. You can structure Budda's to have a lower number next year, Jones is already set to make 20, and Peterson's is the only real add. Probably drops us from 60 mil to 37 mil.

Funny I thought you were referring to these kind of extensions when I first read the title:

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[daves]

Chandler Jones has another year on his deal and is 30. Do I love paying him 20 mil+ until he is 34 or 35? Not really, but we don't have pass rushers outside of him and I think he can move to a rotational role if his body starts to wear down.

I wonder how Joey Bosa's $27M/year extension will affect what Jones would expect from an extension....

...dave

 

[Dr. Jones]

I wonder how Joey Bosa's $27M/year extension will affect what Jones would expect from an extension....

...dave

It will play a role i'm sure. But as Bosa is entering his age 26 year, Chandler will be entering his age 32 year when this contract ends.

His production this and next year will play a role, but so will his age, and the 4 years the NFL has to recoup the losses of this pandemic.

The lowering of the salary cap over the next 4 season could wreak havoc on contracts all over the league.

 

[Chopper0080]

9 mil off isn't too bad of a guess.

 

[BigRedRage]

Word is we are also working on Dhop and pp21.

 

[Chopper0080]

Word is we are also working on Dhop and pp21.

We should be. Draft and develop is when you are paying your franchise QB 30+ mil.

 

[TJ]

Word is we are also working on Dhop and pp21.

Good.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Word is we are also working on Dhop and pp21.

When your within 3 to 4 years of a 300mm contract for your QB, you better get proactive now.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Let's sum this up with a good young QB... beggars cannot be choosers, and you keep the studs you can in relation to availability and the market around him