FA RB James Conner (Steelers) - Signed to Contract 04/13/21

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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No one is arguing that Conner is "so great".

All it takes is one dumb team to over pay a player. Would you pay Drake 8 million a year? I wouldn't pay 5 million.

Agreed. Didn’t understand the drake signing. But you fail to address why no one else was interested in Conner.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Young players get better. Is that such a controversial take?

Conner is better than anything the Chiefs had when they won the Super Bowl and is better than some of the Patriots starters over the years. You guys crack me up. Always finding SOMETHING to whine and cry about, even when the Cardinals make a good signing. Conner will be a cheap, decent contributor.

you keep listing the Chiefs and Pats having bad running backs as proof you can win Super Bowls... without noting that one of those teams has literally the best QB of all time and the other is looking like one of the best QBs of all time.

last time I looked, we (and no other team in the league) can’t make that statement so it’s a specious argument to make, IMO.

those two teams also have the best coach of all time and another HOF Coach. Pretty sure we can’t make that statement either, so I have no idea how what the Pats/Chiefs did applies to us or most other teams moving forward to try and be successful.

that said, I’m not pumped or dumped by this move. It’s okay. Just like our running back room... just okay. But this signing makes it not bad, allows us to grab a RB in the second not first round.

 

[Solar7]

you keep listing the Chiefs and Pats having bad running backs as proof you can win Super Bowls... without noting that one of those teams has literally the best QB of all time and the other is looking like one of the best QBs of all time.

last time I looked, we (and no other team in the league) can’t make that statement so it’s a specious argument to make, IMO.

those two teams also have the best coach of all time and another HOF Coach. Pretty sure we can’t make that statement either, so I have no idea how what the Pats/Chiefs did applies to us or most other teams moving forward to try and be successful.

that said, I’m not pumped or dumped by this move. It’s okay. Just like our running back room... just okay. But this signing makes it not bad, allows us to grab a RB in the second not first round.

How dare you question offensive genius Kliff Kingsbury!

 

[Garthshort]

Agreed. Didn’t understand the drake signing. But you fail to address why no one else was interested in Conner.

It's now a passing league, not a running league. And it's easy to blame SK for everything and as the boss, maybe rightly so, but we seem to be moving in the right direction. I just hope that you weren't one of the posters that didn't want SK to draft KM.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Let's say conor has a drake 1st season not last yr type yr should cards resign him

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That’s a BS analysis...
Teams lit players leave all the time good ones does that mean the all the good players suck because their teams let them go? Gtfoh with that bs logic

You’re right. But desired players who sign for small contracts are typically snatched up quickly, no? So your analysis is kinda BS as well.

 

[mjb21aztd]

How dare you question offensive genius Kliff Kingsbury!

Oh one question kliff how u start with a good rec and fail to make poff with dhop!!! Oh well nvm lol

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's a whatever signing because it's probably cheap, but it's a pain because I just strongly feel we won't invest anything meaningful in an RB in the draft. We'll be sitting here next offseason signing Kyler to a big contract with 0 players at RB besides Eno and some other 6th round special teams player and picking over the scrap heap again. And we won't have TEs. Or WRs. Or CBs.

I'm calling my shot - Cards end the season bottom 10 in rushing production from RBs, team suffers its 6th consecutive non-winning season.

Conner will probably end up starting half of our games or more.

Considering we were 2nd worst in that stat last year it’s not exactly a shocking prediction.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's now a passing league, not a running league. And it's easy to blame SK for everything and as the boss, maybe rightly so, but we seem to be moving in the right direction. I just hope that you weren't one of the posters that didn't want SK to draft KM.

Nope I was on the murray train.

 

[CardNots]

However, IMO the Cards should not use their first round pick on a RB. I feel that is a reach with so many other players available that are rated much higher than a RB. Just my two cents.

I would add this, invest heavily in talent which enables or counters RBs

 

[TJ]

I am going to ask this simple question.

If Conner is so great, why did the Steelers not want to resign him, and why was he still a free agent as of yesterday?

The answer is obvious - he is not a RB teams are excited about, including the team he has been the primary back for 3 years.

If he is comparable to Drake - why did Drake get 8 million a year, and was signed a couple days after free agency started? Anybody that has watched both play knows the answer - Drake is the superior RB.

If one is superior to the other, it’s negligible at best

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[Shane]

You’re right. But desired players who sign for small contracts are typically snatched up quickly, no? So your analysis is kinda BS as well.

Actuallu that depends on circumstances... Considering he was recovering from his toe injury it’s entirely possible he wasn’t available for an actual physical till now. Are we sure it’s a small contract? Have numbers been released... Not being obtuse I haven’t seen numbers yet?

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

Considering we were 2nd worst in that stat last year it’s not exactly a shocking prediction.

production from RBs is a meaningless stat when our QB ran the ball 133 times last year. usually most of those carries go to RBs.

What was our rushing yards pet attempt? 8th
total rushing yards? 7th
is that an efficient and effective running game? resounding YES

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[Cheesebeef]

production from RBs is a meaningless stat when our QB ran the ball 133 times last year. usually most of those carries go to RBs.

What was our rushing yards pet attempt? 8th
total rushing yards? 7th

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This entire post is BS and goes against all rules of the forum. Just talk football instead of attacking people. All Ouchie has done is talk football.

 

[Ronin]

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[Solar7]

production from RBs is a meaningless stat when our QB ran the ball 133 times last year. usually most of those carries go to RBs.

What was our rushing yards pet attempt? 8th
total rushing yards? 7th
is that an efficient and effective running game? resounding YES

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What did our QB running the ball 133 times get us last year? An injury in week 11 that cratered Murray's production, led to three straight losses, and was a big part of why we backslid to a 2-5 record in the back half of the season and failed to make the playoffs. Drake and Edmonds had pitiful production down the stretch and because our team is wholly reliant on a healthy Kyler Murray, we lost.

Total rushing yards don't matter when an off game from your QB simply means you have no pathway to win because your running game and defense can't take any of the slack off.

Also, it's ridiculous to come in here and call someone obnoxious when ever since you've joined you've acted so positive about this non-winning team that you'd think you were Kliff Kingsbury's nephew.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am talking football. I just had to read 3 pages of Ouchie talking about how great the 49ers backfield is when its actually disgusting.

No surprise he had no research behind those posts, like much of his others. Half this forum is bored grown men telling other bored grown men they are idiots. Not sure why calling that out is a trash post. I'm trying to avoid the trash.

and we have mods here telling people their analysis is BS so calm down on the forums rules stuff lol I called a guy borderline obnoxious. I didnt kill anyone

just keep attacking people. Does wonders for the board.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

What did our QB running the ball 133 times get us last year? An injury in week 11 that cratered Murray's production, led to three straight losses, and was a big part of why we backslid to a 2-5 record in the back half of the season and failed to make the playoffs. Drake and Edmonds had pitiful production down the stretch and because our team is wholly reliant on a healthy Kyler Murray, we lost.

Total rushing yards don't matter when an off game from your QB simply means you have no pathway to win because your running game and defense can't take any of the slack off.

Also, it's ridiculous to come in here and call someone obnoxious when ever since you've joined you've acted so positive about this non-winning team that you'd think you were Kliff Kingsbury's nephew.

Murray got injured on a sack, as all QBs are prone to. Cannot ignore that part of reality.

I really dont have a problem with Murray on designed runs. He protects his body well when he knows he's running... almost to the point of frustration for some.

Our run game should be top 10 in yards and efficiency again and I wouldnt be surprised at all if its top 5.

 

[Solar7]

Murray got injured on a sack, as all QBs are prone to. Cannot ignore that part of reality.

I really dont have a problem with Murray on designed runs. He protects his body well when he knows he's running... almost to the point of frustration for some.

Our run game should be top 10 in yards and efficiency again and I wouldnt be surprised at all if its top 5.

And the sack prevented him from running again because he was protecting his body. It doesn't matter where or when he gets hit if it takes a dimension out of his game, a dimension so important we can't make up for it at any other position.

Our run game won't be top anything unless Kyler Murray stays healthy and continues to run like prime Michael Vick, but you just can't count on winning championships with that style. Look at Vick, look at Lamar Jackson... it's just not happening.

 

[juza76]

Our run game won't be top anything unless Kyler Murray stays healthy and continues to run like prime Michael Vick, but you just can't count on winning championships with that style. Look at Vick, look at Lamar Jackson... it's just not happening.

Expect Murray is a better thrower

 

[Hoodhero]

I still remember how team failed to get those 1 to 2 yards @ critical times last season to ice games. Pats game comes to mind. If Connor can get those yards, I'm all good with the signing.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

And the sack prevented him from running again because he was protecting his body. It doesn't matter where or when he gets hit if it takes a dimension out of his game, a dimension so important we can't make up for it at any other position.

Our run game won't be top anything unless Kyler Murray stays healthy and continues to run like prime Michael Vick, but you just can't count on winning championships with that style. Look at Vick, look at Lamar Jackson... it's just not happening.

I would say K1 is clearly a better thrower than Vick and Lamar. We've got a shot.

are you looking for me to say Kylers legs are hindering the team because we should be solely relying on RBs for running production? I cant go there, I dont live in 1985.

 

[Solar7]

Expect Murray is a better thrower

From the eye test, I would tend to agree, but their completion percentages are extremely close. It still doesn't change that Murray should not be an excuse for poor RBs.

 

[Shane]

From the eye test, I would tend to agree, but their completion percentages are extremely close. It still doesn't change that Murray should not be an excuse for poor RBs.

The only concern with Conner is health. You calling him poor over and over doesn’t make it so and the stats show otherwise.