Favorite ex-Sun in the playoffs

[BC867]

Actually he played 21 minutes on opening night of his rookie season. It was hit and miss after that but it was clear they always intended to give him minutes. Because of injuries it went from hit and miss to every game but I'd say "planning" was very much a part of his development.

I don't follow, Steve. After referring to 'he played 21 minutes on opening night', the next references were to 'hit and miss' and 'always intended'.

It still sounds like Book's progress was not proactive, but a reaction to injury. In other words, Suns management wasn't willing to give him a chance until they had no choice.

One might say that is typical of a neophyte (and bargain) GM and Head Coach afraid to take a chance as they try to build their reputations.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't follow, Steve. After referring to 'he played 21 minutes on opening night', the next references were to 'hit and miss' and 'always intended'.

It still sounds like Book's progress was not proactive, but a reaction to injury. In other words, Suns management wasn't willing to give him a chance until they had no choice.

One might say that is typical of a neophyte (and bargain) GM and Head Coach afraid to take a chance as they try to build their reputations.

No, my point was that they always intended to bring him along quicker than our recent rookies. Yes, fortune (misfortune) accelerated that pace but that's often the way it goes in pro sports.

From conversations prior to the start of the season and throughout that first year, it's clear they realized Booker was more ready for OJT than some of our other young players. And I think he would have been the likely starter this season regardless of injuries the season before although that's obviously speculation on my part.

 

[AZCrazy]

Neal Walk and Armon Gilliam.

Remember both those picks. Scrood out of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and David Robinson.

They had better not pick below 3rd this year. We've been dropped from our rightful position ever year it seems.

 

[Bodha]

How can the "I drafted Booker" cow be out of milk but the "traded IT and Dragic" cows keep producing more?

We're drafting #2 because they went full tank mode for the first time in franchise history, with serious dedication. I think we could have finished with between 30-35 wins if we didn't shut down Chandler and Bledsoe for the remainder of the season to concentrate on drafting as high as possible.

I don't think drafting Booker really meant much until this season when Booker was put in position to succeed and basically given the keys to the franchise. He put up 70 points at the end of March. We would not have been able to draft him had we kept IT and Dragic and it's highly unlikely we would have taken him if we held onto one of them with Bledsoe still here.

Booker was luck. We took him #13. Meaning 12 teams took somebody else.

If Mcdonough had traded up to #9 or #10, and took Booker, everybody wouldve been like what the heck? And Ryan would look like a genius now.

But thats not the case. We had to take somebody, so he took Booker without any knowledge whatsoever of his future. And as said above, Booker wasnt even ordained a starter. The fact Booker has flourished is of no responsibility of Ryan. Ryan get NO credit whatsoever.

 

[pokerface]

Booker was luck. We took him #13. Meaning 12 teams took somebody else.

If Mcdonough had traded up to #9 or #10, and took Booker, everybody wouldve been like what the heck? And Ryan would look like a genius now.

But thats not the case. We had to take somebody, so he took Booker without any knowledge whatsoever of his future. And as said above, Booker wasnt even ordained a starter. The fact Booker has flourished is of no responsibility of Ryan. Ryan get NO credit whatsoever.

How could he get NO credit? He could have picked someone else! I get the fact no one knew Booker would be this good...yeah that I get.

 

[Mainstreet]

Booker was luck. We took him #13. Meaning 12 teams took somebody else.

If Mcdonough had traded up to #9 or #10, and took Booker, everybody wouldve been like what the heck? And Ryan would look like a genius now.

But thats not the case. We had to take somebody, so he took Booker without any knowledge whatsoever of his future. And as said above, Booker wasnt even ordained a starter. The fact Booker has flourished is of no responsibility of Ryan. Ryan get NO credit whatsoever.

McDonough had everything to do with drafting Booker. Obviously he is the GM. He gets credit for good picks and bad picks alike. You give no credit for him recognizing the talent. Good players are drafted later in the draft all the time.

 

[Bodha]

McDonough had everything to do with drafting Booker. Obviously he is the GM. He gets credit for good picks and bad picks alike. You give no credit for him recognizing the talent. Good players are drafted later in the draft all the time.

You really just say "recognizing talent"?

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[Mainstreet]

You really just say "recognizing talent"?

Obviously you never knew how much I liked IT.

I had questions whether he could be a starter in the NBA but few didn't.

The Suns stole him from the Kings.

McDonough needs to get some credit for this since he gets all the heat for trading him for a first round pick in the Dragic saga.

 

[pokerface]

Obviously you never knew how much I liked IT.

I had questions whether he could be a starter in the NBA but few didn't.

The Suns stole him from the Kings.

If we would have dealt Bledsoe or Dragic instead of Thomas fans would have locked McD in a rubber room somewhere...and threw away the key!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Isiah Thomas

every point he scores is a nail in Mdonoughs coffin

Are you really bringing this across multiple threads? Knock it off

 

[Mainstreet]

If we would have dealt Bledsoe or Dragic instead of Thomas fans would have locked McD in a rubber room somewhere...and threw away the key!

Exactly.

There is history to the Suns acquisition and trade of IT. It does not stand alone in a vacuum. IT was traded to appease Dragic and then Dragic wanted out anyway.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

There is a GM discussion thread. Please take it to there.

 

[Bodha]

McDonough needs to get some credit for this since he gets all the heat for trading him for a first round pick in the Dragic saga.

BRILLIANT move. Get rid of stars for picks who you hope are stars

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[Bodha]

Are you really bringing this across multiple threads? Knock it off

Isiah Thomas is my favorite ex sun.

My reasons can be whatever I say they are.

 

[pokerface]

Exactly.

There is history to the Suns acquisition and trade of IT. It does not stand alone in a vacuum. IT was traded to appease Dragic and then Dragic wanted out anyway.

That's exactly right...on all counts. McD was being arm twisted on some levels to pull the trigger on Thomas. Not giving McDonough a total pass but I do understand his mindset somewhat.

 

[Mainstreet]

BRILLIANT move. Get rid of stars for picks who you hope are stars

I bet you had IT pegged for an All-Star when he played for the Kings.

With the Suns, I bet you thought he was an All-Star as well.

When he was first traded to the Celtics, the same.

Yeah right.

Also I'm thinking I realized IT was a talent long before you got a sniff.

 

[Bodha]

I bet you had IT pegged for an All-Star when he played for the Kings.

With the Suns, I bet you thought he was an All-Star as well.

When he was first traded to the Celtics, the same.

Yeah right.

Also I'm thinking I realized IT was a talent long before you got a sniff.

100% I saw IT as a star on the Suns. Who didnt? (Dummy Dcdonough, thats who)

He was a 20 ppg guy for SAC when he got over 30 minutes, and he was a 15 ppg guy here off the bench. Everytime he saw starter minutes the guy went off for over 20.

Mcdonoughs greatest flaw is his failure to have a plan. At least the 76ers have a process. Mcdonough is just trying stuff at random with no long term foresight.

 

[pokerface]

100% I saw IT as a star on the Suns. Who didnt? (Dummy Dcdonough, thats who)

He was a 20 ppg guy for SAC when he got over 30 minutes, and he was a 15 ppg guy here off the bench. Everytime he saw starter minutes the guy went off for over 20.

Mcdonoughs greatest flaw is his failure to have a plan. At least the 76ers have a process. Mcdonough is just trying stuff at random with no long term foresight.

Yeah but what are you saying? You would have traded Bled or Dragic instead? You would have forced the three PG circus show to continue? You would have allowed a locker room cancer to grow?

They all couldn't be starters.. someone was going to have hurt feelings and complain about it. Our problem was we had too many quality pgs and the pecking order became blurred...at least in Isiahs mind. He wanted to start no matter what.

Don't hate McD...hate the situation.

 

[Bodha]

Yeah but what are you saying? You would have traded Bled or Dragic instead? You would have forced the three PG circus show to continue? You would have allowed a locker room cancer to grow?

They all couldn't be starters.. someone was going to have hurt feelings and complain about it. Our problem was we had too many quality pgs and the pecking order became blurred...at least in Isiahs mind. He wanted to start no matter what.

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(I wouldve got rid of Bledsoe. Shouldve been Dragic+IT. Ive said it since day 1)

and why did the circus exist in the first place???

Because Mcdonough sucks and he has no strategic planning abilities.

Don't hate McD...hate the situation

That he created

 

[Mainstreet]

100% I saw IT as a star on the Suns. Who didnt? (Dummy Dcdonough, thats who)

He was a 20 ppg guy for SAC when he got over 30 minutes, and he was a 15 ppg guy here off the bench. Everytime he saw starter minutes the guy went off for over 20.

Mcdonoughs greatest flaw is his failure to have a plan. At least the 76ers have a process. Mcdonough is just trying stuff at random with no long term foresight.

You might want to become a 76ers fan if you like their approach.

 

[Bodha]

You might want to become a 76ers fan if you like their approach.

Big talk considering we are picking #2. As a suns fan, you have no room to look down on anybody.

 

[Bert]

PJ Tucker. Was fun watching him piss Lebaby off, plus watching him play makes me crave Filibertos.

 

[Mainstreet]

Big talk considering we are picking #2. As a suns fan, you have no room to look down on anybody.

And you said McDonough didn't have a plan. Here is your quote:

Mcdonoughs greatest flaw is his failure to have a plan. At least the 76ers have a process. Mcdonough is just trying stuff at random with no long term foresight.

I guess you are wrong since the Suns drafted well the last draft and look to do so this draft.

And did I mention Warren and Booker? Right, and you say the Suns do not have a plan.

 

[Bodha]

And you said McDonough didn't have a plan. Here is your quote:



I guess you are wrong since the Suns drafted well the last draft and look to do so this draft.

And did I mention Warren and Booker? Right, and you say the Suns do not have a plan.

If his plan is to be the losing-est GM in Suns history, hes doing a great job.


Do you guys even realize what youre defending? This moron has brought this proud organization to never before seen depths.

 

[Mainstreet]

PJ Tucker. Was fun watching him piss Lebaby off, plus watching him play makes me crave Filibertos.

I missed Tucker pissing off Lebron. I'm wondering if he stays with the Raptors.

Nothing like Filibertos with a woman on you lap.