Feeling Cornered

[Krangodnzr]

Pass Rushers over CBs every day. I personally prefer interior pass rushers to Edge Rushers. I felt teams/QBs nowadays deal with edge pressure much better than interior pressure. A disruptive DT can be way more intimidating and do much more damage than an explosive DE/OLB.

Easier said than done though.

A guy who can consistently disrupt from the interior is worth his weight in gold.

 

[Krangodnzr]

49ers are in the championship game with a bunch of nobodies at CB. Rams have Jalen Ramsey then some guys. Bengals are in the AFCCG with Eli Apple and Awuzie at CB.

Hell even the Chiefs with Ward, Sneed and Hughes aren't a stellar group.

The days of WR1 lined up vs CB1 are gone. Teams are spreading the ball around. You no longer need a star CB, you need a bunch of decent guys. And the league has adjusted to that.

The average spend on the CB room last season across the league was $12.6m over 6 players.

Wilson, Murphy, Alford, Hamilton and someone like Bryce Callaghan or Xavier Rhodes would be a good group. The FA market is pretty stacked with quality roster depth this offseason and the market is depressed.

Someone like Casey Hayward (who I said we should sign last season but was told was cooked and then had a great year) would be a good addition.

What our backfield lacked last year was vet experience when Alford was out. I'm not really keen to add another 21 year old to an already young defense.

I'd like to add a similar prospect to Marco Wilson and add a veteran CB.

Bringing back Alford is just begging for a FOURTH season ending injury.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Which is why we should go EDGE over CB with our first pick & build a foundation from there.

No argument from me. I’ve stated repeatedly I’m on board for edge, WR, or olineman with our first in no order.

 

[BritCard]

I'd like to add a similar prospect to Marco Wilson and add a veteran CB.

Bringing back Alford is just begging for a FOURTH season ending injury.

If he's your 4th CB and playing 20 snaps a game, maybe coming in later in the season to cover for banged up players I don;t think the risk if that great. But for vet min it's worth the risk. Lots of value at vet min.

 

[Stout]

If he's your 4th CB and playing 20 snaps a game, maybe coming in later in the season to cover for banged up players I don;t think the risk if that great. But for vet min it's worth the risk. Lots of value at vet min.

He's not going to be the 4th CB and play a bunch of special teams, though, will he? Has to be able to do that so low on the CB depth chart.

 

[JeffGollin]

We need to be two deep (or better) in qualitpy CB1's and CB2's. You can never have too many quality corners.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

We need to be two deep (or better) in qualitpy CB1's and CB2's. You can never have too many quality corners.

what is frustrating about this is Byron murphy and marco wilson ( based on where they were drafted ) should be our #1 and #2 for years.

 

[CardLogic]

Good write up even though it was hard to get past Stingley being better than an 8 time pro bowler, 3 time first team all-pro, and likely HOF'er on his best day.

On the other hand, it doesn't take much to be better than PP on his best day, NOW! It has literally been years since that "likely HOF'er" played like one!
And I say this having loved seeing PP at his best; even then however he didn't come close to Aeneas' best!

 

[Russ Smith]

Do we need to trade up to get the Edge guy or can we get him where we are picking? My suspicion is we might have to trade up. Not saying we shouldn't, I think we have the same issue if we go WR or CB, I think we're picking too late to guarantee any of those 3 spots getting good value, especially with Keim picking.

 

[reebokalone2001]

Easier said than done though.

A guy who can consistently disrupt from the interior is worth his weight in gold.

And that's why I still believe Nkemdichi's pick makes sense, just poor talent (mental and work ethic in his case) evaluation, and bad luck.

 

[oaken1]

Which is why we should go EDGE over CB with our first pick & build a foundation from there.

I agree we need to address the defensive front in a big way...and we need chans replacement almost desparately.
but there is only....three guys?? in this draft....and they will all be gone before 20...as much as folks hate it...our best value chance in the first round....maybe WR2.
I mean, im the crazy guy....I would draft a center in round one... but there aint a round 1 center in this draft..... folks are hyping the iowa kid but he is too small and limited by what blocking schemes he can play...Lyle Seindlein 2.0
value wise, for edge...our best bet is probably with our 2nd round pick.

be nice if Vance gets that miami job so we get a free third. but as it sits right now I am thinking

1. WR2
2. Edge
3. Center/guard
3. Runningback
4. DE/CB

 

[BritCard]

I agree we need to address the defensive front in a big way...and we need chans replacement almost desparately.
but there is only....three guys?? in this draft....and they will all be gone before 20...as much as folks hate it...our best value chance in the first round....maybe WR2.
I mean, im the crazy guy....I would draft a center in round one... but there aint a round 1 center in this draft..... folks are hyping the iowa kid but he is too small and limited by what blocking schemes he can play...Lyle Seindlein 2.0
value wise, for edge...our best bet is probably with our 2nd round pick.

be nice if Vance gets that miami job so we get a free third. but as it sits right now I am thinking

1. WR2
2. Edge
3. Center/guard
3. Runningback
4. DE/CB

I don't think you can take WR high in a class so deep. There will be guys going late round 2 and early round 3 barely any drop off from guys in the top 20.

 

[oaken1]

I don't think you can take WR high in a class so deep. There will be guys going late round 2 and early round 3 barely any drop off from guys in the top 20.

yeah well...25 or wherever it is we pick... that aint high. for this draft,...corner and wr... thats where the value is in the late first. this season proved without a doubt that our offensive system cant work without an absolute badass at WR... and we cant be dependent on DHop forever,...so we need another... we need a Jamarr Chase

 

[BritCard]

yeah well...25 or wherever it is we pick... that aint high. for this draft,...corner and wr... thats where the value is in the late first. this season proved without a doubt that our offensive system cant work without an absolute badass at WR... and we cant be dependent on DHop forever,...so we need another... we need a Jamarr Chase

We can take WR in the 2nd if needed.

We pick at #23. The average WR's taken before pick #23 in round 2 the last 5 years is 6.6. It's only been over 7 once.

This class is stacked.

Wilson, Williams, London, Olave and Burks are almost certainly gone. But still bunch will be available from Skyy Moore, Metchie, Dotson, Pickens, Bell, Ross etc.

I like Justyn Ross personally.

 

[DVontel]

We can take WR in the 2nd if needed.

We pick at #23. The average WR's taken before pick #23 in round 2 the last 5 years is 6.6. It's only been over 7 once.

This class is stacked.

Wilson, Williams, London, Olave and Burks are almost certainly gone. But still bunch will be available from Skyy Moore, Metchie, Dotson, Pickens, Bell, Ross etc.

I’m pretty sure Pickens, Dotson, or Bell won’t make it to our 2nd.

The others are WR3s at best.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

We can take WR in the 2nd if needed.

We pick at #23. The average WR's taken before pick #23 in round 2 the last 5 years is 6.6. It's only been over 7 once.

This class is stacked.

Wilson, Williams, London, Olave and Burks are almost certainly gone. But still bunch will be available from Skyy Moore, Metchie, Dotson, Pickens, Bell, Ross etc.

I like Justyn Ross personally.

Good info to know at least man, thanks.

 

[oaken1]

We can take WR in the 2nd if needed.

We pick at #23. The average WR's taken before pick #23 in round 2 the last 5 years is 6.6. It's only been over 7 once.

This class is stacked.

Wilson, Williams, London, Olave and Burks are almost certainly gone. But still bunch will be available from Skyy Moore, Metchie, Dotson, Pickens, Bell, Ross etc.

I like Justyn Ross personally.

there are lots of guys. but with there only being one QB at the moment,... about three edge, a couple OT's.... the entire depth of quality in this draft is at WR and CB... the problem with CB is the same as last year... the dudes who would go late first or early second all have injury issues... that leaves WR as the place to find value.
I mean.... we can reach for an edge guy that should be picked around 40... it aint a huge reach. I just think we will get better value at edge with our second pick.

 

[BritCard]

I’m pretty sure Pickens, Dotson, or Bell won’t make it to our 2nd.

The others are WR3s at best.

Everyone always says "X, Y and Z won;t make it to X spot" they said the same thing about DK Metcalf. All teams have their needs but the last couple of classes have been deep at WR too and a lot of teams have already drafted high pick WRs. They have other needs they need to take care of.

I disagree guys like Justyn Ross are WR3's. He was the #15 player in his recruiting class. As a Freshman he had 1000 yards and 9 TDs at 21.7 average. He missed all 2020 with an injury but he's very talented and guys like Skyy Moore are going to be great NFL receivers.

 

[DVontel]

Everyone always says "X, Y and Z won;t make it to X spot" they said the same thing about DK Metcalf.

No they don’t. Also, no they didn’t. A lot of people expected DK to fall due to his previous neck injury + 3 cone time.

I disagree guys like Justyn Ross are WR3's. He was the #15 player in his recruiting class.

Ah okay, something that happened 5-6 years ago. It’s not like his production or traits have gotten worse or anything.




We should definitely wait until Day 2 to draft a WR, especially with Steve Keim’s track record & all.

 

[BritCard]

No they don’t. Also, no they didn’t. A lot of people expected DK to fall due to his previous neck injury + 3 cone time.



Ah okay, something that happened 5-6 years ago. It’s not like his production or traits have gotten worse or anything.




We should definitely wait until Day 2 to draft a WR, especially with Steve Keim’s track record & all.

Sorry you're right, only the top 4 players at WR are ever any good...

 

[MadCardDisease]

I really like Gordon and I think he will be there when the Cardinals pick.

 

[DVontel]

Sorry you're right, only the top 4 players at WR are ever any good...

I thought YOU of all people would learn the most after being so anti-1st round WR in 2020, especially under this regime.

I guess not.

 

[BritCard]

I thought YOU of all people would learn the most after being so anti-1st round WR in 2020, especially under this regime.

I guess not.

Learn what? I'm always anti 1st round every position that's deep. Which is often WR's and RB's.

Your 1st round picks should be spent on players that cost the most to pay and are in the shortest supply. Tackles, QB's, Edge rushers, Cornerbacks (not this year as it's deep but most years).

Personally if I was GM I might not ever draft anything but those 4 positions unless I was stacked and then I would move on to others.

 

[Chopper0080]

Stingley going to go lower than people think. His tape the past two years has been average at best.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Stingley going to go lower than people think. His tape the past two years has been average at best.

Here's a mock that has us trading up to #10 to get Stingley!

2022 NFL Mock Draft: Trades Shake Up The First Round

With the College Football season over and the NFL Playoffs underway, let's take a look at the latest first-round 2022 NFL Mock Draft. View the breakdown of each team's picks and their scouting reports.

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