Final Jeopardy

[Dr. Jones]

I'm guessing we are 90% Murray at this point.

His PFF chart is a thing of beauty.

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[ARZCardinals]

Finally a debate on who to pick

joking

everyone is saying the same thing over and over

 

[ARZCardinals]

I'm guessing we are 90% Murray at this point.

His PFF chart is a thing of beauty.

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I've seen PFF for years and NEVER on any player seen it look that good...not even close

and that's not looking at how he compares to the average in the draft class. Those of you who haven't seen PFF - go look at your favorite players and see if they grade anywhere close to this ...and you'll see ...nope Murray is head and shoulders above (pun intended)

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've seen PFF for years and NEVER on any player seen it look that good...not even close

and that's not looking at how he compares to the average in the draft class. Those of you who haven't seen PFF - go look at your favorite players and see if they grade anywhere close to this ...and you'll see ...nope Murray is head and shoulders above (pun intended)

The grey line denotes the avg. draft grade of his 2019 QB classmates.

Truly a dominating look at how good he was. 13 starts or not..... totally dominating.

 

[ARZCardinals]

The grey line denotes the avg. draft grade of his 2019 QB classmates.

Truly a dominating look at how good he was. 13 starts or not..... totally dominating.

agreed

 

[BW52]

The grey line denotes the avg. draft grade of his 2019 QB classmates.

Truly a dominating look at how good he was. 13 starts or not..... totally dominating.

If Murray is so freaking great and dominating then how come there have been very few rumors about teams wanting to move up and draft him? After all someone who is so "dominant and dynamic and transcendent" should have teams lining up to trade up for him.Where`s all the smoke about that?
After this is superduperstar Qb we all talking about...…….

 

[Dr. Jones]

If Murray is so freaking great and dominating then how come there have been very few rumors about teams wanting to move up and draft him? After all someone who is so "dominant and dynamic and transcendent" should have teams lining up to trade up for him.Where`s all the smoke about that?
After this is superduperstar Qb we all talking about...…….

Loose lips sink ships.

Draft day is going to be bonkers. And I wouldn't put it past the NFL to tell everyone to go dark until it starts as a way to capitalize on the ratings. Aren't they going primetime this year on ABC or something?

 

[BW52]

Loose lips sink ships.

Draft day is going to be bonkers. And I wouldn't put it past the NFL to tell everyone to go dark until it starts as a way to capitalize on the ratings. Aren't they going primetime this year on ABC or something?

It will be a zoo.I would think the NFl would want the speculation to increase because more fans would tune in to see what could happen.A lot of fans think Murray to AZ is a forgone conclusion.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

YOU ARE WRONG!!!! it should read NICK FREAKING BOSA!

Sorry. You are 100% correct, I apologize.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Finally a debate on who to pick

joking

everyone is saying the same thing over and over

I will put in something new. I wanted Lamar Jackson last year, never wavered thus I like that the Murray supporters have stuck to the horse they are betting on.

 

[BW52]

I will put in something new. I wanted Lamar Jackson last year, never wavered thus I like that the Murray supporters have stuck to the horse they are betting on.

Lamar Jackson did okay his rookie season for several reasons....Raven eased him into starting with gametime every week .Ravens had a good defense and used jacksons strengths to succeed.He do go 6-1 as a starter.Lost the playoff game...he had terrible 1st half.Rallied 2nd half .Sacked and fumbled last series driving down field.Was sacked 7 times in game and under pressure most game.Point is that with Jacksons running ability the opponent schemed effectively to mostly negate his mobility.Shows that no matter who the Qb is that there can be defenses schemed to negate strong points.Jackson was forced to stay in a crumbling pocket and it worked for a while.Murray will have to contend with the same in the NFL.

 

[slanidrac16]

Lamar Jackson did okay his rookie season for several reasons....Raven eased him into starting with gametime every week .Ravens had a good defense and used jacksons strengths to succeed.He do go 6-1 as a starter.Lost the playoff game...he had terrible 1st half.Rallied 2nd half .Sacked and fumbled last series driving down field.Was sacked 7 times in game and under pressure most game.Point is that with Jacksons running ability the opponent schemed effectively to mostly negate his mobility.Shows that no matter who the Qb is that there can be defenses schemed to negate strong points.Jackson was forced to stay in a crumbling pocket and it worked for a while.Murray will have to contend with the same in the NFL.

Except Murray is a bit more accurate passer.

 

[TheCardFan]

Rosen's PFF Spider chart:

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[TheCardFan]

Mayfield

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[TheCardFan]

Mason Rudolph FWIW

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[TheCardFan]

Lamar Jackson

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[TheCardFan]

Josh Allen

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[Vacard]

If Murray is so freaking great and dominating then how come there have been very few rumors about teams wanting to move up and draft him? After all someone who is so "dominant and dynamic and transcendent" should have teams lining up to trade up for him.Where`s all the smoke about that?
After this is superduperstar Qb we all talking about...…….

I don’t remember about hearing any rumors about KC looking to trade up. That came out of no where. Everyone thought they were set on Smith.

The Browns came out of no where and snagged Baker number 1 overall. The Bills jumped up and snagged Allen. I just don’t want to hear the inevitable meltdown if Murray is drafted. I’ll be dissappointed if we don’t draft Murray but at the end of the day I’ll say that Bosa/Williams will make the defense great. And Rosen is the man for the future.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lamar Jackson did okay his rookie season for several reasons....Raven eased him into starting with gametime every week .Ravens had a good defense and used jacksons strengths to succeed.He do go 6-1 as a starter.Lost the playoff game...he had terrible 1st half.Rallied 2nd half .Sacked and fumbled last series driving down field.Was sacked 7 times in game and under pressure most game.Point is that with Jacksons running ability the opponent schemed effectively to mostly negate his mobility.Shows that no matter who the Qb is that there can be defenses schemed to negate strong points.Jackson was forced to stay in a crumbling pocket and it worked for a while.Murray will have to contend with the same in the NFL.

Murray is significantly better as a passer compared with Jackson. Stats and eyeballs support than notion. I sometimes think I need to refer the Prosens to an optometrist or enroll Prosens in a local school for the blind. Do you watch football games in braille? (just kidding)

The best way to defend Murray will be to contain blitz him and run zones. The problem with this defense is that if he breaks free, he is going to complete big passes down field or the front seven will be stuck out of position to stop him from running.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don’t remember about hearing any rumors about KC looking to trade up. That came out of no where. Everyone thought they were set on Smith.

The Browns came out of no where and snagged Baker number 1 overall. The Bills jumped up and snagged Allen. I just don’t want to hear the inevitable meltdown if Murray is drafted. I’ll be dissappointed if we don’t draft Murray but at the end of the day I’ll say that Bosa/Williams will make the defense great. And Rosen is the man for the future.

Was going to say that. I remember posters on this board saying the Cardinals would be stupid to draft Mahomes with their 1st round pick. There was literally no chatter that the Chiefs were going to take him. Why would they? They had Alex Smith! Why would the Cardinals take Murray? They have Josh Rosen!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I'm guessing we are 90% Murray at this point.

His PFF chart is a thing of beauty.

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Please God. Just this one thing man.. and then I promise I'll be a good person from now on..

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Josh Allen

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Thanks for all the charts sir. Very, very interesting.

Also, lol at Josh Allen.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Please God. Just this one thing man.. and then I promise I'll be a good person from now on..

Murray is leet.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Stats and eyeballs support than notion.

Don't be bringin yer fancy foosball stats into dis here forum BobbytheBrain! Stats is the Devil!!!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm guessing we are 90% Murray at this point.

His PFF chart is a thing of beauty.

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This chart is clearly flawed. Murray's "Short Grade" should be well below average!