Finally - Something to talk about!

[Cheesebeef]

First of all - David Barrett - don't let the door hit your stupid slow ass on the way out - and thank you for being the second rate corner you are - without you we wouldn't have a shot at Eli.

But more importantly - thank you to Josh McCown - the man who actually will breathe life back into this board for one more week before the offseason. McCown actually gives us SOMETHING to talk about again - decent performance from the kid - liked the wheels, arm-strength, bounce-back ability - but in no way is my mind changed as far as drafting a QB for the future and losing out - and anyone who CAN say after one game that Josh is the absoulte answer to gamble on and ignore all other options is . . . well . . . Tango.

But bring on next week and all my money on the Hags - I mean, let's see what we have after all - The Cards play a tough home game and go on the road against a team that has lost two straight and desperately needs a win - what happens - can you say 30 point blowout? As long as the spread's lower than 15 - I'm betting the house - told you to wait swd1974 - follow the Cheese's advice - it'll work out for you more often than not.

By the way - get all your Josh is the future talk out this week - because after next week's pasting - the only thing we'll be talking about is how to sabotage the Raiders for their final game against San Diego.

Season's almost over folks and you know what that means - the best part of being a Cardinal fan is coming up - THE OFFSEASON! Millions to spend - a new head coach - the number one pick - and one man with the power to destroy it all (insert explosions here) - ROD GRAVES 2: THE RECKONING - COMING SOON! BRING IT ON!

 

[Tangodnzr]

Uncle Cheesy's Wide World of Whacko will continue....right after these messages.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Great post, I'm just waiting for the homo erotic post about McCown, I hope he dances while writing the next one, because dancing is Masculine

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by DevonCardsFan
Great post, I'm just waiting for the homo erotic post about McCown, I hope he dances while writing the next one, because dancing is Masculine

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
First of all - David Barrett - don't let the door hit your stupid slow ass on the way out - and thank you for being the second rate corner you are - without you we wouldn't have a shot at Eli.

But more importantly - thank you to Josh McCown - the man who actually will breathe life back into this board for one more week before the offseason. McCown actually gives us SOMETHING to talk about again - decent performance from the kid - liked the wheels, arm-strength, bounce-back ability - but in no way is my mind changed as far as drafting a QB for the future and losing out - and anyone who CAN say after one game that Josh is the absoulte answer to gamble on and ignore all other options is . . . well . . . Tango.

But bring on next week and all my money on the Hags - I mean, let's see what we have after all - The Cards play a tough home game and go on the road against a team that has lost two straight and desperately needs a win - what happens - can you say 30 point blowout? As long as the spread's lower than 15 - I'm betting the house - told you to wait swd1974 - follow the Cheese's advice - it'll work out for you more often than not.

By the way - get all your Josh is the future talk out this week - because after next week's pasting - the only thing we'll be talking about is how to sabotage the Raiders for their final game against San Diego.

Season's almost over folks and you know what that means - the best part of being a Cardinal fan is coming up - THE OFFSEASON! Millions to spend - a new head coach - the number one pick - and one man with the power to destroy it all (insert explosions here) - ROD GRAVES 2: THE RECKONING - COMING SOON! BRING IT ON!

Cheese -

After all is said and done next week in Seattle, you may very well be right. However, I do think the kid did better than just "decent". Aside from keeping his wits about him, he had several dropped balls which if caught would have giving him significantly better numbers. Even Boldin dropped a couple he should have had. I think Josh is better that many are giving him credit for. Carolina has a very good defense (even minus Rucker) and they were coming at Josh. He wasn't rattled. That's huge IMO. And how one not take notice of the kid's speed? His ball has zip, and yesterday it also had accuracy.

What if Josh plays at least as well in Seattle?

I do agree with you, however, that the OFFSEASON is the best time of year to be a Cards fan. And this offseason in particular.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
First of all - David Barrett - don't let the door hit your stupid slow ass on the way out - and thank you for being the second rate corner you are - without you we wouldn't have a shot at Eli.

As long as the spread's lower than 15 - I'm betting the house - told you to wait swd1974

>>The Cardinals blitzed six of the eight plays, but couldn't get to quarterback Jake Delhomme. Five of his six passes went to receiver Steve Smith, who caught four of them on cornerback David Barrett.

Barrett declined comment after the game.<<

David Barrett is an ass of a player and I cannot wait for him to be gone.

Hey cheese. Yeah I wish I would have waited! But I figured if I lost Id go double or nothing the next game. Ill be betting big on minnesota thew following week if they dont bench culpepper and moss.

 

[HookemCards]

It will be impossible to see if he plays as well as Seattle, because more than anything else, the OL blows on the road. He's going to have big, ugly guys in his face all day. I'm not really sure what to think at this point, would be nice if we'd have fired Mac after the Cleveland game and brought in Coughlin or anyone else who can get this team to play with some damn consistency. I'd love to have the opportunity to fill one of the other enormous holes in the team in the draft, but at this point it looks like we should take Manning or Rothlisburger. Maybe him playing well allows us to trade back a bit for more picks and take Big Ben at say 4 or 5.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by red desert
Cheese -

After all is said and done next week in Seattle, you may very well be right. However, I do think the kid did better than just "decent". Aside from keeping his wits about him, he had several dropped balls which if caught would have giving him significantly better numbers. Even Boldin dropped a couple he should have had. I think Josh is better that many are giving him credit for. Carolina has a very good defense (even minus Rucker) and they were coming at Josh. He wasn't rattled. That's huge IMO. And how one not take notice of the kid's speed? His ball has zip, and yesterday it also had accuracy.

What if Josh plays at least as well in Seattle?

I do agree with you, however, that the OFFSEASON is the best time of year to be a Cards fan. And this offseason in particular.

Hey - I'm not one who's mind is ever set in stone - I've laid off Graves since the extensions - even praised him, I actually do now think that Quan is a God (took my a little while - that kid's energy, toughness and love for the game is unbelievable) and I even gave Mac a little breathing room when we looked like a football team for two weeks during the middle of the season - so if Josh does play well in Seattle - my mind will keep changing in regards to him. Saying he played "decent" isn't a slant or dig at him - I liked some of the stuff I saw from the kid - but let's not ignore how he looked earlier in the year against Seattle - or his TD that he gave up yesterday - or the safety two weeks ago - I just want people to be cautious with this kid - and having seen him compared to McNair and Elway already was something I wasn't prepared for - thing is you can NEVER have too many good QBs on a team - and Josh has yet to show he's one of them.

I'm just psyched because Josh in the game actually means there's some interest for me again - now we actually see what could be part of our future - you don't know how sick it made me earlier in the season with Blake AND Emmitt as our backfield - two guys who weren't helping us win and had zero part of the future.

 

[AZCB34]

Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Hey - I'm not one who's mind is ever set in stone - I've laid off Graves since the extensions - even praised him, I actually do now think that Quan is a God (took my a little while - that kid's energy, toughness and love for the game is unbelievable) and I even gave Mac a little breathing room when we looked like a football team for two weeks during the middle of the season - so if Josh does play well in Seattle - my mind will keep changing in regards to him. Saying he played "decent" isn't a slant or dig at him - I liked some of the stuff I saw from the kid - but let's not ignore how he looked earlier in the year against Seattle - or his TD that he gave up yesterday - or the safety two weeks ago - I just want people to be cautious with this kid - and having seen him compared to McNair and Elway already was something I wasn't prepared for - thing is you can NEVER have too many good QBs on a team - and Josh has yet to show he's one of them.

I'm just psyched because Josh in the game actually means there's some interest for me again - now we actually see what could be part of our future - you don't know how sick it made me earlier in the season with Blake AND Emmitt as our backfield - two guys who weren't helping us win and had zero part of the future.

As one the biggest McCown backers around, I was pleased with his outing. I admit my confidence in him had taken a real shot but I think there was a very clear difference between McCown in the mop-up role and McCown in the starter role. The big question moving forward is, does he take the next step in maturing as a QB from yesterday to this weekend. SEA is playing for something still and so they will be fired up...and at home. If McCown plays better and if the Cards (gasp) win on the road, I just wonder what it exactly is that the Cards have in McCown.

Pete Kendall was on the radio this morning and really seemed to be impressed with how McCown played...and he even mentioned Josh was seeming to mature as the game went. That, to me, is a very good sign.

In a perfect world McCown would allow Graves to use that first rounder on another gaping hole on the roster but I think that decision has already been made. Too bad. For all anyone knows, the Cards may already have a "franchise" QB on the roster.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I have a question here.....

A lot of people keep talking about....."Wait 'till next week in Seattle when the game 'really' counts" against that defense that they somehow seem to imply is better than Carolina's.

HUH????

This was a meaningless game for the Panthers? They aren't in the midst of a playoff berth hunt? A loss yesterday very well could have killed any of their chances at making the playoffs.
Granted it did appear that they came into the game maybe a little complacent and thinking the Cards would be more of a pushover than they turned out to be.....eg....their game plan coming in seemed more geared to "practicing" and "honing their passing game" in preparation for an anticipated playoff run, rather than stick with their bread and butter running game.....but got hit with a dose of reality once the game started progressing.

And since when is Seattle's defense all that much better than Carolina's????

Anyone care to answer those questions??????

 

[conraddobler]

Gasp I agree with Tango.

The game meant something this week and he did well.

 

[conraddobler]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by AZCB34
Pete Kendall was on the radio this morning and really seemed to be impressed with how McCown played...and he even mentioned Josh was seeming to mature as the game went. That, to me, is a very good sign.

It is a good sign. A very good sign for McCown.

I think we tend to think of things in terms of sheer disaster and that is fine we have earned that with lots of big bonks on the head every time we get optimistic.

Why couldn't we be due for some HE GOD of QBing comming out of relative nowhere?

It is up to McCown he can play lights out and stop the Eli train but he has to really light it up and show progress every game or I am for doing the safe/smart/don't get this opportunity often thing.

 

[HookemCards]

I think there are two reasons people are saying wait until next week. First, since McCown hasn't started before and has only played mop up duty it was very hard to tell his strengths and weeknesses, and game plan to stop him. Secondly, we play horribly on the road. If he can get this team to play at a level high enough to beat Seattle on the road, i'll officially jump off the "draft a QB with the first pick" wagon. It will be next to impossible with the horrible road play of the OLine this year and the terrible play calling by the coaches.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I have a question here.....

A lot of people keep talking about....."Wait 'till next week in Seattle when the game 'really' counts" against that defense that they somehow seem to imply is better than Carolina's.

HUH????

This was a meaningless game for the Panthers? They aren't in the midst of a playoff berth hunt? A loss yesterday very well could have killed any of their chances at making the playoffs.
Granted it did appear that they came into the game maybe a little complacent and thinking the Cards would be more of a pushover than they turned out to be.....eg....their game plan coming in seemed more geared to "practicing" and "honing their passing game" in preparation for an anticipated playoff run, rather than stick with their bread and butter running game.....but got hit with a dose of reality once the game started progressing.

And since when is Seattle's defense all that much better than Carolina's????

Anyone care to answer those questions??????

did I or anyone else say Carolina wasn't a good test? No - in fact that is why in a game where we only put up 17 points and had a defensive TD against us - I thought the kid played decent. I just want to see it for more than one game - personally I think it's premature to say he;s willing to take the risk of passing up a possible franchise QB - he could go a long way to making me change that idea with another two good games - preferably wins or in the Seattle game - at least an impressive showing.

Whoever said the Carolina game was meaningless because they had nothing to play for is is an idiot - by the way - Tango - where did ANYONE say that Carolina had nothing to play for or intimated that for some reason their defense, which has been great all year - wasn't up to snuff yesterday?

 

[danny l]

Personally, I would like to see the team and Josh play well, but not quite well enogh to win. Hey the season is over but the race for the #1 draft choice is still ongoing.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
did I or anyone else say Carolina wasn't a good test? No - in fact that is why in a game where we only put up 17 points and had a defensive TD against us - I thought the kid played decent. I just want to see it for more than one game - personally I think it's premature to say he;s willing to take the risk of passing up a possible franchise QB - he could go a long way to making me change that idea with another two good games - preferably wins or in the Seattle game - at least an impressive showing.

Whoever said the Carolina game was meaningless because they had nothing to play for is is an idiot - by the way - Tango - where did ANYONE say that Carolina had nothing to play for or intimated that for some reason their defense, which has been great all year - wasn't up to snuff yesterday?

No one said that. He's just trolling.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by red desert
Cheese -

After all is said and done next week in Seattle, you may very well be right. However, I do think the kid did better than just "decent". Aside from keeping his wits about him, he had several dropped balls which if caught would have giving him significantly better numbers. Even Boldin dropped a couple he should have had. I think Josh is better that many are giving him credit for. Carolina has a very good defense (even minus Rucker) and they were coming at Josh. He wasn't rattled. That's huge IMO. And how one not take notice of the kid's speed? His ball has zip, and yesterday it also had accuracy.

What if Josh plays at least as well in Seattle?

I do agree with you, however, that the OFFSEASON is the best time of year to be a Cards fan. And this offseason in particular.

wasn't rattled? um, did you see him score FOR THE OTHER TEAM? i give him his due, he bounced back well, but he did still SCORE FOR THE OTHER TEAM. and i understand it's his first start, but he still SCORED FOR THE OTHER TEAM. i think "decent" is a good word for him. would i pass on a qb in the draft? hell no. but i think mccown could make some competition interesting. the lions were all excited about the way mcmahon ended the season a couple ago and still took harrington. i think that's smart. if we have two good young qbs we've got materials to work with. now we just have to root for the seahawks next week and the vikings and the chargers the week after and hello eli!

 

[red desert]

Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
wasn't rattled? um, did you see him score FOR THE OTHER TEAM? i give him his due, he bounced back well, but he did still SCORE FOR THE OTHER TEAM. and i understand it's his first start, but he still SCORED FOR THE OTHER TEAM. i think "decent" is a good word for him. would i pass on a qb in the draft? hell no. but i think mccown could make some competition interesting. the lions were all excited about the way mcmahon ended the season a couple ago and still took harrington. i think that's smart. if we have two good young qbs we've got materials to work with. now we just have to root for the seahawks next week and the vikings and the chargers the week after and hello eli!

He wasn't rattled. On that play, as you know if you saw the game, his jersey was being grabbed by a Carloina defender as he threw the ball. The right thing to do was to have tucked it away. The fact that he didn't and instead tried to make the pass was a mistake on his part.

To determine whether or not he was rattled I think you should look to how he reacted to that mistake. And IMO, he didn't react like someone that was rattled. In fact, he played damn well. So, no, I don't think he was rattled at any point during the game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by red desert
He wasn't rattled. On that play, as you know if you saw the game, his jersey was being grabbed by a Carloina defender as he threw the ball. The right thing to do was to have tucked it away. The fact that he didn't and instead tried to make the pass was a mistake on his part.

To determine whether or not he was rattled I think you should look to how he reacted to that mistake. And IMO, he didn't react like someone that was rattled. In fact, he played damn well. So, no, I don't think he was rattled at any point during the game.

rattled may be a poor choice of words. it was a gaff. a beginning of the game jitters-type gaff? maybe. but in the end, all excuses aside, he scored for the other team. a score that cost us the game (we'd have won if that pass wasn't thrown). the defense did its job in this game (except for barrett - thanks for providing the sideline over and over again and keeping the eli dream alive!). if mccown is the answer, he has to win that game (eventually, i understand it's his first start).

overall, i think he showed promise. he's no second coming of elway though, who said that?!?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by red desert
He wasn't rattled. On that play, as you know if you saw the game, his jersey was being grabbed by a Carloina defender as he threw the ball. The right thing to do was to have tucked it away. The fact that he didn't and instead tried to make the pass was a mistake on his part.

To determine whether or not he was rattled I think you should look to how he reacted to that mistake. And IMO, he didn't react like someone that was rattled. In fact, he played damn well. So, no, I don't think he was rattled at any point during the game.

Don't forget that LJ completely whiffed on his man that play allowing for the defender to reach McCown in about 1 second.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
but in the end, all excuses aside, he scored for the other team. a score that cost us the game (we'd have won if that pass wasn't thrown).

But we wouldn't have been even close to winning that game without Josh's performance.

It was a stupid, stupid play, but defendable for a guy who is basically a rookie. Josh wasn't rattled; he came back and played pretty well.

Watching him score on that 16 yard run, he showed more athletic ability than 90% of the rest of the Qbs in the league.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Watching him score on that 16 yard run, he showed more athletic ability than 90% of the rest of the Qbs in the league.

i don't disagree with you. i'm more concerned with the mental aspects of his game than his physical attributes. he was obviously drafted on the latter. and, to be honest, i'm not bashing him, i just think the love fest is premature. he put up 17 points. he gave away 7 points. he looked decent w/ upside. more than i can say for bryant johnson right now . . .

 

[AZCB34]

Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
wasn't rattled? um, did you see him score FOR THE OTHER TEAM? i give him his due, he bounced back well, but he did still SCORE FOR THE OTHER TEAM. and i understand it's his first start, but he still SCORED FOR THE OTHER TEAM. i think "decent" is a good word for him. would i pass on a qb in the draft? hell no. but i think mccown could make some competition interesting. the lions were all excited about the way mcmahon ended the season a couple ago and still took harrington. i think that's smart. if we have two good young qbs we've got materials to work with. now we just have to root for the seahawks next week and the vikings and the chargers the week after and hello eli!

I am not going to defend McCown on the INT per se, but I think you are being a bit harsh on it. here is why: After watching the INT replayed several times, it is clear Josh being hit as he was throwing the ball effected the flight of it. He was in the motion of throwing before he was hit so it isn;t like he could have simply eaten the ball at that point. He was past the point of no return when he was hit.

Now, the INT was the difference between winning and losing but I believe you are putting too much of this on Josh on not enough on it was a good play be the defender rushing him and when the ball was there the DB made the play. It isn't like Josh hit the guy in the stomach with no pressure on him and didn't see him.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown


overall, i think he showed promise. he's no second coming of elway though, who said that?!?

This is a perfect example of how a lot of people here tend to twist things around to fit their own take or perception ....or lack of.

I was the one who said that watching McCown yesterday, reminded me of a young John Elway, in physical appearance on the field, mannerisms, and style of play. That's all. I didn't say anything at all about McCown being the "second coming of him" at all.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Finally - Something to talk about!

Originally posted by AZCB34
I am not going to defend McCown on the INT per se, but I think you are being a bit harsh on it. here is why: After watching the INT replayed several times, it is clear Josh being hit as he was throwing the ball effected the flight of it. He was in the motion of throwing before he was hit so it isn;t like he could have simply eaten the ball at that point. He was past the point of no return when he was hit.

Now, the INT was the difference between winning and losing but I believe you are putting too much of this on Josh on not enough on it was a good play be the defender rushing him and when the ball was there the DB made the play. It isn't like Josh hit the guy in the stomach with no pressure on him and didn't see him.

Exactly, Exactly, Exactly!!!!!!!