Fire everybody

[SweetD]

I am one that did not want Cousins. He is like Morix2 but at 180million. No thanks!

I would have been OK with Favors, but couldn't make that work.

George would have been the only player to swing for the fiences for.

But Chriss looks like our PF of the future and with not many guards getting moved most of the top picks are going to be PGs which would leave Josh Jackson for the Sun's.

 

[pokerface]

What posts are hysterical here? Calling for the GM of a team that's been awful for three straight years seems rational... as does wondering about a HC who has literally had ZERO success, not seems to have put any imprint on the team.

McD has accumulated assets and its only now coming to fruition. After the suns play lotto and get thier pick then he will be unrestrained to make moves. He already said he wants to go after a couple big named players because he doesn't feel one big time player is enough. He's saying the right things and is willing to make moves...Unlike Kerr who couldn't get a deal done.

 

[Cheesebeef]

McD has accumulated assets and its only now coming to fruition. After the suns play lotto and get thier pick then he will be unrestrained to make moves. He already said he wants to go after a couple big named players because he doesn't feel one big time player is enough. He's saying the right things and is willing to make moves...Unlike Kerr who couldn't get a deal done.

He's been saying "the right things" for four years... and we suck. Talk is cheap. The Suns are a joke and why anyone thinks two big names are going to join a disastrous organization with no track record of success is beyond me.

 

[GatorAZ]

For the love of God... WHY? He's been a complete and utter failure to put any semblance of a product on the court in FOUR YEARS. Why continue on the same path?

You probably liked the Gugliotta years where the Suns were consistently over .500 yet accomplished nothing. I'd rather bottom out but I'm the patient type. The Suns have been really bad for a year and a half. Overachieving three years ago set the franchise back because we wanted to sustain that season and ended up trading for Knight to replace Dragic's production. That was really the only terrible move.

You can't count passing on Giannis but several other teams did too.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's had four years to create a finished product, IMO and that product would be a laughingstock of the league... if anyone actually remembered we were still a part of it.

He had a four year contract. It's been a disaster. Allowing him to dictate any part of the future after his contract has run out is begging for more of what we've already seen... utter failure.

McDonough did not blow the assets he has accumulated for a quick fix at the trade deadline which tells me he has the right stuff. Now he needs to finish his vision this summer.

Every GM makes mistakes, but I think he learned from those mistakes surrounding the departure of Dragic.

 

[Cheesebeef]

McDonough did not blow the assets he has accumulated for a quick fix at the trade deadline which tells me he has the right stuff. Now he needs to finish his vision this summer.

Every GM makes mistakes, but I think he learned from those mistakes surrounding Dragic' departure.

Man... you're much more
Forgiving than I am. Four years, absolutely zero success = don't let the door hit you on the way out... ESPECIALLY with an important summer coming up. People need to earn the opportunity like the Suns have this summer. A do-over after three straight years in the toilet doesn't cut it for me.

 

[pokerface]

He's been saying "the right things" for four years... and we suck. Talk is cheap. The Suns are a joke and why anyone thinks two big names are going to join a disastrous organization with no track record of success is beyond me.

Yeah well I see it differently...The problem with the suns in distant past years has been not stinking bad enough and getting medicore draft picks. Now we are getting high picks and starting to see daylight. You say McDonough hasn't done anything but in last year's draft he made a masterful move and snagged us Bender AND Chris...Not to mention Ulis. He was given very high marks across the board for that draft. He's been drafting very good and he's EXACTLY who we want at the helm with this up coming draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

Man... you're much more
Forgiving than I am. Four years, absolutely zero success = don't let the door hit you on the way out... ESPECIALLY with an important summer coming up. People need to earn the opportunity like the Suns have this summer. A do-over after three straight years in the toilet doesn't cut it for me.

I don't see how Mcdonough could have drafted much better in the last four drafts unless one is using hindsight which is 20/20.

 

[SweetD]

Knight was traded for Ennis, Plumlee and pick that will just become a second rounder?

We didn't give up much, to get was at the time a good player. His 5yr 70Mil is not that bad... Reggie Jackson got 5x$80, sure it not as good as Bled's deal. Rondo got $12mill a year.

With the new CBA your #6-8 best players are going to making $10-$15mil a year.

Plus there are very few PGs hitting the open market next year and PG will go early in this year's draft.

Yes he sucks coming off the bench, but there is a way under value for Knight. Bled has never lasted a full season with us so we shall see if Knights stock can go up.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Man... you're much more
Forgiving than I am. Four years, absolutely zero success = don't let the door hit you on the way out... ESPECIALLY with an important summer coming up. People need to earn the opportunity like the Suns have this summer. A do-over after three straight years in the toilet doesn't cut it for me.

I'm not aware of why this upcoming summer is so important? This draft is, but I can't see us being much of a player in offseason moves.

I really don't know if Ryan has done a great job, a horrible job or somewhere in between. I can understand the Thomas trade although I didn't like it. I can even understand choosing to cash in the Lakers pick rather than wait it out to see what it becomes. But for the life of me, I can't see a justification for going after Brandon Knight. I really didn't have an opinion at the time but I've yet to see anything in his game that intrigues me, either stylistically or from a results standpoint.

I also didn't like the childish way he fired back at Goran. Dragic was out of line but you expect more out of someone in Ryan's position. And it would have been even worse if Babby hadn't been there to reel him in and soothe a few feathers. But he's made some good draft picks and despite the later move, Thomas remains an excellent acquisition along with the Bledsoe trade. So I have mixed feelings.

But despite that first 48 win season, I can't forget how dead our future looked the season before. We had Goran, Gortat and that was about it. No youth, no stockpiled picks and a 25 win season. Our future was beyond bleak. It may not be great today but we have a high pick coming in a few months, 2 future Miami picks that look valuable and on the youth side we have Booker, Bender, Chriss, Ulis, Jones JR, Williams and Len. That's unquestionably an improvement but I have no idea if it's enough of an improvement.

 

[Chaplin]

He's been saying "the right things" for four years... and we suck. Talk is cheap. The Suns are a joke and why anyone thinks two big names are going to join a disastrous organization with no track record of success is beyond me.

Seems to me you forget just how bad we were four years ago. Back then we had no future.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Huh? I'm Asking why McD should get ANOTHER chance at another off-season when he's been an absolute failure so far. I have no problem with what happened at the trade deadline.

I think it's amazing how many call for a full rebuild but really do not have the stomach for it. This is what a rebuild looks like.

Trying to add a star at this moment would be foolish. We finally have a legit chance at a top three pick and NOW.is the time you want to be a good team? We NEED to be a bad team at the moment. This summer we can get a top three pick, potentially add a top free agent and even make a trade for a star level player. We are really on the verge.

I don't know about Watson. He is a coach who works on keeping a positive locker room, nurtures young players and doesn't let losing destroy him mentally. He is a good coach for the moment. Is he a championship caliber coach? I don't think so. But that guy would be frustrated with this team at this stage.

Patience Grasshopper.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I personally am very happy we didn't foolishly trade our pick for some weak hope at the 7th or 8th seed this year or next.

 

[leclerc]

Well, PF, I cannot think of many times I have agreed with you about something, but now is one of those times.

Rest Bledsoe on back to backs and maybe more. Let Booker continue to develop but pull him if he starts taking bad shots and being selfish. No allowing bad habits. Give Knight and Ulis plenty of burn. Start Len.

I agree on this but Watson is not likely to do this. My guess is he'll play Bledsoe and Booker 30+ mpg, and Ulis less than 10. I'm not even talking about Knight.

Don't know what to make of the season. I thought we would be better, especially when all the rookies showed promise early.

Let the tank roll.

 

[pokerface]

But for the life of me, I can't see a justification for going after Brandon Knight. I really didn't have an opinion at the time but I've yet to see anything in his game that intrigues me, either stylistically or from a results standpoint.

He was a rebound makeup move after losing Dragic. Knight showed flashes on his prior team and was young and had potential upside...Hence the payday contract. Now history wants to repeat itself and many fans on this board want to reward Len for the exact same reasons.

 

[pokerface]

I personally am very happy we didn't foolishly trade our pick for some weak hope at the 7th or 8th seed this year or next.

McD said he wants to go after two star players...It would make sense if we are keeping Bledsoe. Might do better than 7th seed if that were to happen. Lot of "ifs" to that but it's possible.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think it's amazing how many call for a full rebuild but really do not have the stomach for it. This is what a rebuild looks like.

That's a joke. I'm fine with a full rebuild... if I have faith in the guy rebuilding us. So far, in four years, McD has made ONE great move picking Booker. That is LITERALLY the only move he's made deserving of high praise. The Bledsoe trade was solid as well.

But here's the thing with "the full rebuild". You should see improvement. We saw McD take a team to 48 wins, then 39, then 23... and this season prob mid 20's AGAIN. That's not a rebuild. It's just a disaster.

I mean... let's look at this "rebuild" which is built around a 34 year old C... a 27 year old PG with major injury issues and a bona-fide stud 20 year old... and some other rookies who we have no clue what they're going to be. After FOUR YEARS on the job, I expect more than that mishmash of nothingness that is neither gaining substantially in wins, nor is it even entertaining in the least.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

McD said he wants to go after two star players...It would make sense if we are keeping Bledsoe. Might do better than 7th seed if that were to happen. Lot of "ifs" to that but it's possible.

Our assets are (likely in this order): Booker (20), 2017 draft pick, Chriss (19), Bender (19), Bledsoe (27), Miami 2018/2019 pick, Suns 2018 pick, Warren (23), Chandler (34), Len (23), Suns 2019 pick, Miami 2021 pick

So lets say the Suns get the 1 or 2 pick in this draft. Do you trade that for Paul George? I don't.

Bledsoe and Chandler are the assets that stick out like sore thumbs. If the kids are developed well, then we are two years away from starting to hit the playoffs.

Up to me, I trade Blesdoe after this year when his value is at the highest and embrace all these kids growing together.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think it's amazing how many call for a full rebuild but really do not have the stomach for it. This is what a rebuild looks like.

Trying to add a star at this moment would be foolish. We finally have a legit chance at a top three pick and NOW.is the time you want to be a good team? We NEED to be a bad team at the moment. This summer we can get a top three pick, potentially add a top free agent and even make a trade for a star level player. We are really on the verge.

I don't know about Watson. He is a coach who works on keeping a positive locker room, nurtures young players and doesn't let losing destroy him mentally. He is a good coach for the moment. Is he a championship caliber coach? I don't think so. But that guy would be frustrated with this team at this stage.

Patience Grasshopper.

I would have liked this a dozen times if I could

 

[pokerface]

That's a joke. I'm fine with a full rebuild... if I have faith in the guy rebuilding us. So far, in four years, McD has made ONE great move picking Booker. That is LITERALLY the only move he's made deserving of high praise. The Bledsoe trade was solid as well.

But here's the thing with "the full rebuild". You should see improvement. We saw McD take a team to 48 wins, then 39, then 23... and this season prob mid 20's AGAIN. That's not a rebuild. It's just a disaster.

I mean... let's look at this "rebuild" which is built around a 34 year old C... a 27 year old PG with major injury issues and a bona-fide stud 20 year old... and some other rookies who we have no clue what they're going to be. After FOUR YEARS on the job, I expect more than that mishmash of nothingness that is neither gaining substantially in wins, nor is it even entertaining in the least.

Didn't Bledsoe go down last year?? That alone can make us tank. And you don't mention him getting Bender and Chris against all odds. Even veteran GM's were probably scratching their heads on how he pulled that off.

This team is loaded with young talent and the Suns are setup to add yet another impact player and you are angry? What were you expecting?

 

[TJ]

McD said he wants to go after two star players...It would make sense if we are keeping Bledsoe. Might do better than 7th seed if that were to happen. Lot of "ifs" to that but it's possible.

What two star players want to play for Phoenix? Tough sell. McD is either going to have to find them in the draft or trade.

 

[pokerface]

Our assets are (likely in this order): Booker (20), 2017 draft pick, Chriss (19), Bender (19), Bledsoe (27), Miami 2018/2019 pick, Suns 2018 pick, Warren (23), Chandler (34), Len (23), Suns 2019 pick, Miami 2021 pick

So lets say the Suns get the 1 or 2 pick in this draft. Do you trade that for Paul George? I don't.

Bledsoe and Chandler are the assets that stick out like sore thumbs. If the kids are developed well, then we are two years away from starting to hit the playoffs.

Up to me, I trade Blesdoe after this year when his value is at the highest and embrace all these kids growing together.

I think we only trade for George if we get another impact player as well...But I don't know how McDonough pulls that off without giving up Booker because then I say forget it.

Other than that I'd be all for trading Bledsoe for a decent return and go all in on the youth movement... BUT it's not sounding like that with McD. It seems like he (and Sarver) want things to develop faster now and have an eye towards getting back in the playoffs. I think going young and staying young are their fallback position. I mean why didn't they trade Bled at the deadline? The timing would have been better IMO.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Didn't Bledsoe go down last year?? That alone can make us tank. And you don't mention him getting Bender and Chris against all odds. Even veteran GM's were probably scratching their heads on how he pulled that off.

This team is loaded with young talent and the Suns are setup to add yet another impact player and you are angry? What were you expecting?

Drafting Warren, Booker, Chris, Bender and Ulis. All solid.

Getting two first rounders for a Goran rental. Miraculous.

Getting a first rounder for Markieff. Miraculous.

Signing IT. That has to count as a good move even though trading him does not look good in retrospect.

Signing Tyson Chandler was solid.

Trading for Bledsoe was a good move.

Resigning Bledsoe was a good move.

Bad moves. The IT trade. The Knight trade. The Morris twins.

For a young GM he has not gone all Isiah Thomas on us and traded away our entire future. He has resisted trading away draft picks for short term solutions (except the Laker pick) and there are still a lot of assets in the cupboard

 

[sunsfan88]

He should let McD follow through on his plans. It's not up to McDonough to tell fans his plans or why he does what he does. He only has to make Server happy.

And Sarver won't be happy if the fans aren't happy cause that means less and less people buy team merchandise, go to games etc.

It's a cycle.

 

[pokerface]

What two star players want to play for Phoenix? Tough sell. McD is either going to have to find them in the draft or trade.

We would have to trade for them and convince them to stay. If we get one star then it will be easier to get the next...Like moths to a flame. We already have talent...We arnt at ground zero.