First in history to win 4 then lose 7 straight

[Shzm13]

What more does Mikey need to get off his butt and fire Graves/Whiz??

 

[TruCard]

Sorry man but this is the way the Bidwill's work. As long as their stadium is full, they can care less what we think. Three winning seasons since moving to AZ. What a joke. You cannot make excuses for that. Year after year, this team falters. At some point, you need to put pressure on the owners. This is an embarassment to the state of Arizona.

 

[THESMEL]

Wow The Cardinals have a new record in futility! How is that possible? I'm going to wear black underwear over my head- seeing how so many want black jerseys-

 

[az1965]

Stop filling the stadium.

 

[Shzm13]

How's Whiz' contract situation? Denny was fired after a 5-11 yr and had 1yr left on his deal.

 

[kps0001]

Don't get too excited. We aren't done yet. 4-12 is comin'.

 

[Black Jesus]

Don't get too excited. We aren't done yet. 4-12 is comin'.

Was just about to say the same.

What's first to win 4 and lose 7, when you could win 4 and then lose 12?!

 

[GatorAZ]

There is no point to fire him now instead of after the season.

 

[PACardsFan]

How many of those 4-0 teams incurred the injuries that this team did?? I'd venture to say that NONE of them did. Even being decimated, this team has never quit & been in most of those games. We lost competitive games on the road to GB, Minn & Atlanta, all difficult places to win. We should have beaten the Bills. The Ram's games were competitive. The only game we were clearly beaten was the Niners game & that's because they are the best team in football.

 

[Stout]

How many of those 4-0 teams incurred the injuries that this team did?? I'd venture to say that NONE of them did. Even being decimated, this team has never quit & been in most of those games. We lost competitive games on the road to GB, Minn & Atlanta, all difficult places to win. We should have beaten the Bills. The Ram's games were competitive. The only game we were clearly beaten was the Niners game & that's because they are the best team in football.

And what was our excuse for a 6-game losing streak last year? And the year before that? You can't just suck year after year and make excuses. Sometimes, you have to talk about lack of depth and an inability to find a quality, or at least an average, QB. When a team suffers big losing streaks three years in a row, the coach gets the blame.

 

[Zeno]

And what was our excuse for a 6-game losing streak last year? And the year before that? You can't just suck year after year and make excuses. Sometimes, you have to talk about lack of depth and an inability to find a quality, or at least an average, QB. When a team suffers big losing streaks three years in a row, the coach gets the blame.

Exactly. The injury excuse falls on deaf ears to me. So we lost a below average OT, 2 RBs who were averaging less than 3 yards a carry, 1 bad QB and 1 below average QB...yet had none of that happen we'd be a 10 win team? Rrrright

 

[CardsFan88]

It's not the worst really. Oh it's bad, but I remember the Vikings being 8-1 or 8-0 probably about 10 or so years ago and then losing the rest of their games. That's probably worse. I think they did something like that two years close to each other too. Though maybe the other time was like 6-0.

 

[TRW]

Stop filling the stadium.

I don't think that is even a factor. In the NFL they make money before they even sell tickets from the fat TV contract. The Bidwills have always been satisfied with that it seems.

I don't think winning is first priority with the Bidwills as is proven by history. If a winning year pops up every decade or two they seem to be happy with that.

Change the GM, change the coaches, change the players...whatever, won't matter.

Ownership is the problem, period. Michael Bidwill is no different than his dad and grandpa, he's just more polished and public than they were.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Dayman]

How many of those 4-0 teams incurred the injuries that this team did?? I'd venture to say that NONE of them did. Even being decimated, this team has never quit & been in most of those games. We lost competitive games on the road to GB, Minn & Atlanta, all difficult places to win. We should have beaten the Bills. The Ram's games were competitive. The only game we were clearly beaten was the Niners game & that's because they are the best team in football.

Most of our injuries this year have been to players who traditionally have a hard time staying healthy.

Kolb's injury shouldn't have surprised anyone. It's pretty clear he's not the most durable player in the league, and subjecting him to so many hits made him an injury waiting to happen. We went into the season with 2 RBs coming off major knee surgeries and didn't have a regular-sized #3 ready in case they went down. Schofield has been injured to some degree for the past three or four years, going back to his college days. Heap's injury history is well documented.

At some point, injuries become more about poor planning than bad luck. I believe this team has reached that point.

 

[PACardsFan]

And what was our excuse for a 6-game losing streak last year? And the year before that? You can't just suck year after year and make excuses. Sometimes, you have to talk about lack of depth and an inability to find a quality, or at least an average, QB. When a team suffers big losing streaks three years in a row, the coach gets the blame.

Well then, we should just go ahead & fire the winningest HC in our history! We did that with Coryell back in the 70's. How did that work out? He just went on to a HOF career. The same will happen with Whiz. It's NOT the Coach. We are an inept franchise & ALWAYS have been. Don't worry, eventually Whiz will leave on his own accord. Whiz is a very good coach in a piss poor franchise. We fire him & we'll wander in the desert for another 20 years, hiring & firing every 3-4 years. I'll be dead so I don't give a damn anymore.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Well then, we should just go ahead & fire the winningest HC in our history! We did that with Coryell back in the 70's. How did that work out? He just went on to a HOF career. The same will happen with Whiz. It's NOT the Coach. We are an inept franchise & ALWAYS have been. Don't worry, eventually Whiz will leave on his own accord. Whiz is a very good coach in a piss poor franchise. We fire him & we'll wander in the desert for another 20 years, hiring & firing every 3-4 years. I'll be dead so I don't give a damn anymore.

1) Being the winningest coach in franchise history for the Cardinals is not that hard to do.
2) Whisenhunt is vastly overrated. I too see him going somewhere else where his power and ego can be checked and doing decent, better than he did in AZ, but no were near HOF level
3) Whisenhunt is dragging this organization down along with others. This should be a 10 win team had he not bungled the QB situation, showed favoritism with his buddy coaches and run good players out of town with stupid head games.
4) Good teams find a way around injuries. The Patriots went 11-6 without Tom Brady and a weak running game and average defense. The key? Good coaching.

 

[Stout]

Well then, we should just go ahead & fire the winningest HC in our history! We did that with Coryell back in the 70's. How did that work out? He just went on to a HOF career. The same will happen with Whiz. It's NOT the Coach. We are an inept franchise & ALWAYS have been. Don't worry, eventually Whiz will leave on his own accord. Whiz is a very good coach in a piss poor franchise. We fire him & we'll wander in the desert for another 20 years, hiring & firing every 3-4 years. I'll be dead so I don't give a damn anymore.

This is all opinion, save that he's won more games than our other coaches--which is no great feat. You haven't responded to the actual points in my response, which tells me you don't have a response for them.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

70-0 is all that matters to the Bidwills....

"Inept" is the only word to describe this franchise. They either can't or won't do what it takes to win. I will always be a fan but it'll never be easy.

 

[Duckjake]

1) Being the winningest coach in franchise history for the Cardinals is not that hard to do.
2) Whisenhunt is vastly overrated. I too see him going somewhere else where his power and ego can be checked and doing decent, better than he did in AZ, but no were near HOF level
3) Whisenhunt is dragging this organization down along with others. This should be a 10 win team had he not bungled the QB situation, showed favoritism with his buddy coaches and run good players out of town with stupid head games.
4) Good teams find a way around injuries. The Patriots went 11-6 without Tom Brady and a weak running game and average defense. The key? Good coaching.

Very true. Coryell won 60% of his regular season games. Whisenhunt hasn't even won half. Even if you add in CKW's playoff wins he's still sub .500 as the Cards head coach. Over a 100 percentage points behind Coryell.

Charley Winner and Wally Lemm also have a better W-L percentage than Whisenhunt. The other Cardinal coaches in Arizona other than Stallings not being able to win even 4 games out of 10 doesn't make CKW a great coach.

 

[machgman]

How many of those 4-0 teams incurred the injuries that this team did?? I'd venture to say that NONE of them did. Even being decimated, this team has never quit & been in most of those games. We lost competitive games on the road to GB, Minn & Atlanta, all difficult places to win. We should have beaten the Bills. The Ram's games were competitive. The only game we were clearly beaten was the Niners game & that's because they are the best team in football.

All teams have injuries. How well they deal with these injuries are rooted in how well the coaches have evaluated talent, kept the good ones, and trained them to step in without a major drop in performance.

Let me make this clear - under Whisenhut, the Cards have always been thin on their capable backups. Case in point is multi-year pro Batiste is kept around, but once they had to play him, he was horrible in skill level, technique, and even intelligence level (he went to block the defensive tackle being blocked by Colledge while letting the DE go free to sack Skelton). Batiste is the tip of the gigantic iceberg of bad coaching being done by Whisenhut and Grimm.

 

[THESMEL]

i don't see us heading in the right direction- We are running more overall- but another abandon to a pass fest that rarely works out for us.

But replace the GM first and let him or her decide on the coach staff- rather they will be open to fundementally sound football process or need to go.

 

[machgman]

Well then, we should just go ahead & fire the winningest HC in our history! We did that with Coryell back in the 70's. How did that work out? He just went on to a HOF career. The same will happen with Whiz. It's NOT the Coach. We are an inept franchise & ALWAYS have been. Don't worry, eventually Whiz will leave on his own accord. Whiz is a very good coach in a piss poor franchise. We fire him & we'll wander in the desert for another 20 years, hiring & firing every 3-4 years. I'll be dead so I don't give a damn anymore.

Whisenhut is such a terrible coach, he can't even carry Coryell's clipboard. Come on, stop being silly. Take away the leadership and talent and drive and the pushing and pulling by Kurt Warner to elevate the Cards to get them into the Super Bowl as well as those victories led by Warner and you get what we have got now - the Cards with a losing season record. Ever since Warner left and took his magic, the Cards have reverted to being consistent losers, even when their defensive players are overachievers. Now, this is a true picture of how bad a coach Whisenhut is as he leads the team to another losing season, despite the great job Horton is producing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

All teams have injuries. How well they deal with these injuries are rooted in how well the coaches have evaluated talent, kept the good ones, and trained them to step in without a major drop in performance.

Let me make this clear - under Whisenhut, the Cards have always been thin on their capable backups. Case in point is multi-year pro Batiste is kept around, but once they had to play him, he was horrible in skill level, technique, and even intelligence level (he went to block the defensive tackle being blocked by Colledge while letting the DE go free to sack Skelton). Batiste is the tip of the gigantic iceberg of bad coaching being done by Whisenhut and Grimm.

Yup. good teams overcome injuries because they have good depth. The Texans last year lost their Pro-Bowl QB, Pro Bowl WR and Pro Bowl DE... and still made the playoffs... and WON a game. The Ravens have had a number of guys on injured reserve not to mention losing Ray Lewis for the SEASON and missing Suggs for half the year and he's on one leg right now... and they're 9-2. The Packers constantly have people dropping like flies, just like they have this year and yet they're 7-4 and had something like 8 guys on injured reserve when they won the Super Bowl. We're not talking about teams that lost a lot of guys and barely kept pace. We're talking about teams that lost SUPERSTARS and still kicked people's asses.

we've lost mediocrity across the board and lost 7 games in a row. we're not talking about falling back to the pack and losing 4 of 7 or even 5 of 7... we're talking WINLESS OF SEVEN. that's pathetic anyway you cut it.