First round pick. 3 DO WANT & 3 DO NOT WANT.

[DVontel]

I like Green but if we go LBs or skill positions with our inherent problems on the DL and OL... then nothing can help us

I think you can make the case going WR. Not CB, though. Too volatile to spend our 1st rounder on.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Want Jameison Williams
David Ojabo
Chris Olave

 

[AZman5103]

I think you can make the case going WR. Not CB, though. Too volatile to spend our 1st rounder on.

CB might be our thinnest room. We will see what FA brings, but we have very little talent on the roster. This is a really good draft for CB, but I think waiting until the 2nd could mean we get another "project" guy, which we dont need. We need someone who can come in and be better than Alford and Wilson were this year.

My vote is McCreary.

 

[imaCafan]

Can you guys list position when you post names, it would of great help (to me anyway) I know zip about college sports...

 

[football karma]

if Ertz leaves then I would throw TE and Jalen Wydermeyer into my top three choices.

i think Trey McBride of Colorado State is a better fit, and thats even with resigning Ertz

McBride is a complete tight end -- blocking and receiving (Ertz is just an "ok" blocker). #55 is a good spot for him

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Anyone have thoughts on Drake London? Love his size and production, but i don't see elite burst or long speed. I don't think he's a first round guy for me. I know many project him as a top 15 pick. I just don't see him as anything more than a possession WR. More of a Day 2 guy for me.

I wouldn't take London in the 1st, no way.

 

[football karma]

im going to do three positions of need, with my preferred ones for each:



three i want:

Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn
Chris Olave, WR, OSU
Kenyon Green, G, Tex AM

McCreary lasts because his straight line speed is a knock, but he has good size, is super smart and technically sound. A guy who comes in a plays a solid NFL corner position right away.

Last year is Olave comes out, im not sure he lasts to 23, but his injury feels like its pushing him down a bit. Big enough to play outside, great routes and hands.

Green is a plug and play guard. Im tired of seeing the edges hold up, but inside pressure undo the Cardinal passing game.



three that i dont:

Bernhard Raimann, OT, CenMich
Andrew Booth, CB, Clem
Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St


Raimann-- relatively new to football and from a smaller school. Feels like a 2 season project to get him up to speed.

Booth: this feels like a guy Keim loves: size, speed, big program but........ didnt play to those measurables.

Dotson. Feels like a slot guy to me.

 

[Chopper0080]

6'2 3/4 so he ll be listed 6'3, i don't see it as a problem to play guard
Beachum is 6'3 an played the tackle position for several seasons

Consider Beachum was a mid round pick and is an outlier. I am not saying Zion can't work, but I am saying I prefer not to use premium picks on statistical outliers at non-premium positions. If we had an opening at C or if Zion had played his college career at C, I would feel he had more value.

I am having a but of a struggle with Linderbaum right now as well but ultimately I love what he has shown at C and Hudson is only really under contract for 2022 and 2023. I would eat a year to have a 10 year starter at C.

 

[Chopper0080]

Pre-free agency the areas I am targeting in the draft are OL/WR/DL/EDGE.

People can talk about CB but I feel what we have works well enough for now. You can add a mid round guy to fill out the room and be fine.

I just don't care about a RB high unless we can really fill a lot of holes in FA. There are just going to be a ton of options to fill those gaps.

TE. I could see a mid round guy but none of the TEs jump out right now. Better FA class if you are looking for an immediate contributor IMO.

LB...not early.

S...no.

 

[football karma]

People can talk about CB but I feel what we have works well enough for now.

my thing with CB is it feels like a deeper part of the draft, with quality players available in the 20s

for all the focus on the offense in the last 1/3 of the season, the pass defense fell apart during that stretch as well

while i think Marco Wilson will take another step, adding another CB would be welcome

 

[DVontel]

my thing with CB is it feels like a deeper part of the draft, with quality players available in the 20s

for all the focus on the offense in the last 1/3 of the season, the pass defense fell apart during that stretch as well

while i think Marco Wilson will take another step, adding another CB would be welcome

The pass defense fell apart because the pass-rush fell apart. I’d be okay with adding a CB in the 3rd round at best, but any earlier is a “no” from me. These playoffs showed you can get by with average CB play with a very good pass rush. Even a guy like Jalen Ramsey struggled, but was ultimately saved by his pass-rush.

 

[football karma]

The pass defense fell apart because the pass-rush fell apart. I’d be okay with adding a CB in the 3rd round at best, but any earlier is a “no” from me. These playoffs showed you can get by with average CB play with a very good pass rush. Even a guy like Jalen Ramsey struggled, but was ultimately saved by his pass-rush.

i do think there is some merit to that

fwiw: i just went and compiled the stats -- which are kinda shocking to see in black and white, like the TD/Int ratio in the last part of the year

Games	Points	Comp	Att	%	Yds	TDs	Ints	SKs	YPA
First 6	18.2​	127​	203​	63%​	1,289	9​	6​	17​	6.3​
next 6	19.2​	138​	209​	66%​	1,172	7​	6​	15​	5.6​
last 6	29.3​	116​	167​	69%​	1,419	16​	1​	10​	8.5​

for perspective: the first 12 games of the season, the Cardinals were a top 5 passing defense. The last 6 games: bottom 2 in the league or so.

 

[football karma]

i do think there is some merit to that

fwiw: i just went and compiled the stats -- which are kinda shocking to see in black and white, like the TD/Int ratio in the last part of the year

Games	Points	Comp	Att	%	Yds	TDs	Ints	SKs	YPA
First 6	18.2​	127​	203​	63%​	1,289	9​	6​	17​	6.3​
next 6	19.2​	138​	209​	66%​	1,172	7​	6​	15​	5.6​
last 6	29.3​	116​	167​	69%​	1,419	16​	1​	10​	8.5​

for perspective: the first 12 games of the season, the Cardinals were a top 5 passing defense. The last 6 games: bottom 2 in the league or so.

in the pass rush vs coverage thing:

the Cards had Chandler Jones and Markus Golden together for 5 of the last 6 games (Golden missed Dallas, a win)

yet, down the stretch, sacks dried up.

what was true was that Robert Alford missed 5 of the final 6 games (hurt Monday night vs the Rams, missed about half the game) and Marco Wilson missed a chunk of the Colts game and the final two games.

 

[AZman5103]

We need to add a CB...if its through FA fine...otherwise we need to draft someone who can start.

IMO you cannot go into another season with Murphy and Wilson as your top 2 guys. We need at least 1 more guy that can play a significant snaps.

I think the CB's that will be available at 23 can do that...Im not sure about 2nd round.

 

[Redsz]

We need to draft another ilb to play behind back up quality players.

 

[Chopper0080]

The pass defense fell apart because the pass-rush fell apart. I’d be okay with adding a CB in the 3rd round at best, but any earlier is a “no” from me. These playoffs showed you can get by with average CB play with a very good pass rush. Even a guy like Jalen Ramsey struggled, but was ultimately saved by his pass-rush.

I agree with this. Maybe FA changes our situation, but right now, it is tough to see a CBB available that will be significantly better than the potential available WR/EDGE/DT/OL.

Better to just try and get a nice group of dependable DBs right now who don't give up big plays and keep adding to that with mid round guys who can develop over time like Vance likes.

 

[Krangodnzr]

my thing with CB is it feels like a deeper part of the draft, with quality players available in the 20s

for all the focus on the offense in the last 1/3 of the season, the pass defense fell apart during that stretch as well

while i think Marco Wilson will take another step, adding another CB would be welcome

Then deeper means some teams will want to grab a top guy, while the Cardinals draft another position and wait to get a CB later who slides.

The Cardinals demonstrated that they can get by with meh CBs if the pass rush is there.

 

[BritCard]

Want Jameison Williams
David Ojabo
Chris Olave

I like Ojabo. I would have had him on my list but I think he's gone well before we pick sadly. He's going to run sub 4.5 I reckon.

 

[BritCard]

im going to do three positions of need, with my preferred ones for each:



three i want:

Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn
Chris Olave, WR, OSU
Kenyon Green, G, Tex AM

McCreary lasts because his straight line speed is a knock, but he has good size, is super smart and technically sound. A guy who comes in a plays a solid NFL corner position right away.

Last year is Olave comes out, im not sure he lasts to 23, but his injury feels like its pushing him down a bit. Big enough to play outside, great routes and hands.

Green is a plug and play guard. Im tired of seeing the edges hold up, but inside pressure undo the Cardinal passing game.



three that i dont:

Bernhard Raimann, OT, CenMich
Andrew Booth, CB, Clem
Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St


Raimann-- relatively new to football and from a smaller school. Feels like a 2 season project to get him up to speed.

Booth: this feels like a guy Keim loves: size, speed, big program but........ didnt play to those measurables.

Dotson. Feels like a slot guy to me.

I really like McCreary. He's getting listed at like CB5 or 6 in this draft I think because of his arm length but I think he's a top 3 CB.

He's played vs a bunch of top draw high pick WR's including Ja'Marr Chase and done extremely well. He's shown on film that his arm length doesn't matter. The kid is like glue. The best in this class in my opinion and sticking in man coverage.

 

[BritCard]

Consider Beachum was a mid round pick and is an outlier. I am not saying Zion can't work, but I am saying I prefer not to use premium picks on statistical outliers at non-premium positions. If we had an opening at C or if Zion had played his college career at C, I would feel he had more value.

I am having a but of a struggle with Linderbaum right now as well but ultimately I love what he has shown at C and Hudson is only really under contract for 2022 and 2023. I would eat a year to have a 10 year starter at C.

I get your point but I think you might have outwitted yourself on this one.

We have both (I believe) advocated for signing Will Hernandez from the Giants and he's a tad shorter than Zion Johnson. I think his height is fine.

 

[DVontel]

Will Hernandez is terrible.

 

[imaCafan]

Sign the best available FA guard and draft the best available guard in round 1. Or draft Edge or DT round 1 if better option than guard is there.

 

[BritCard]

Will Hernandez is terrible.

It's the Giants. Will Hernandez has much more to offer than the Giants give him the opportunity to show.

 

[DVontel]

It's the Giants. Will Hernandez has much more to offer than the Giants give him the opportunity to show.

What is this actually based off of just off the fact you probably liked the guy coming out of college 5 years ago & can’t come to conclusion that he himself sucks?

 

[BritCard]

What is this actually based off of just off the fact you probably liked the guy coming out of college 5 years ago & can’t come to conclusion that he himself sucks?

Yes I liked him coming out. But I see quite a lot of the Giants as they are on TV quite a lot here and he's been surrounded by a lot of garbage. He's had 4 different O line coaches and 3 OC's in his 4 years.

You can think he sucks, that's fine. I think he has more to offer and is better than what we have.