First-round Projection and Cardinals Mock Draft

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I'm going to use THR's Top 200 value rankings to put this together. Outside the top 10, every team relies on need to color their prospect rankings. Bear with me. Also, I don't predict trades, although it's likely that the Rams would try and trade up to get Jimmy Clausen toward the bottom of the round. I think that the Browns end up happy with Colt McCoy in the second.

For the Cardinals, I'm assuming that they sign Porter, Foote, and then don't have anything beyond one or two more depth signings. Now that Ware's back in the fold, it's difficult to imagine the Cards losing a need free agent.

1 St. Louis Rams - Gerald McCoy, DT, Okalahoma. Sam Bradford is not a franchise quarterback. But the Rams know that in their HC's one-gap penetrating defense, McCoy can be a huge playmaker and make everyone on the defense seem better.
2 Detroit Lions - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska. The best player in the draft falls right in Detroit's lap. Jim Schwartz will know just what to do with him after coaching Albert Haynesworth for years.
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech. The Bucs desperately want to trade out of this position after the Rams don't take their quarterback, but no one wants to spend the money. Tampa's search to replace Simeon Rice continues.
4 Washington Redskins - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State. The Redskins get exactly who they're targeting here. Okung answered all questions at the Combine, and will be an anchor for years in Washington.
5 Kansas City Chiefs - Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee. The Chiefs were hoping that Okung would fall to them, but instead they look to the defensive side of the ball. Todd Haley knows how exceptional DB play can affect a defense, and Jon McGraw is not the answer for Kansas City.
6 Seattle Seahawks - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma. Excellent fit all around. Hasselbeck can groom the kid for a year. Seattle corrects the mistake it made last year in passing on Mark Sanchez.
7 Cleveland Browns - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State. Jerome Harrison may be the answer at running back for the Browns, but there's little on the outside for whomever is taking snaps from center. Bryant gives them an outside option.
8 Oakland Raiders - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland. What can you say about Al Davis? If he's going to stick with his OL coach/Head Coach for another year, he's going to give him something to work with in this physical specimen. Could immediately start at RT in place or Cornell Green.
9 Buffalo Bills - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa. The Bills' line is in a shambles after releasing seemingly everyone last year. Bulaga may end up as a pro guard, but they'll try him on the edge first.
10 Jacksonville Jaguars - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida. Jacksonville wants to trade out of this spot when it finds no need positions when they come on the clock. If a team wants Clausen, they can get him here. Forced to pick, the Jags realize that you can never have too many pass rushers.
11 Denver Broncos (From Bears) - Mike Iupati, OL, Idaho. The Broncos may also be interested in trading out of this spot, but the OL is in transition from the zone-blocking scheme, and Iupati will provide a physical inside presence for Josh McDaniels's offense. McDaniels has faith in Kyle Orton.
12 Miami Dolphins - Taylor Mays, S, Southern Cal. Bill Parcells loves size/speed players like Karlos Dansby. Mays will be a high-profile player in Miami and plays in a division with only one good passer in Tom Brady.
13 San Francisco 49ers - Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma. San Francisco knows that they're going to have to protect whomever they have taking snaps, and Williams begins that project.
14 Seattle Seahawks (From Broncos) - C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson. Finally an RB comes off the board. Pete Carroll sees a little Reggie Bush in Spiller.
15 New York Giants - Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama. McClain could play any of the three LB positions in the Giants' 4-3 defense, but he'll start, and excel, in the middle.
16 Tennessee Titans - Joe Haden, CB, Florida. One injury at DB crippled the Titans for half the season. They won't let that happen again.
17 San Francisco 49ers (From Panthers) - Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan. Graham will play outside linebacker in the 49ers' 3-4 defense, where they have to find ways to bolster a pass rush against teams that aren't the Arizona Cardinals.
18 Pittsburgh Steelers - Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. The Steelers must continue to build their offensive line and re-load for the future.
19 Atlanta Falcons - Earl Thomas, S, Texas. Atlanta's thrilled that Thomas falls to them. The Falcons have to get better on the defensive side of the ball if they're going to return to playoff contention.
20 Houston Texans - Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State. The Texans aren't crying that they lost Dunta Robinson at free agency, but they are thrilled to get a young playmaker in the secondary to replace him.
21 Cincinnati Bengals - Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma. Carson Palmer has never in his career played with a receiving TE. He needs more weapons on the offensive side of the ball, and Gresham should give him a quality outlet.
22 New England Patriots - Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas. Kindle will be able to play inside and outside linebacker in the Pats' 3-4 scheme, which will make him the kidn of multi-dimensional weapon that Belicheck loves.
23 Green Bay Packers - Charles Brown, OT, Southern Cal. A little bit of a reach here, but OT has long needed a youth movement in Green Bay, and they're going to have to draft a couple of 'em in 2010.
24 Philadelphia Eagles - Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri. Quick: Name two of the Eagles' starting linebackers. This position has gone with stop-gaps for long enough. Weatherspoon gives Philly a multidimensional threat at the position.
25 Baltimore Ravens - Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame. Tate will be a nice third option in the Ravens' offense behind Anquan Boldin and Derrick Mason.
26 Arizona Cardinals - Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee. It's hard for teams to convince themselves to use a top pick on a DT who can't rush the passer, but the Cardinals are convinced that Dan Williams can be the player they thought they were getting in Alan Branch.
27 Dallas Cowboys - Jared Odrick, DT, Penn St. Dallas would love to trade out of this position. They take a player who can play inside or outside in their 3-4 scheme.
28 San Diego Chargers - Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State. There's nothing on the Chargers' roster where "starting running back" should be.
29 New York Jets - Everson Griffen, DE, Southern Cal. Trust Rex Ryan to find a way to use the effective West Coast pass rusher in his defense.
30 Minnesota Vikings - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame. The Vikings will hope that Clausen can develop behind Brett Favre the way that Aaron Rogers did.
31 Indianapolis Colts - Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida. The Colts were hampered by their lack of depth behind Dwight Freeney. The Colts are always good at building their lines.
32 New Orleans Saints - Brian Price, DT, UCLA. Could pair with developing DT Sedrick Ellis for a fierce one-gap interior tandem.

Arizona Cardinals Draft:
1 (26) Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2 (58) Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest - The Cards looked for an ILB here, but there was no one on the board. You can never have too many good cornerbacks, especially when you're one injury away from starting "Money" Michael Adams.
3A (88) Sean Lee, LB, Penn State - Cards are taking a huge risk on a player with first-round talent but a fifth-round body.
3B (89) Thaddeus Gibson, LB, Ohio State - Cards have to load up on a youth and talent movement if they can't get high-round talent.
4 (120) George Selvie, DE, South Florida - Will play outside linebacker for the Cards.
6 (185) Jim Dray, TE, Stanford - He blocks people, and will become a threat in the passing game over time. Possesses immense untapped potential.
7 (217) Chris Marinelli, OT, Stanford - The Cardinals look to the Cardinal back-to-back to end the draft. Marinelli was a four-year starter for Stanford, but shoulder injuries held him back as a senior.

Let me know what you think. First-round projections take forever, but I can take the criticism.
 

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Jimmy Clausen falls all the way to us and we don't draft him? Oh my!!!!
 

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Jimmy Clausen falls all the way to us and we don't draft him? Oh my!!!!
I don't think we'd draft him either. This is a team one year removed from the superbowl; the Cardinals are not in re-building mode. I think they see the window as still open and won't take a player that can't contribute right away in the first round.

JMHO

The thing that raised my eyebrow the most was Suh going #2.
 

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I like your draft for the Cardinals. As for the first round itself, it seemed kind of like every team did the smart thing. I personally think the Rams will take Bradford even though it is a bad idea, simply because teams hate investing #1 money in any other position than QB. Also, if Bradford and Clausen are there at #4 I have a hard time believing the 'skins don't draft one. Finally, I don't see Clausen sliding all the way to #30. Someone will start trying to trade up for him if he lasts until 15.

Overall a well though out draft. 4 and a half stars.
 

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I don't think we'd draft him either. This is a team one year removed from the superbowl; the Cardinals are not in re-building mode. I think they see the window as still open and won't take a player that can't contribute right away in the first round.

JMHO

The thing that raised my eyebrow the most was Suh going #2.

I would agree that we aren't necessarily in a rebuilding mode, but I am convinced that he would be the best player available if he were there when we drafted anyway.

Amen to passing on this ******.

No way in hell do we pass on Clausen if he falls. No way he falls that far in the first place.
 

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I'd go CB in the first round, maybe the kid from Rutgers. Two LB's and a NT in the second and third. Who they are, I'll leave that to the FO. A QB in the fourth, WR in the sixth and then a WR.
 

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No way in hell do we pass on Clausen if he falls. No way he falls that far in the first place.
So, you agree that the cards aren't "rebuilding," but are adamant that they'd select a player in the first that likely won't play but a couple of downs this season?

He may be the best player on the board, but he's not going to help the team this year.

Maybe they select him, but I really, really doubt it.
 

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I like the draft k9. I especially like George Selvie in the fourth. I know that he was highly regarded last year.
 

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So, you agree that the cards aren't "rebuilding," but are adamant that they'd select a player in the first that likely won't play but a couple of downs this season?

He may be the best player on the board, but he's not going to help the team this year.

Maybe they select him, but I really, really doubt it.

I believe that 99 times out of 100, you should always draft the best player available.
 

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I n\know you don't consider trades. So you draft would fit in okay. However we will add 2-3 FA and that will change our draft thinking as far as BPA.

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I like your draft for the Cardinals. As for the first round itself, it seemed kind of like every team did the smart thing. I personally think the Rams will take Bradford even though it is a bad idea, simply because teams hate investing #1 money in any other position than QB. Also, if Bradford and Clausen are there at #4 I have a hard time believing the 'skins don't draft one. Finally, I don't see Clausen sliding all the way to #30. Someone will start trying to trade up for him if he lasts until 15.

Overall a well though out draft. 4 and a half stars.

Last four #1 picks before Stafford:

OT Jake Long, QB Jamarcus Russell, DE Mario Williams, QB Alex Smith.

I don't think that teams are stupid. I think that the Rams know that they can get Colt McCoy in the second or move back up and get Clausen. But they have a defensive head coach and he's going to build on his terrible unit. I think that Spagnulo can convince ownership that McCoy would make Carricker and Long better, and also Laurinitis and the secondary.

I don't believe that any of these QBs has the potential of V. Young, M. Leinart, or J. Cutler from a few years ago. Mike Shanahan knows that you don't want to try and train a spread QB into a traditional offense.
 

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I believe that 99 times out of 100, you should always draft the best player available.
I'm a big proponent of BPA myself, but I do think the QB position is unique--maybe accounting for that 1 percent in this case?.

And, your statement above is a lot different than the one previous. One states without much wiggle room what you believe the Cards will do, this one states your own philosophy. :)
 
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I n\know you don't consider trades. So you draft would fit in okay. However we will add 2-3 FA and that will change our draft thinking as far as BPA.

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Maybe, but who? Even if we sign Jimmy Kennedy (DT, MIN), we're still going to need an NT. Even if we sign Larry Foote, we're still going to need ILBs, if only to upgrade the declining skills of Gerald Hayes. I don't see much out there besides camp bodies on the free agent wire.

There just aren't a lot of options out there in FA. Obviously, I do think that the Cards will pick up a couple of FA quarterbacks to fill out the roster. They could also bring in guys like Levi Brown and Mike Kafka to complete in training camp for a third roster spot or the practice squad.

Arizona will be a good landing spot for UDFA quarterbacks.
 

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Truly appreciate the effort and time it takes to put together this type of Mock. Having comments for every team illustrates how much effort and time you put into this. Your knowledge of the entire NFL is among the best of anyone on this site. Having said that:

I doubt Bradford slides to the 6th pick if his shoulder checks out. I doubt the Rams pass on him. If they do go safe and take one of the DT's then at some point a team is trading up for him. Since you don't "do" trades in your mock then I see why Bradford slides to 6 and Clauson slides to 30 etc.

I would LOVE that draft for the Cards. Whis builds in the trenches and Dan Williams is a great pick. Want to improve our pass defense? Get a big ugly who commands double teams and then both of your ILB's can be speed/coverage 1st.

I might trade one of your LB's for the CB/FS prospect from UIP (Awasoma sp). That way we would not be one injury away from "money" :) mike adams or the dude of the street we brought in at safety when Ware went down.
 

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I like your draft for the Cardinals. As for the first round itself, it seemed kind of like every team did the smart thing. I personally think the Rams will take Bradford even though it is a bad idea, simply because teams hate investing #1 money in any other position than QB. Also, if Bradford and Clausen are there at #4 I have a hard time believing the 'skins don't draft one. Finally, I don't see Clausen sliding all the way to #30. Someone will start trying to trade up for him if he lasts until 15.

Overall a well though out draft. 4 and a half stars.

Which is why fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you want to look at, this is unlikely to happen. We'll be soon at the time for "paralysis by analysis" where a whole bunch of players will move up and down some draft boards for no real reason. Then you add the workout warriors, team reaching purely for need (thankfully we're not in this group anymore), players dropping due to character issues (happens every year), etc

K9 did a great job on what should happen but it probably won't
 
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Absolutely no way Clausen falls out of the top 10. At the very least, the Jags will take him.

Garrard's on a $60 million contract extension through 2014. Jack Del Rio is playing on the last year of his contract. Their GM, Gene Smith, is one of the guys who negotiated Garrard's extension.

People want to force the Jags to draft a QB, but Garrard is actually a pretty solid player that you can win with. It wasn't his fault he had no one to through the ball to. Garrard managed to make Ernest Wilford look like an NFL player.
 
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I don't like the Cards using their first round pick on DT who is pretty much one dimensional. That type of DT can be found later in the draft. I'd rather the Cards go after a player with rare athletic ability and solid college production with that pick.

I think Gibson will be long gone by our third round pick.
 
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I don't like the Cards using their first round pick on DT who is pretty much one dimensional. That type of DT can be found later in the draft. I'd rather the Cards go after a player with rare athletic ability and solid college production with that pick.

I think Gibson will be long gone by our third round pick.

In the past, I'd agree with you, but those types of players--good NTs--AREN'T found later in the draft. Fat guys are, but look at the NTs who were franchised, and they're largely first-round picks.
 

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Love it.

Top to bottom.

I am all for taking a chance on Sean Lee too.
 

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I like the Cards draft. Thaddeus Gibson probably helped himself as much as anyone at the combine. He was very athletic and explosive. I'm starting to think the biggest lock in the draft is that somehow Sean Lee is a Cardinal next year, and that's a good thing.
 

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